Site of Jesus' First Miracle Said to Be Found

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Among the roots of ancient olive trees, archaeologists have found pieces of large stone jars of the type the Gospel says Jesus used when he turned water into wine at a Jewish wedding in the Galilee village of Cana.

They believe these could have been the same kind of vessels the Bible says Jesus used in his first miracle, and that the site where they were found could be the location of biblical Cana. But Bible scholars caution it'll be hard to obtain conclusive proof - especially since experts disagree on exactly where Cana was located.

Christian theologians attach great significance to the water-to-wine miracle at Cana. The act was not only Jesus' first miracle, but it also came at a crucial point in the early days of his public ministry - when his reputation was growing, he had just selected his disciples and was under pressure to demonstrate his divinity.

The shards were found during a salvage dig in modern-day Cana, between Nazareth and Capernaum. Israeli archaeologist Yardena Alexander believes the Arab town was built near the ancient village. The jar pieces date to the Roman period, when Jesus traveled in the Galilee.

"All indications from the archaeological excavations suggest that the site of the wedding was (modern-day) Cana, the site that we have been investigating," said Alexander, as she cleaned the site of mud from winter rains.

However, American archaeologists excavating a rival site several miles to the north have also found pieces of stone jars from the time of Jesus, and believe they have found biblical Cana.

Another expert, archaeologist Shimon Gibson, cast doubt on the find at modern Cana, since such vessels are not rare and it would be impossible to link a particular set of vessels to the miracle.

"Just the existence of stone vessels is not enough to prove that this is a biblical site," and more excavations are needed, he said.

full article may be found here: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041221/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_jesus_miracle_1

[leftofcool]

1. How convenient!!!!!!!!!!

eom

[JohnOneillsMemory]

44. Psy ops tactic: Eliminate science (evidence) in favor of blind faith.

All these religious articles coming at us are weaponized to keep running that psy-ops 'moral values' football down the field of public opinion based on emotion over reason.

The press propaganda campaign about religion is moving us towards fascist theocracy. The goal is to equate Bush* with God's Choice for President and bring back the old abusive Divine Right of Kings that the American Revolution rejected 228 years ago.

Inflaming the New Crusades to occupy the middle eastern oil spigot is also needs lots of propaganda help.

Refuting science (called EVIDENCE) serves the fascist tactic of hiding their war crimes against humanity and the environment.

Criminals don't like the reality-based world of indictments and convictions, and sentencing. They prefer faith-based thinking where the ignorant and naive have faith that ‘authorities’ will do the right thing.

Rather then on acting on the strength of their convictions, they try to avoid being convicted.

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."-Edward Murrow

"Let us prey."-Theocratic Fascists in the White House today.

[Just Me]

54. I'll have to tuck that "let us prey" one away,...

,...it would make a fabulous bumper sticker. I'll remember the "nation of sheep begetting a government of wolves" one, too!!

Those are both very impactful!!!

[GOPBasher]

106. "moving us towards fascist theocracy"

Amen to that! This Christian wants a strict separation of church and state. And the intergration of religion and government affairs is by far the scariest thing about this administration to me.

[StopDiggingTheHole]

113. Is there a chance they have been sitting on these artifacts?

And waited until now to introduce them?

[Jesus H. Christ]

2. Good Lord, there's a stretch.

Hey, a seashell on dry land! It must be from the Flood!

[hlthe2b]

16. yes... grasping at straws it would seem...

[InvisibleBallots]

53. no different than the lax standards of "secular history"

Hell, if you can make up an entire history based on writings from the 1300s and call it "history" - why not this?

If Christians are to be held up to a rigorous standard of history - why not everyone else too? :)

http://www.revisedhistory.org

[Jesus H. Christ]

60. "no different" my ass.

Where are you getting the idea that modern secular history is based on writings from the 1300s and that criticism of the assumption that 2000 year old Israeli potshards were the water-to-wine jugs of Jesus is in anyway a "rigorous standard."

[NYC]

72. So? Were those your wine jars or not?

Just tell us, and the question will be answered.

[MADem]

73. Now THAT was funny!!! n/t

[devinsgram]

105. Yeah, I found some too!

Wow, that Noah must have been all over the place.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. This sounds like complete conjecture

[Maddy McCall]

84. Absolutely. Any true archaeologist would NEVER make such...

leaps of faith.

This is the end result of religion coopting science. BAD science.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

86. No this is just straight superstitious religion. Nothing scientific about

it.

[ET Awful]

4. Can I just take this opportunity to say . . . . .

WHAT A LOAD OF HORSESHIT!!!!!!!

Hey, I found an empty tomb . . . it's proof that Lazarus was raised from the dead, after all it's a tomb, and it's empty.

[Walt Starr]

6. You forgot the most important piece of evidence

It's in the "holy land".

[ET Awful]

11. Yeah, so is the toilet at the Mama Mia restaurant in Jerusalem . . .

That doesn't mean Christ shat there. :evilgrin:

(and I've never been to the restaurant, I just did a search for any Jerusalem restaurant as an example :))

[MAlibdem]

38. no, that part is pretty essential

shitting on these archeologists is fine, but the attack on them should be about their leap of logic in that any containers found with olive trees are the same ones Jesus used, not that they are in the place (roughly speaking) they are supposed to be...

[Walt Starr]

42. Oh come on!

Finding shards of pottery in Israel is no sort of evidence to support a literal reading of new testament text.

Finding shards of pottery in Baghdad is no sort of evidence to support a literal reading of Gilgamesh, either.

[htuttle]

5. Dinner Check from Last Supper Found

He had fish!

[0007]

9. Hilarious!

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

12. Good one!!! nt

[olddad56]

26. and one of the dinner rolls bore the image of Willie Nelson.

[olddad56]

28. Where does Dubya fit in, isn't he one of Jesus's miracles?

[renaissanceguy]

76. His sheep will probably soon believe he IS Jesus.

Meet Jesus W. Bush!! http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/454055

[saskatoon]

116. order

That was prime humor---loved it.

[maxsolomon]

7. yahoo said it i believe it that settles it

jesus' divinity PROVED once again, haters!

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

8. Blah, blah, blah. Any REAL scientific proof of 'miracles' here...no. n

[phasev]

10. that's just dumb

Complete horseshit!! It's really interesting how they are just finding all these supposed archaeological sites to try to prove the validity of the Bible mythologies. First it was the tomb of James and now this. Remember when the shroud of turin was debunked? They hired some quack scientists to try to claim that the shroud was real. Christians are just figuring out about fabricating scientific data to prove their myths.

[LibertyLover]

24. Data and Christians

If you have never done so, read Biblical Archaeology magazine. You may need to go through a couple of back issues, but not too many. I refer to the "Cancel My Subscription" letters. A few years ago they even published a small book with some of the better ones in it called "Cancel My Subscription". Anyway, the letters are usually written by Bible literalists who are taking extreme umbrage with an article in the last issue because it - gasp - questions the inerrancy of the Bible. Some have even written in to cancel because an author uses the terms CE (Common Era) and BCE (Before Common Era) instead of AD and BC. Others take the magazine to task for not offering articles that "prove" the Bible, since they have "Biblical" in their title. Talk about needing science to prove their myths.

[phylny]

47. This Christian (me!) doesn't need any "proof" to support my beliefs.

It's ridiculous to say that they've "found" anything conclusively, but to me, just as ridiculous to say that I, or many other Christians, need to fabricate a thing to prove our faith or beliefs.

[prodigal_green]

79. scientists are trying to tie anything into theocratic views

to obtain funding.

If biologists find the "God gene" then they'll get funding. Otherwise they're cut off.

[RandomKoolzip]

89. Thank you for bringing that up....

that's the missing piece here: now that we have theocratic fascists running things, scientists who don't want to get their funding cut are going to start having to bend their findings to fit a religious agenda.

Under Reagan's "Defense Spending Before Welfare" administration, scientists were forced to abandon projects that may have bettered humanity, like alternative fuel sources and other sustainable-system research, in favor of making and promoting stuff that would kill little brown people or else big Daddy Warbucks would slash their budgets. Same shit, except now they're forced to come up with shit that pleases Pastor Chimp.

[Ladyhawk]

13. You mean they didn't clean up after the wedding after all this time????

Geez, and I thought I was messy.

[ET Awful]

Mary had business elsewhere, she didn't have time to clean up :) n/t

[olddad56]

57. They were too buzzed on the wine to clean up the mess...

They had a lot of water, so Jesus made a lot of wine.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

14. Good googely woogely! 2000 year old pottery shards in the ME!

I also have some golden plates with some strange inscriptions that I'll be selling on Ebay latter in the month.

[Charlie Brown]

15. Large stone jars? It's got to be from the Bible!

There were probably jars like these in Babylon, India, Greece, China, and Japan around the same time. Does that mean Jesus visited all these places and turned water into wine?

[KenCarson]

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[Walt Starr]

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[KenCarson]

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[KansDem]

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[Placebo]

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[KansDem]

45. It does tend to elevate the ol' "fight or flight" instinct...

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[okasha]

46. Why do these religious righties

always look as if they're in pain when they're "praying?" The nuns I went to school with stressed that this should be a joyful experience--sometimes solemn, true, but still joyful.

Okasha

[SpecialK84]

62. As scary as the idea of that picture ...

I have to admit the actual drawing is pretty good. Ugly characters, no doubt, but the detailing is very accurate ... the hair and wrinkles .. it really looks just like the Bushes.

[daleo]

90. George Senior looks like he is about to chortle about the whole thing

George Junior looks like a little kid, trying so hard to really get this praying thing to work. I don't know if this was the artist's intent, but that's the effect I get.

[KenCarson]

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[renaissanceguy]

77. Jesus W. Bush

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[matcom]

19. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

if Jesus were able to do that, we all KNOW he would have turned the water into Single Malt Scotch! :eyes:

is there something happening this week that MIGHT make this "news"?

:shrug: :eyes:

[LibertyLover]

20. The miracle at Cana

Years ago I was in Israel and the tour went to the Franciscan church at Cana which is supposed to have been built on the site of the wedding feast. As a way to increase revenue, they sold wine. I bought a couple of bottles and gave them as a gift to friends of mine. To say that it was undrinkable may not have been entirely accurate since if you hadn't had anything to drink in 3 or 4 days you might have been tempted to at least moisten your mouth with it. But even though we were young and had pretty unsophisticated palates (Mateus rose was our idea of a decent wine), we couldn't bring ourselves to finish our glasses, let alone the bottle. I always laugh when I read about the miracle at Cana because I remember how bad the wine I got from there was.

[ChrisK]

21. Don't people write from what they know?

It's not like the town can't exist...The folks back then wrote stories based on what they were familiar with, it's not too far of a stretch for there to have been a wedding and for the pots to be there, not real news for them to find pottery shards.

What I always found odd...why was the Middle East the ONLY place that seemed to have any "Holy Action" going on when,last I checked, the world is a pretty large place..was no other culture advanced enough to understand the words of god?..Just wondering.

[madinmaryland]

23. Sounds like something they were showing on the

History Channel the other night. They had a crypt with "jesus brother james" written on it and tried to say it was Jesus' brother James' crypt. Sounded like a stretch to me.

[clidaw]

51. The James Ossuary was a fraud.

Some dealer in antiquities produced the thing. I think he's in jail in Isreal now for it. It would figure the "History" Channel wouldn't include that bit of information. They are to history what GW is to statesmanship.

[joefree1]

81. Should have seen the episode on Public TV

The dealer was caught with a friggin workshop in his apartment.


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[proud2BlibKansan]

71. freepers talk about The History Channel

a lot. They must think that everything they see on there is 100% true.

On edit, which media conglomerate owns The History Channel?

[reprobate]

117. History channel owned by Disney/ABC

[daleo]

41. There seems to be the notion that God is a real estate agent

Weirdly fixated on a strip of land along the Mediterranean shore. The rest of the universe is just a big distraction.

[dicknbush]

25. I Thought the first Miracle was in Mary's womb...

When she got everyone to believe that she wasn't shagging the local son of a preacher man.

[Walt Starr]

27. First miracle was Mary's conception

which occurred in the absence of sin.

[countryjake]

50. Jesus' first Miracle is what they're talking about, you heathen dopes...

which would be getting out of his mother without breaking her Hymen!

[The Sushi Bandit]

29. I though we could only post 3 paragraphs??!!

PS... what a load of crap!!

Jesus = santa = easter bunny = bush telling the truth

[olddad56]

30. I believe in the first three, just not 'Bush telling the truth' part.

[CoffeeCat]

31. My guess...

is that the jars truly are historical--but that this is really the ancient ruins of the first Pottery Barn.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

48. LOL!

You broke it - you bought it!

[CoffeeCat]

59. LOL...can you put that on my Mastercard?

-One first class airline ticket to Nazareth: $2,000
-One pair of Birkinstocks for comfortable strolling in Cana: $85
-The look on the gift-shop owner's face when you accidentally shatter the stone jar that held Jesus' water-turned-to-wine: Priceless

[olddad56]

67. Wasn't Jesus born in a manger in a Pottery Barn.

[Merlin]

34. Right. One for the Father. One for the Son. One for Karl. n/t

.

[MatrixEscape]

33. Oh darn,

I thought they invented a "wayback" machine when I read the thread title ;)

It ranges from vulgar misunderstandings on the part of the psuedo-Christains to throwing the baby out with the bathwater by others. The exclusivity implied in the myth comes from the fact that the common adherents of the Faith distort the premise into service of the very thing, (or state) the process implies.

The esoteric, (and largely ignored) aspects of the Jesus Myth are nearly Universal. That really should be a great source for anyone who wants a hint of insight or even something deeper. Most of the rest is subject to who was writing, editing, forging, and politically revising the books. Then there are the ignorant interpretations by self-styled preachers. Not to mention all the books that were tossed. Ah, the forest for the trees!

I love todays "faithful". They still hunger for their concrete, Christ candy and are like moths to any faddish flickers of proof. To bad they just can't seem to grapple with the exoteric insecurity implied by faith itself or delve into what it means in a transcendent sense. Their egos are their worst enemies, in that sense.

Such a waste! Such an endless source of mundane distortions and ensuing persecutions of others just to avoid the real point of the message.

[daleo]

43. The Pagan Christ is said to be an interesting book

By Tom Harpur (I think I spelled it right), a Canadian theologian. He traces the similarities of various strands of ancient thought to the Christian story of Christ. He still considers himself a Christian, but not one that is hung up on literalism in any sense. You might have to order it from Amazon or Chapters.

I won't get to read it until after Christmas, though.

[SidDithers]

88. Harpur also writes good columns for the Toronto Star..

I'll have to pick up the book in the new year.

Sid

[daleo]

94. His book "Life After Death" is also a good read

It is quite ecumenical, reviewing the theories of major current and historical religions, as well as some of the non-religious thinking on the subject. I read it about 5 years ago - it was probably first published in the mid 90's or so. He is an interesting writer.

[booksenkatz]

35. I've experienced some chardonnays that tasted as if

someone back in the kitchen turned water into wine... the easy way. Ptooey. No "miracle wine" for me, thanks anyway, Jesus.

[Beetwasher]

37. Pffft! Water Into Wine! Even I Can Do THAT!!!

Amateur...

[Merlin]

39. I asked if I could eat his body with some fava beans and a nice chianti...

...but all I got was this damn little wafer and some lousy Thunderbird.

[Malva Zebrina]

40. I think those stone jars are found all over the place.

What else did they have to store wine in?

[Dead_Parrot]

49. WOW! I'm gonna convert

That's proof enough for me!

:boring:

[VegasWolf]

52. C'mon now, nobody would really believe this shit would they. n/t

[Atman]

55. Bush IS Son O' God II!

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[zann725]

56. "Site of First miracle?" The first 'rising' of Shrub as President?

(with the behind-the-curtain help of Diebold, Katherine H., Jeb and of course, Kkkarl)!

[stlsaxman]

58. Will someone clear up a question I have...

about the timeline posed in this article. I always thought Jesus was about twelve years old at the wedding party. He was being pressured by his mom 'cause she was either too poor to buy or just forgot to buy the wine... either way she turns to the twelve-year-old and says "C'mon, Jesus- I know you can do it... turn this water into some o' that good thang!" To wit he kept sayin' "Mother- my time has not yet come.." or whatever.....

Now we get THIS from the scholar who wrote this article-

"The act was not only Jesus' first miracle, but it also came at a crucial point in the early days of his public ministry - when his reputation was growing, he had just selected his disciples and was under pressure to demonstrate his divinity.

-Just selected his disciples???? I always thought he did that when he was 30 or so...

So the question is- how old was Jesus at the wedding party?

[bklyncowgirl]

66. If I remember my religion class correctly

This was right before Jesus began his public ministry. He was probably about 30 years old at the time. I've always liked this story because it seems so human. Hey look, your mother is your mother even if you are the son of God.

Also it shows that Jesus, despite what some members of his fan club would like us to think, was not opposed to people having a good time. Come to think of it he was apparently not opposed to having everyone at the wedding getting totally shitfaced.

Good for Jesus. Like I've always said. I love Jesus. I just have problems with his fan club.

Incidently, these big stone jars were real common in the area at the time and the fact that pieces of them were found at a site would not indicate much of anything. They were used mainly for water because the condensation kept it cool. Unless they happen to find a fairly contemporary inscription indicating that this is Cana, they are not proving much of anything.

[haele]

74. If he was responsible for the refreshments at the wedding party...

He was most likely the groom. If his mother was there as has been indicated in some accounts I've heard, it was even more likely he was the groom instead of just an honored guest. Or so tradition in that area goes.
BTW, he was supposedly around 30 when he was at the wedding.

Somehow, they never seem to talk about why he was at the wedding in Cana, do they?

Anyway, back to the article - the whole area was settled during the Biblical area and afterwards, and there were already indications that there was some sort of settlement at that location - it would be strange indeed if there were no water jars found that came from the period of time Jesus was supposed to have been there. Why bring up his name unless there's something that verifies his existence at that site? A perfectly preserved sandal with anointing oil still fresh on it; a bit of table with "Jesus (hearts) Mary" carved on it in Aramaic or something like that?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but c'mon. It's archeology, not "namedropping throughout history".

Haele

[DemBones DemBones]

96. That's a pretty big leap you just made. There's nothing to

suggest that Jesus was "responsible" for the refreshments at the wedding at Cana. His mother, Mary, asked him to do something when the hosts ran out of wine. He was annoyed that she asked him but then he performed the miracle.

I also think it's silly to suggest that there's anything unusual about a widow and her adult, unmarried son attending a wedding together. If women only attended weddings of their own sons, attendance at weddings would be kind of sparse.

[yorkiemommie1]

61. i can turn wine into water n/t

[VegasWolf]

64. Me too, just before bedtime. n/t

[VegasWolf]

63. Hey, i found an ancient stone shard here in the desert. I feel righteous!

[VegasWolf]

65. bush can turn money into shit! that's even better. n/t

[prodigal_green]

80. He's a reverse King Midas

everything that was golden about America has turned to shit by his touch.

[leesa]

69. oh. who cares!

[Politicub]

70. Another site of a Jesus miracle, a more well known one

Is at Barbara "My Beautiful Mind" Bush's twat. It is from this site that a real, live disembodied asshole emerged.

[VegasWolf]

75. There's my kinda god, one that makes booze for the people. n/t

[kodi]

78. "Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!"

<Brian> "What? Well what sort of chance does that give me? All right, I AM the Messiah."

<Followers> "He IS! He IS the Messiah!"

.....They prostrate themselves in front of him.....

<Brian> "Now fuck off!"

<Followers> "How shall we fuck off oh lord?"

<Brian> "Oh just go away. Leave me alone."

[JMS825]

82. We need another Miracle

Jesus performed miracles and he even saved the soul of a hooker....you would think he could do something about Bush

[Placebo]

87. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[AmerDem]

83. and in a related story

scientist found the petrified remains of human dung they feel could have belonged to Jesus. On further analysis they found the composition to made of Chicken McNuggets and considering Chicken McNuggets weren't noted for that period religious scholars are attributing it to a miracle!

[Skittles]

85. people can be made to believe anything

explains why GWB is even considered a viable candidate

[Placebo]

91. Exactly.

[Chicago Democrat]

92. Site of my ass said to be found!

;)

[onager]

95. Biblical Archeology Mag. is great...an atheist endorsement!

A few years ago, the magazine was selling small reproductions of ancient Babylonian idols.

This brought a flood of hate mail from outraged Fundies.

The next month, BAM ran the same ad with a huge warning label in bright red: "WARNING: Idols are not to be worshipped. For entertainment purposes only."

I LMAO at that one. And every month, they get letters from Fundies demanding that they go out and look for stuff like The Garden Of Eden...which they should preferably find complete with a snake-skin, an apple core, and two fig leaves.

I'm an atheist and read Biblical Archeology Magazine...well, not religiously, but pretty damn often.

[Placebo]

97. "--complete with a snake-skin...

...an apple core, and two fig leaves."

HA! Thanks for giving me one HELL of a laugh. :D

[Ediacara]

93. Good God....

They've found some very very very common pottery fragments and that means they MUST be the water jugs held by Jesus.... The rest of archaeology must be crying that these bafoons get media attention and real science gets nothing...

[DemBones DemBones]

98. Mention the name of Jesus here and you get scorn, derision, even

blasphemy.

But not much reading comprehension.


"Based on the shards, Alexander believes the vessels found at her site were 12 to 16 inches in diameter — or large enough to be the same type of jars described in the Gospel of John."

"Other evidence that might link the site to the biblical account includes the presence of a Jewish ritual bath at the house, which shows it was a Jewish community. Locally produced pottery was used at the simple house, showing it could have been from the poor village described in the Scriptures."


The article also specifies that the jar shards themselves have been dated to the time of the Roman Empire, when Jesus lived there, and that there is ample evidence that the village dates back to the first century.

The article also details the controversial nature of the claims about this particular site and the shards of ancient jars. Skepticism about this discovery is fine, I'm skeptical myself that they can prove any site is the real one. What bothers me is that I know DUers would be less vitriolic if there were an article about a site that archeologists believed was the actual place where the Prophet Muhammad once lived, or once attended a wedding.

[Behind the Aegis]

100. AMEN! (heehee)

I have been raving to my partner about how little reading COMPREHENSION goes on here! It is usually the start of some REALLY stupid flamefests!

[Nihil]

102. Hey, people are letting "you" off lightly today ...

> What bothers me is that I know DUers would be less vitriolic if there
> were an article about a site that archeologists believed was the
> actual place where the Prophet Muhammad once lived, or once attended
> a wedding.

So far, the most obvious question seems to have been left alone:

Why do people question these particular jar shards whilst blindly
accepting the statement that Jesus performed ANY miracles (much less
a quick bit of wine provision at a wedding)?

If DU was as unfriendly as you pretend, people wouldn't just be poking
holes in the posturing of archeologists trying to get extra funding
but would be poking holes in your religious beliefs.

Believe what you will but please don't start playing the victim card.

[StopDiggingTheHole]

114. The victim card

Who are we as victims of voting fraud that cost Kerry the election to demand others with their own plights within victim hood to not be what they are?

[jaysunb]

99. I'll trade a bottle of

Joseph Phelps Ensignia Merlot (1998) for a pot of that stuff.
i just hope it doesn't turn out to be just plain old Morgan David...
argh ! :evilgrin:

[Placebo]

101. Me too!

O8)

[chemp]

103. bullshit

utter speculation draped in wishful thinking.

[Chovexani]

104. Man this sounds like something on Snopes

Right up there with the Siberian oil workers that drilled straight into hell...

Alexander believes that with more substantial investment, the site could became a major tourist attraction and pilgrimage destination.

I should have seen that one coming. Maybe they'll sell the rights to the site to the highest corporate bidder and turn it into a cheesy theme park ride.

Bacardi Presents: Extreme Cana!

[DFWJock]

107. This just in....

Halliburton to develop theme park at the sight of the find.

[pompano]

108. YUP!

I heard of some ol’ hillbillies back in northern Alabama that used to turn corn into whiskey. They never were called miracle workers or prophets. Nope! They always called skeeter and mullet “moonshiners”. They didn’t haul it in shards either. A milk jug and a Chevelle with a boared out .396 “big block” kinda did the trick.

end sarcasm/

[Pert_UK]

109. My......hairy.......arse..................n/t

[Placebo]

111. What about your ass?

;)

[TrogL]

110. The Middle East is littered with broken potshards

Linking any of them to anybody is nearly impossible

[Massachusetts]

112. Breaking......

A faded inscription on the jar was deciphered as saying Annie Green Springs Apple Wine..........Party on Dudes!O8)

[Amigust]

115. How they like to grasp at straws to try to prop up their world view. n/t