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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:14 PM
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Gay student forced to leave school
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/122104dnmettrinitygay.1402e.html

Three weeks ago an 18-year-old honor student at Trinity Christian Academy was cruising toward graduation. He had already been accepted to a prestigious university, and the final months of high school seemed a mere formality.

But when the school's top administrators learned that the student had created a Web site where teens chat about homosexuality, he said they gave him a choice: either leave quietly or face expulsion for "immoral behavior," which is prohibited by the school's code of conduct.

In a matter of days, the student, who is gay, went from prized student to sinner outcast. Today, the student attends high school in Plano, and students, teachers and administrators at Trinity Christian are left debating whether forcing the withdrawal of a popular lifelong student was the "Christian" thing to do. The case also shines a light on the moral culture clash with which private fundamentalist schools are increasingly wrestling.

Headmaster David Delph issued a general statement about the school's discipline policy. "As a community of Christian families we also believe the Bible provides insight to help us discern God's desire for our conduct," the statement reads in part. "Therefore we demand high Biblical standards of behavior from our students both academically and socially. Our families are asked to embrace these standards of conduct by signing a covenant with the school when students are admitted. Within this framework of Biblical standards and academic rigor, an atmosphere of enhanced learning, character development, and love are allowed to flourish."
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Daily Kos has more info, if you don't want to register on DMN to read the whole article.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/14/25238/046

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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:16 PM
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1. Well if it's a private school...
there is little that can be done. Sadly.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #1
34. Fuck this libertarian shit
That kind of discrimination is wrong. No matter if it's black, jew or gay.

He did nothing wrong. They expelled him to punish him - to try and keep their students' precious bodily fluids pure.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:49 PM
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83. I think it's great.
Maybe this kid will figure out how fucked up the shit he has been learning at that place is.

Sorry but we should let the idiots soil themselves in public with this kind of stuff. Maybe when they finally burn a witch we will start to see the sheeple start rejecting the fundie shit.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:59 PM
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53. They are exempt from taxes, as are all Jesus schools
Why should we that don't believe in the Jesus stuff be forced to subsidize religious schools that teach hatred, intolerance, homophobia, misogyny, jingoism, racism, etc?
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #53
82. are orthodox Jewish schools also exempt from taxes?
Are orthodox Jewish schools allowed to expell students for this sort of thing?
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #82
86. ??? maybe, if it's a private school and that's part of their code
of conduct.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #82
90. Churches, synagogues, mosques, etc., should all pay taxes
Churches, synagogues, mosques, etc., should all pay taxes, including their religious schools and their "not-for-profit" enterprises. The State should not play a role in subsidizing any religion, which is what happens when the tax burden that should have been paid by religious entities is shifted to the general public.

Lenin was quite emphatic about this:

Religion must be declared a private affair. In these words socialists usually express their attitude towards religion. But the meaning of these words should be accurately defined to prevent any misunderstanding. We demand that religion be held a private affair so far as the state is concerned. But by no means can we consider religion a private affair so far as our Party is concerned. Religion must be of no concern to the state, and religious societies must have no connection with governmental authority. Everyone must be absolutely free to profess any religion he pleases, or no religion whatever, i.e., to be an atheist, which every socialist is, as a rule. Discrimination among citizens on account of their religious convictions is wholly intolerable. Even the bare mention of a citizen’s religion in official documents should unquestionably be eliminated. No subsidies should be granted to the established church nor state allowances made to ecclesiastical and religious societies. These should become absolutely free associations of like-minded citizens, associations independent of the state. Only the complete fulfillment of these demands can put an end to the shameful and accursed past when the church lived in feudal dependence on the state, and Russian citizens lived in feudal dependence on the established church, when medieval, inquisitorial laws (to this day remaining in our criminal codes and on our statute-books) were in existence and were applied, persecuting men for their belief or disbelief, violating men’s consciences, and linking cozy government jobs and government-derived incomes with the dispensation of this or that dope by the established church. Complete separation of Church and State is what the socialist proletariat demands of the modern state and the modern church.

V. I. Lenin
Socialism and Religion (1905)


http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:17 PM
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2. Bet they did not refund his parent money.
Grrrr
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:17 PM
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3. change "gay" to "black" or "jew" and there would be an outrage.
Where is it?
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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. The school administrators may be surprised about who is going to hell.
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mdhunter Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:26 PM
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11. Sadly, I predict they won't find out in time.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:41 PM
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32. They'll have a lot of time to think about their mistakes...
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:09 PM
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35. I'm puting Headmaster David Delph on notice.
The allegations that Jesus was bi or homosexual are rampant. If found to be true, will Delph expel all the hetero students for immorality?
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 06:44 AM
Response to Reply #35
63. Oh bullcrap
Those "allegations" are all PR for gay groups trying to stick a thumb in the eye of people who don't like them.

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 06:51 AM
Response to Reply #63
65. But you know this to be explicitly untrue?
Were you there (in 30 AD)? :shrug:
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #65
69. I know the Bible
There is nothing there about Christ's sexuality. Nada. Nicht.

You can and will choose to believe whatever propaganda you wish.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:30 AM
Response to Reply #69
70. You mean the Bible written hundreds of years after the fact?
Not to mention, written by mortals with their own agenda(s)...
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #70
84. Don't bring that stuff up.
If you ask them to discuss the historical context of the bible and who wrote it most people cannot do it. Most people just assume the bible was actually the written word of god.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #70
91. It is a nice piece of fiction, isn't it? Kinda like Harry Potter.. n/t
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StuckinKS Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #63
96. Surprise!
So...you don't like us, Alicia?
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #63
102. "people who don't like them"
So I assume since you are one of "those people" you don't like gays?

Your stripes become more and more apparent.

RL
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:19 PM
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4. Private schools can discriminate, but keep my tax $ out of those places
I don't have to fund their bigotry through school vouchers.
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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #4
17. Church school property
usually pays no property taxes the same as their churches. Multi million dollar properties and businesses, (schools are a source of church income) owned by churches are not taxed at all. How much does one have to pay on moderate house and lot in the same neighborhood?
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. Right On.
This is one reason why I am against school vouchers.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
41. yup.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:20 PM
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5. The christian thing to do?
Bigotry, hatred, forced expulsion, silence of speech. Yep, sounds pretty christian fundie to me.
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:21 PM
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7. Private schools general have a code of conduct for all students.
If you don't want to abide by the code of conduct, don't go. Private schools are private for a reason, some religious, some not, but all have guidelines that must be followed. I have no objection to a christian school enforcing its rules just as a gay-friendly private school enforcing a rule against gay bashing.
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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Yea, but this student was probably forced to go to that school...
by his parents. He probably didn't have a choice.
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #10
21. Then dis the parents, not the school. n/t
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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. As if the parents knew their kid was gay...
It seems to me that there should be some kind of consumer protection. This isn't a church- These people paid for a service and it was denied for reasons beyond their control.
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #21
78. if you read the article on kos
you will discover that the headmaster OUTED the student to his parents.

so.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #21
85. I would say dis the parents and the school.
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 07:01 PM by Sterling
The parents should be charged with child abuse for sending their son to a bigoted institution for an "education".
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. Then they should return his tuition..if they are so principled
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #13
22. Most private schools state up front that once you sign the dotted ...
... line you owe the whole year's tuition regardless.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. Contracts with minors are unenforcable
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. Minor doesn't pay, the parents do. And the contract is binding.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #36
46. Oh I see. And the parents can control whether their child is gay.
Any other religious bigotry you'd care to defend? Jesus loves a good bigot, right?
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. Exactly.
As a private institution, they are free to write bigotry into their code of conduct. But if they were so fucking principled, why would they want to keep his money?

Typical...
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #7
20. Private schools should have to abide by rules of non-discrimination
They should NOT be able to kick a student out if his behavior isn't hurting anyone else. The school itself is debating whether or not it was the right thing to do. It wasn't, and his CIVIL rights are being violated.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. Well, the law is such that...
private institutions are allowed to set their own rules and regulations and the government pretty much has to stay out of their business.

That's why private country clubs and such can choose not to allow women, or minorities.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #24
37. BUT
if that private school has EVER accepted any federal funding, they are bound by federal anti-discrimination regs. Many private schools get federal grants. When they accept those grants, even if they are just for a few library books, the school must abide by federal regs.
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. That's why many refuse federal dollars
So they don't have to accept federal rules.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #45
50. But many do, hot lunch programs, library etc. They just don't let anyone
else know. Time to look into this school. Federal money is easier to get than state money.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #45
55. You are right
and a lot of private scholls oppose vouchers for the same reason.
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AliciaKeyedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 06:45 AM
Response to Reply #55
64. I think the voucher plans are designed to avoid that
They go to the families. The families then get to dispense the money.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #24
87. Say WHAT?
Private country clubs can openly refuse to accept blacks?

In the US of A?

Are you SURE?
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #7
27. So why aren't ALL students being asked to leave?
No other students violating that Code of "Ethics"? I'm sure there aren't any kids at that school who've used foul language, had premarital sex, or ingested tobacco or alcohol, right? :eyes:


You are probably correct. Absent some sort of government funding, they are probably within their rights to discriminate. Just as I am within my rights to call them self-righteous holier than thou Bible thumping hypocrits.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #7
33. It makes no sense to talk about a
"gay-friendly private school" enforcing a rule against gay bashing, since gay bashing is illegal. You'll have to come up with a better example than that.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #33
39. Haven't heard where gay bashing is illegal.
In fact, most hate crime legislation exempts gay bashing.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #7
89. USA law allows that? Well, I'm glad to say that, in Brazil...
...if a school tried to do that, they'd have the book thrown at them SO hard they'd have to be scrapped off the wall with a spatula.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #7
103. you sure you're to the left of conservatives?
your lack of tolerance alarms me.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:22 PM
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8. I've heard of teachers getting fired for "shacking up"
If you go to a private school you have to play by their rules. Did they at least give him a chance to take it down before kicking him out?
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:20 PM
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25. One got fired for affair...morality clause in contract
Not sure which one but a Dallas Christian school found out that their gym teacher was having an affair and fired him, citing the morality clause in his teacher contract.
The person he had had an affair with: the Neonatal ICU nurse at my hospital....his wife had delivered quadruplets, they ended up in the unit. The teacher/hubby and nurse started flirting, it escalated, he left his wife for the nurse...the school found out and tossed his ass. The hospital wouldn't fire the nurse til the wife threatened to call the local media.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:22 PM
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9. not a very Christain thing to do IMHO
who are they to Judge others ?
I don't think I'll ever understand it .
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:28 PM
Response to Original message
12. I keep scouring the New Testament
for passages where Christ talked about how horrible homosexuality is. Darn thing is , I can't find any! :shrug:
/sarcasm/satire/smart ass remarks off/
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:30 PM
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14. hate the sin; love the sinner
and nothing expresses that love better than hurling rocks and insults.
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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. And nothing expresses that love better than...
accusing them of sin for the way they were born.
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StuckinKS Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #14
97. Exactly...
That's why I say, "Love the Christian, hate the Christianity."
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:38 PM
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16. It's a very Christian thing to do
It's the opposite of what Christ would have done, but what does Christ have to do with Christianity these days? They booted him out of the religion after the sixties in a corporate controlled hostile takeover.

There's a famous mandate during the Middle Ages where a bishop ordered his priests to not preach too much on Jesus, since his words could sometimes be subversive, but to concentrate instead on Paul, who was more representative of Christianity than Christ.
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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:48 PM
Response to Original message
18. Do children of divorced --
parents attend this or other Xtian academies with such strict "gods conduct codes" yet "love is allowed to flourish"?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:35 PM
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29. Yeah, I can really feel the love flourishing.
:eyes:

Fucking hypocritical "Old Testament Christians"! I wonder how many teachers the Headmaster has had affairs with? Maybe he molests 'selected' students? Whenever I see this obscene degree of self-righteous crap, I know the maggots are swarming just under the lids.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:40 PM
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30. Heard that Jesus was bisexual, apparently it was extremely rare
for a mature Jewsih male to be unmarried in those days.
Didn't leonardo challenge Jesus's sexual orientation?
Does that mean Jesus would be expelled too?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:40 PM
Response to Original message
31. Ah, Nothing Like the Love of Jesus At Christmas As Expressed by Christians
Nothing.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:47 PM
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38. Bush/Fundamentalists are ingnoring the New Testament...
and discarding Christ's teachings.

That school needs to remove "Christian" from its title.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:53 PM
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40. Note how they slip the word "cruising" into the first sentence.
Writer must be so proud of that "clever" little bit. Asshole.

So, whatever happend to "judge not"?

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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:06 PM
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42. Bingo. Psy-ops framing. 'Cruising' = Preying = Luring the 'Innoncent'
While this story screams hetero-hypocrisy, it subliminally suggests that 'evil-doers' are recruiting amongst our sacred children.

This article is weaponized to keep running that psy-ops 'moral values' football down the field of public opinion. The press propaganda campaign obsessing on religion is intentionally moving us towards fascist theocracy.

The goal is to equate Bush* with God's Choice for President and bring back the old abusive Divine Right of Kings that the American Revolution rejected 228 years ago.

Refuting science (called EVIDENCE) serves the fascist's tactic of hiding their war crimes against humanity and the environment.

Criminals don't like the reality-based world of indictments and convictions, and sentencing. They prefer faith-based thinking where the ignorant and naive have faith that ‘authorities’ will do the right thing.

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."-Edward Murrow

"Let us prey."-Theocratic Fascists in the White House today.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #42
57. You're definitely on top of things, JOM. This is spot-on, again.
What really scares a bisexual like me is how some prominent fringe theofascists are pushing the "fag = terrorist" meme.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #40
61. Good catch!
Sleazy bigots!
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:41 PM
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43. It doesn't seem rational that a private school can set rules
that violate people's civil rights. Does this young man not have the right to freedom of speech? This is bullshit.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:34 PM
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88. Sure they can
They're private schools, so the Constitution is not the important law but contract law instead. Having gone to a private so-called Christian college (*cough, cough, Mount Vernon Nazarene College, cough, cough*), they drummed that into us--it was a contract, and we had to abide by all parts of the contract, especially the behavioral contract we signed every semester. Our college didn't kick gays out outright, they just made their lives a living hell until they left. Only one of my friends who was GLBT actually graduated, and it was a miracle she did. Those freakin' Nazis made her come out to all her friends, in addition to the college, supposedly to protect her. Bunch of crap. They also have a policy that tries to force GLBT students to go to counselling--to a guy who thinks he can cure it. Nothing makes me madder than remembering what's happened to good people, good friends of mine in the name of the faith.
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:41 PM
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44. It doesn't seem rational that a private school can set rules
that violate people's civil rights. Does this young man not have the right to freedom of speech? This is bullshit.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:12 PM
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47. Catholic school here has insane rules on pregnancy
If the girl is pregnant, she is expelled, never to return, but not the boy... he is welcome to stay. If the girl has an abortion, she is expelled and so is the boy since he didn't stop her. The only way to stay in this school if pregnant, is to have an abortion and not tell anyone....and so they do, duh!
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Traction Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:10 AM
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60. There is no state in the country where the male can stop the female
From having an abortion.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:16 PM
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48. What kind of God would force you to try to ruin a child's life?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:13 PM
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93. There's a great passage in the Bible.. that sums it up.
I'm paraphrasing, "anyone who says Lord, Lord, is not going to Heaven. But only those that do the work of the Lord. The others will have their reward". In other words.. just because these folks are screaming that they are the most "Christian" of them all, while they completely destroy this kid's life, they (according to their Owner's Manual, the Bible), are NOT going to heaven, because they are NOT being good, Christian people.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:08 PM
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95. Old or new?
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:19 PM
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49. I spit at you skumbags.
People like those administrators should be spit upon from dawn to dusk. I promote it.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:35 PM
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51. He was despised and rejected of men,
a man of sorrows and acquainted with
grief. (Isaiah 53:3)
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:56 PM
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52. Aside from the lunacy of this action, the trauma on this kid will horrific
and long-lasting.

As a gay man, I know how others like me are treated like dirt. I see the damage done to all of us cuz we're "gay" and "sinners".

Yes, it is difficult to be a "Christian" these days. But, somehow I still am.

The Lord only knows why.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:18 AM
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56. My stepson is
gay and I've never met a nicer couple than he and his partner. They are civic minded and as asset to their community. They are living a very Christian life.

This subject really burns me. Adultery is common but I hear of no movement to excommunicate discriminate, and humiliate adulterors. It is named in one of the 10 Commandments. Look at Kerik and Rudy, both adulterors, and they are idolazied by their party and recommended for promotion.

The right wingers are insane.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:13 PM
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92. I went to his site to leave him a message.
Subject: You, boy, are a winner. You shall overcome.

James. I look at your eyes (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/14/25238/046) and see a winner. Pathetic people have made a pathetic attempt at bringing you down, but I read your reaction and hear serenity, level-headedness and a will of iron. I wish with all strength in my heart that you find the inner peace to go on and flourish. You'll achieve things that will make your grief at losing a diploma from a bigoted school vanish into nothingness. I wish with even MORE strength that your family sees the Light and doesn't stop loving you the way you are.

I am a Brazilian straight man, married and father of two, the oldest being 8 yo. If they turn out to be half the human being you are I'll be the happiest father in the Universe.

Merry Christmas,
Commie Pinko Dirtbag
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:06 AM
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54. What the headmaster needs is a stiff dick in his ass.
P.S. He is the one that took the job as "headmaster", he should reflect on his moral values.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:50 AM
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58. oh, this pisses me off ....
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Traction Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:00 AM
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59. Not to agree with the decision but...
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 03:05 AM by Traction
It's a private Christian school. They teach homosexuality is wrong, so they have a right to throw him out. Likewise, a Jewish school may kick out a student who puts up a pro-PLO chat room. Don't fess to much over this one guys, we lost enough voters this year. I'm a lifetime Democrat, and I'll be the first to admit Democrats (Republicans too) have a lot of doublke standards. One one hand, they cheer the gay PUBLIC school in NYC, yet on the other they say a PRIVATE school can't do this. Likewise, some of the same people are the calling for Chile's Pinochet's head, while doing nothing about Cuba's Fidel Castro.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:25 AM
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67. no bigotry in your post, traction
nope, not much.:eyes:
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Traction Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:32 AM
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79. None at all
I just hate double standards. A public school doesn't let a girl wear a Confederate dress to her prom, and you guys are silent, yet a private school (which teaches that homosexuality is wrong) kicks out a gay student for hosting a gay chat room, and you guys are outraged. Where is the logic here? Come on guys, am I the only liberal with sanity here? If it was a public school I'd be the first one saying it was discrimination to the gay student. Likewise, if it was a private school for the girl, I'd say they have every right not to let her wear that prom dress.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 03:58 PM
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81. DUers were far from silent on that confederate flag dress
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Traction Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:28 PM
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94. You know what I meant by silent
I mean they didn't rush to her defense like they did with this kid.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:51 AM
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98. Not a good comparison at all
The confederate dress...she does have a right to wear something like that, unless it violates the dress code. The gay student dismissal...since it is a private school, they are within their "right" to expel. The difference is one is about inciting or expressing an opinion, the other is about a person's condition, something he cannot change. Would you have thought it acceptable for her to wear a dress made from the flag of the swastika? Some view the Confederate flag with as much disdain. The fact is that flag (Stars and Bars) was the BATTLE flag of the South, not the OFFICIAL flag that flew over Richmond. That flag (S&B) has been hijacked as a racist flag, it does not represent pride in the South.

On the other hand, the gay student was just being himself. There is nothing to say he committed any sexual acts; therefore, he may not be in violation of policy. To declare oneself gay, doesn't mean s/he has engaged in sex. So, was he expelled simply for having a gay chat room? If so, then that is a violation of his CIVIL rights as afforded by the 1st Amendment. Even a private school should have to follow that rule, but they are not required to, which is problematic in of itself.

To compare the two is insulting. It seems to me that with all the whining that goes on this board about certain groups getting the "shaft," gays have more to complain about here. I have seen more subtle gay-bashing at DU since the election(?) then when I first joined. The bigots are coming out (so to speak) of the woodwork.

As for the comment about a private Jewish school expelling a student for having a PLO website support group, in comparison to this story, is offensive! That is nothing but apples and oranges and if you cannot see that, then there is a problem. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, in that you just made a poor analogy.

So where is the hypocrisy now?
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Traction Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 04:12 AM
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99. While he can't change being gay
He certainly can change hosting a gay chat room while in a Catholic school. So, would you feel the same if the kid opened up a KKK chat room, and was expelled from a private school? How about if he opened up a pedophile chat room? I'm not comparing the three in any way. I'm just throwing out random examples. Remember, if the US military can throw out an openly gay soldier (which is wrong, but they legally do it), why not a private school?

As for the girl in the dress, if it had been a swastika, I honestly must say I'd think the school should have acted then. There's no denying that the Nazi symbol is pure hate. As for the rebel flag, I'm old school. When I see it, I just think the South and the Dukes of Hazzard. When I see a swastika, I think of Hitler. But I guess I am a bit of a hypo. I admit it, though.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:20 PM
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101. Interesting, but...
If it was the fact that he had a gay chat room, then they should have asked he end his chat room, then let him make that decision. And, although, you said you were not comparing the three examples, it was offensive. A gay chat room is not the same as a chatroom/website promoting the KKK or pedophilia! Why didn't you pick something like he created a Wiccan site or an interracial dating chatroom? Instead you chose two odious examples to balance against a gay website!

Can the private school dismiss him for being gay? Yup! I just think it is sad in this day and age. Also, if they get ANY public funds, they should be yanked at once.

As for Rebel Girl, she made a poor choice, but, unless it violated dress code, she had the right to wear it. However, knowing the sentiment behind that flag, to me, it would have been the same as wearing a shirt that said "No Niggers!" It doesn't mean that to all people, that particular flag now does carry that stigma, so her choice was very poor and perhaps bigoted, but we don't know her intentions. She says it was to promote her Southern Heritage...if so, then why not wear the flag of the Confederacy? Instead, she chose the Stars and Bars, which was a BATTLE flag of the South. Sounds to me if she was expressing her pride in the battle of the South and not the south itself. Also, the fact that the KKK uses that particular flag, it makes me raise my eyebrows every time I see it, and I am Southern, through and through!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:32 AM
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62. So much for "christian" valyooz...
I hope the kid sues them into bankruptcy.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:11 AM
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66. I'm so sick of these Jesusland bastards
My heart goes out to this kid. It really does. I know what it feels like to be a queer youth in a fundie environment and to have nowhere you feel you can turn to.

What particularly struck me was how the school went to straight to the parents and outed the kid to them after he begged them not to. I went to a private school (though it was a secular one), and had things I said in confidence to the school psychologist used against me in what can only be described as a kind of psy-ops campaign by a school official (nothing illegal or dangerous or anything, just some deeply personal things--including confusion about my sexual orientation).

Don't these oh-so-pious sons-of-bitches have a fucking clue about GLBT-Q youth and what hell our lives can be? Don't they know that our suicide rate is astronomical compared to that of heterosexual youth? Even if you buy into their garbage that anything other than straight is wrong and a sin, pushing these kids away, branding them with scarlet "G"s, it only turns otherwise healthy kids into quivering messes of self-hatred. It makes them more likely to turn to substance abuse to dull the pain of their daily existences, and makes them susceptible to unsavory people who prey upon emotionally broken kids. I know because I've seen it and lived it.

If these so-called Christians were truly about love and walking the walk, they would reach out to these kids instead of treating them like filthy pariahs. But Jesusland Christianity isn't about that, it's about faux prestige and how big your suburban Wal-Mart church is and how many obnoxious fish placards you have on your SUV and how much your high-rolling pastor gets his face and his Armani suits on TV. I hate these people for the misery they cause, but more importantly I hate people who tell me there's something wrong with me for calling these holier-than-thou fuckwits on their bullshit.

Those Pharisees wouldn't know Jesus if he walked up to them, turned over the love offering box and threw them out of their Wal-Mart churches.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:27 AM
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68. WWJD?
hypocrites...
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:22 AM
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71. I Wonder What Gay Jesus Would Think Of This?
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:30 AM
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72. Why does this kid even want to go to this school?
He has the choice to go to public school, or any number of other private schools that aren't run by fundamentalists. His day to day life there can't be pleasant. Unless his parents are making him go there, I can't see why he is attending that school. And if they are, he should go to CPS and get out of the situation, or try to get emancipated if he is 17.

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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:39 AM
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73. That's certainly not the Christian thing to do.
However, it IS a private school. I'm not a fan of private schools anyway. Go to public schools and support them 150%, in my opinion.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:42 AM
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74. My tax dollar goes for this shameless backward bullshit?
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dreamcollector Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:57 AM
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75. I'm very happy he got thrown out
I don't like to stereotype the fundamentalists but they come across as an evil bunch. As a mother I wouldn't want my children to go to such an intolerant backward scool. And for a gay student? What were they thinking? He should be in a loving, warm and accepting environment. Send him to Toronto. We love gays. We are gay friendly here. In fact no Canadian politician would dare miss attending the gay parade. Just as no Canadian politician would have the bad taste to discuss his religious views.
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DFWJock Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 09:13 AM
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76. A BigD Texas "HOWDY" from here in Moralityville
Where an honor student is kicked out of school for being gay and a woman cut off her babies arms....all in the name of Jesus.
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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:19 AM
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77. send the principal an email
about his "Christian" behavior:

ddelph@trinitychristian.org
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:57 AM
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80. Any money says the headmaster doesn't take these seriously
(Leviticus) 19: Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Remember, a packet of mixed wildflower seeds is a sin.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 04:27 AM
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100. hope none of those motherfuckers ate any goddamned oysters
.
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