Ten More Years?--Independent, UK

[Gloria]

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1//The Independent, UK 22 December 2004

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=595356



TEN MORE YEARS?

Senior MPs warn British troops will be in Iraq for a decade, as Blair in Baghdad proclaims: 'We are not a nation of quitters'



By Donald Macintyre in Baghdad and Colin Brown



Tony Blair flew into Iraq yesterday, promising democracy. But, outside the ring of security that escorted him, another day of gruesome violence was unfolding - including a rocket attack on a US base in Mosul that claimed at least 24 lives.



And, against a backdrop of continuing carnage, The Independent has learned a cross-party group of MPs has returned from Iraq convinced British troops may have to be deployed there for at least another 10 years.



Unlike the Prime Minister, the Commons Defence Select Committee was unable to visit Baghdad because the security situation was too dangerous.



One senior member of the committee said: "It will take 10 to 15 years at least . It is another Cyprus. The Iraqis just cannot cope with the security situation and won't be able to for years."



As Mr Blair was proclaiming Britain would stay the course, a bloody illustration of the dangers encountered by US and British troops was playing out in the northern city of Mosul.

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[DS1]

1. In that case I'll be expecting the Redcoats to invade Boston harbor when?

Dumbass Blair

[latteromden]

2. 10 more years? Don't change presidents in the middle of a war. Let's make

it 20. But the people love you, El Presidente! Okay, 30. But only 30 more years, because a dictatorship is hard work.

[DemoTex]

3. In other words: Vietnam.

Redux. We are fuxed.

[TahitiNut]

7. As illegitimate as Vietnam was, it was more legitimate than this ...

... clusterfuck. :grr:

[gatorboy]

4. For a second there I thought it was an article about Bush...

Ten more years of Bush... *shudders*

[patdem]

5. What the hell does this mean???

One senior member of the committee said: "It will take 10 to 15 years at least . It is another Cyprus. The Iraqis just cannot cope with the security situation and won't be able to for years."

What does that mean?? Does anyone know?? I am very confused. The word 'lack' and security is not used, nor the word 'foreign' and security...I personally cannot figure out this statement, can you?

[LynnTheDem]

6. "It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." Rumsfailed

"I really do believe we will be greeted as liberators" -Cheney

"I think things have gotten so bad inside Iraq, from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. ... I think it will go relatively quickly, ... (in) weeks rather than months."-Cheney

Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz declared of the soon-to-be-invaded Iraqis, 'Like the people of France in the 1940s, they view us as their hoped-for liberators.'

No surprise the bushCartel were DEAD WRONG on that.
They're ALWAYS WRONG.

The Iraqi military are able to deploy these weapons within 45 minutes of a decision to do so.
-ALLAWI
UK Government dossier
The Times
September 25, 2002

Oops, wrong.

a person who claims he has no weapons of mass destruction, in order to escape the dictums of the U.N. Security Council and the United Nations -- but he's got them.
George W. Bush
Remarks by the President in Colorado
October 28, 2002

Oops, wrong.

If the United Nations doesn't have the will or the courage to disarm Saddam Hussein, and if Saddam Hussein will not disarm, for the sake of peace, for the sake of freedom, the United States will lead a coalition to disarm Saddam Hussein.
George W. Bush
Remarks by the President in New Mexico
October 28, 2002

Oops, wrong.

I see the world the way it is. Saddam Hussein is a threat to America. He's a threat to our friends. He's a man who said he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction, yet he has them.
George W. Bush
Remarks by the President at Illinois
November 3, 2002

Oops, wrong.

This is a man who told the world he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction, promised he wouldn't have them. He's got them. ... He said he wouldn't have chemical weapons, he's got them.
George W. Bush
Remarks by the President at Arkansas
November 4, 2002

Oops, wrong.

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002

Oops, wrong.

Iraq has lied before, and they're lying now about whether they possess weapons of mass destruction.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 6, 2002

Oops, wrong.

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

Oops, wrong.

Saddam Hussein is not disarming. He is a danger to the world. He must disarm. And that's why I have constantly said and the Prime Minister has constantly said this issue will come to a head in a matter of weeks, not months.
George W. Bush
Joint Press conference with Tony Blair
January 31, 2003

Oops, wrong.

Saddam is concealing the evidence of his weapons of mass destruction, while preserving the weapons themselves.
Colin Powell
State Dept press release
February 03, 2003

Oops, wrong.

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

Oops, wrong.

Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets.
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

Oops, wrong.

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003

Oops, wrong.

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003

Oops, wrong.

He claims to have no chemical or biological weapons, yet we know he continues to hide biological and chemical weapons, moving them to different locations as often as every 12 to 24 hours, and placing them in residential neighbourhoods.
Donald Rumsfeld
Press Conference
March 12, 2003

Oops, wrong.

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

Oops, wrong.

Today, no nation can possibly claim that Iraq has disarmed. And it will not disarm so long as Saddam Hussein holds power.
George Bush
Ultimatum
March 18, 2003

Oops, wrong.

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly. . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003

Oops, wrong.

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003

Oops, wrong.

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003

Oops, wrong.

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

Oops, wrong.

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003

Oops, wrong.

I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003

Oops, wrong.

We have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction - that is what this war was about, and is about - and we have high confidence it will be found
Ari Ari Fleisher
News Interactive
April 11,2003

Oops, wrong.

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003

Oops, wrong.

Bush, Cheney admit Iraq had no WMD

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041008/news_1n8weapons.html

$200+ billion, 1300 dead US men, women & teens, 50,000 sick/wounded US men, women, teens, 100,000+ dead Iraqi civilians, and world hatred later.

[Matilda]

12. And the worst is, that none of these people has ever admitted

that they might have been just a teensy, weensy little bit wrong.

So they will just go on repeating the same mistakes in Iran (or
maybe it will be Syria next).

When are their devoted followers going to wake up to these morans
and give them the boot?

[bhikkhu]

8. Dumb Question - what happened in Cyprus?

Perhaps the result of my american upbringing, the "another Cyprus" remark draws no associations, and a brief perusal of my books is no help. What happened there?

[Gloria]

10. Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974...the island is currently divided

and the situation is a sticking point regarding Turkey joining the EU..

A brief overview of Turkey and Cyprus....

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/8740/Hellas-Turkey.htm

[Just Me]

9. Permanent bases. The B&B thingy,...we'll rule it,...this time.

They imagine themselves as being so highly better than the rest of humanity,...arrogant asses.

I just,...think,...these people DESERVE the rank of humility.

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[Barkley]

13. 10 more years: Take Up the White Man's Burden

The White Man's Burden*
-Rudyard Kipling (1899)


Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child.

...


*This famous poem, written by Britain's imperial poet was a response to the American take over of the Philippines after the Spanish-American War