FBI email embroils Bush in jail abuse

[progressoid]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11765305%255E2703,00.html

snip...

He rejected claims the US President had issued an order allowing inhuman interrogation methods against detainees in Iraq and elsewhere, saying there was "no executive order relating to interrogation techniques. When it comes to military detainees and interrogation methods, those are determinations made by the US Department of Defence".

But the American Civil Liberties Union released copies of a two-page FBI email dated May 22 that refers repeatedly to an executive order signed by Mr Bush which, according to the ACLU statement, "states the President directly authorised interrogation techniques including sleep deprivation, stress positions, the use of military dogs, and sensory deprivation through the use of hoods"....

[BlueEyedSon]

1. that's "torture"

[denverbill]

20. The 'stress position' thing caused at least one death.

I'd consider that torture.

[truthisfreedom]

23. one death=murder. bring charges against the traitor.

[aggiesal]

36. Stop confusing King George II with the facts.

He has fingers in his ears and saying "... LA LA LA LA LA, I can't hear you"

[Cronus Protagonist]

40. It's just a prank - like they do in fraternity houses

Get with the program....

[rkc3]

2. Why the Australian News? Why not the New York Times?

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[wicket]

5. Bullshit.

[marc_the_dem]

8. not bullshit!

its bushit ;) .... by the truckload

[sniffa]

18. aw crap!

i missed the pizza party. :cry:

[DoBotherMe]

7. you are a fool

[FarLeftRage]

9. WTF does that have to do with b*sh authorizing torture?

Do you belong here?

[WhiteTara]

12. what are you talking about?

Your post does not make sense to me. Please explain yourself.

[WhiteTara]

13. what are you talking about?

Your post does not make sense to me. Please explain yourself.

[Chipper Chat]

27. You cant fool me.

You are either Rush Limbaugh or Ernest Istook!

[0007]

30. ....another freeper with a mouth full of smegma

[impeachthescoundrel]

4. Merry Christmas

you sorry redneck asshole:mad:

[VegasWolf]

6. bush's stinky hands finally showing for all to see.

[canadianbeaver]

22. stinky......stinky.......stinky........n/t

[Stevendsmith]

10. Good thing the TV media is all over this story

yesiree!!

[AlCzervik]

14. it was on the front page of my local paper yesterday

i'm waiting to read the ltte from the wingnuts.

[Algorem]

11. Everyone knows ACLU=commies.Trying to frame our great pretzledent.

[Mr.Green93]

15. We've got him now

It is just a matter of time. Just like Nixon.

[caligirl]

19. Nixonian. A real dirt bag

[RaleighNCDUer]

29. Hell, he makes Nixon look good. n/t

[CBHagman]

37. I'm afraid you have an excellent point.

One of my co-workers, a man who tends to be on the conservative side, though no right-winger, has said emphatically that he would prefer any of the recent presidents, including Nixon, to the current Bush, no matter how bad he thought they were during their terms.

[quaoar]

16. This story won't last more than a couple of days

Because there is no one to launch an investigation of it.

Congress will ignore it the same way they have ignored everything other outrage committed by the Bush crime family.

[progressoid]

21. Sadly , I think you are right

The next four years are going to be worse than the last. We've replaced AG asshead with *'s architect for law breaking. It's going to take some serious civil disobedience to wake people up.

[Voltaire99]

26. Yes. The "Person of the Year" story has more legs.

Time we accepted it: we are in a post-rational, post-democratic era, ruled by sensation and fear, and the will of a huge swath of the public is that normal political processes currently do not apply. 9/11 voodoo, people. It has annointed Bush as an American saint, and he is insulated entirely from the failures of his policies and person.

Big Brotha ain't goin' nowhere.

[Chipper Chat]

28. There are much more important things to worry about:

Like which dress Laura is going to wear at the inaugeral ball. C'mon people - dont blow this up out of proportion!

[bpilgrim]

47. the whole world is watching

the failure of the nation to prosecute war crimes is what triggers the international criminal court... if international legal precedent is followed * could be tried in absentia.

peace

[flordehinojos]

17. abu ghraib abuse and bush's mind/soul go together hand in hand, like a

horse and carriage.

[Vidar]

24. Yaaa! I get to cheer for Australia & Germany in the same day.

[killbotfactory]

25. Unless Bush personally committed the torture

and there is a videotape...

and even, then...

I won't wait for anything to happen.

[GarySeven]

31. Violation of International law = an IMPEACHABLE offense

If only he had ordered the torture while getting a blowjob (but that kind of multi-tasking is asking a lot of him)

[tavalon]

32. Wow, his first impeachable offense!

Actually, not even close. I'm becoming terribly cynical about his impeachable offenses being impeached in actuality. It took me until I was in my mid thirties (the Clinton witchhunt) for me to truly understand that impeachment wasn't about doing something wrong, it's about a certain nasty partisan politics.

[progressoid]

33. OMG a BJ? Technically I think that's an impeachable offense only if

said BJ caused you to hire hit men to kill Ron Brown & Vince Foster, cover up your vast connections to communist China, and rent out the Lincoln bedroom to athiest hollywood producers.

[Rush1184]

53. Hmmm.... Do I smell a freeper....

[realisticphish]

54. actually, i smell sarcasm

but what do i know


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[spacedog]

34. Nobody cares!!

The biggest problem I have is not convincing people that Bush authorized these "interrogation" techniques but getting people to care about the abuse. Such a large portion of this country just doesn't CARE that we're torturing and killing innocent Iraqis. They see them as somehow deserving it and want to "nuke 'em all!!". I don't get it. Regardless of the fact that Bush authorized torture, how do you get people to realize, simple as it seems, that torture is BAD and we shouldn't do it?!
:scared:

[NYC]

38. I don't know the answer, Spacedog.

...how do you get people to realize, simple as it seems, that torture is BAD and we shouldn't do it?

I find it astounding that people don't care. That's even worse than people who don't know (or choose not to know).

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[Been Fishing]

41. It isn't them, so why care?

History does repeat, doesn't it? When the Japanese were put in internment camps during WWII, no one cared. Some even cheered.

When Germans started arresting Jews, no one cared. It wasn't them.

When Germans arrested Gypsies, no one cared. It wasn't them.

When Afrikaners arrested blacks, no one cared. It wasn't them.

When Bush authorized torture of Muslims, no one cared. It wasn't them.

[NYC]

44. I know, but

no one is safe unless everyone is safe. If it can happen to them, it can happen to us. I guess people just don't believe that.

[captain jack]

45. Great Point. I suppose when it's in thier front yards, perhaps

happening to thier children. Of course that sick feeling in the gut of the more informed, along with the panic attacks and bad nerves does show it's closer to most than they know.

[lovuian]

35. This is a Wakeup call to Military FBI CIA that Bush will Screw you

He will order it and then say No he didn't

and then the good little obediant soldier goes to jail.

Obediant soldiers are expendable while the Big General sits in his plush office saying I never ordered that!!!

[caligirl]

39. FBI CIA and military are very capable of screwing Bush. n/t

[manly]

42. bush okays torture

It's time to start the proceedings to impeach the bastard. No two ways about it, Bush is the greatest evil the US has ever faced. The trouble is the sixty million morons who voted for him probably still support the idiot.

[leftchick]

43. so will bush* be blamed for the torture of US POWs???

if/when they are taken hostage in Iraq? I have not forgotten PFC. Jeff Maupin unlike 99% of the USA!

[captain jack]

46. Was this person taken hostage in the u.s. by an iraqi

during an illegal Iraqi invasion and occupation? Just wondering if one is equal to the other.

[leftchick]

49. I am not sure of your point....

my point is that bush*s blatant disregard for The Geneva Conventions leaves the US troops that are captured anywhere vulnerable.

[bpilgrim]

48. you just said a taboo word... POW

we NEVER hear about them any more and no-one ASKS about them that i've heard :argh:

peace

[ashmanonar]

55. that's bc they're not being captured by a "legitimate government", rather

by an independent military insurrection...pow's are very rare in insurrections, i'd say...our troops are more likely to die from IED's or snipers than anything else...

[progressivebydesign]

50. How did I KNOW this was NOT the U.S. media??? Never is... n/t

[Disturbed]

51. Was Pfc Maupin executed?

Someone told me that they read somewhere that he was beheaded. I don't think that happened but it sure does seem that the Bush Junta has completely ignored his plight.

[Chipper Chat]

52. It was reported that he was "executed."

No specifics. There was no media blitz after this report like there was with the previous executions. Matt Maupin - you are remembered!