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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:43 PM
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CIA removing documents from National Archives
Let me guess, Operation Northwoods will be the at the top of the list.

http://www.underreported.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1415&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/adcom/mtgnts/c13733.htm

Geyer commented that the practice of submitting an entire FRUS manuscript to the CIA had resulted in the reclassification of documents located at the National Archives. NARA, however, merely added these documents to the list of withdrawn items without indicating that the documents had been declassified previously. Don McIlwain noted that the Department of Energy cited the Kyl-Lott amendment as justification for reclassifying previously declassified documents. CIA reviewers, however, claimed the right to remove documents from the open files that, in their view, had never been "properly declassified."
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 03:06 PM
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1. re-writing history, covering up crimes, or both? . . . n/t
.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 03:34 PM
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2. BOTH.............count on it.
So much for transparency...
No such thing.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:34 PM
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3. Bush is covering his friends tracks!!!
there is so much there he won't be able to get it all!!!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:45 PM
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4. I sure hope the "memory hole" is robust enough
to save some of this stuff before it goes "poof"
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:45 PM
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5. There's a major purge, lots of shredding in the UK govt now, too.
The UK is about to have a Freedom of Information Act-type law go into effect and email databases are being deleted and documents shredded in large quantities.

Something is afoot and has the fascists spooked into CYA mode.
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bin.dare Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 08:37 PM
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11. yes, something is afoot but it is not CYA ...
... what is happening is a deliberate attempt to roll back FOIR legislation enacted in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. This is happening not just is the US and UK but across the globe.

It sort of gives you the creepy feeling that all governments were complicit in 9/11 just so that they could undo all the progressive measures previously enacted.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:47 PM
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6. Destroying evidence of War Crimes n/t
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 05:55 PM
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7. when it comes to the bushes you can bet they are both re-writing history
and covering up their own crimes.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 06:17 PM
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8. And the crimes of their father.
It's a genetic thing with the Bushies.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 01:46 PM
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18. Can anyone remember the bill W. had approved early on
that gave control of historical documents of presidents to their descendants???

Or something like that...I vaguely remember this, it means that years from now W. will have control of the access to documents about 41.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 07:06 PM
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9. Sumpin' else: Poppy Bush involved in JFK assassination.
This area is of more than historic interest interest to the Bush cabal. It may land Poppy in the hoosegow.

The first is an FBI memo which details what George Herbert Walker Bush reported within minutes of President Kennedy's death. Seems Poppy ratted out one James Parrott:



Here's a second FBI memo from a week later that talks about "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" pretty much clearing the anti-Castro Cuban community of the assassination:



SOURCE:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

No wonder Poppy doesn't remember where he was on 22 November 1963.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:57 AM
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13. "Poppy doesn't remember where he was on 22 November 1963..."
How could he not? He gave a STATEMENT about it to the FBI!

Very strange...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 11:12 AM
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17. Tyler's about 50 miles east of Dallas.
A government interested in discovering the truth about President Kennedy's murder would investigate the crime. There is no statute of limitations on murder -- or treason -- and many people involved are still alive and thus, liable for prosecution. I'm not saying Poppy pulled the trigger, but his people -- the monied elite -- sure have benefitted the last 41 years.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:25 PM
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20. He didn't plead the 5th?
Gee......He's was stupid for testifying.

funny how the fbi works for him now.
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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 07:59 PM
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10. It Dazzles The Mind/Not The Borg however?n/t
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:49 AM
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12. kick
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:13 AM
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14. The interesting part here is:
"NARA, however, merely added these documents to the list of withdrawn items without indicating that the documents had been declassified previously."

The power to declare never-classified documents as being (newly) classified material has significant potential. Not only would it enable much public material (that is currently "untouchable") to be withdrawn from public view, but it is a potential weapon to use against anyone who would make information public. After all, "national security" is an awfully broad umbrella at this point.

There have been instances in the past where one or the other of the intelligence services have visited an individual (or group) to discuss published (unclassified) work. But these instances have been fairly limited in scope. Is the door being opened to do this on a somewhat broader scale?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:21 AM
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15. Didn't Joseph Stalin do things like this?
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:24 AM
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16. Northwoods..gpa bush connection with Nazis
looks like we should all be doing what I have made a habit

click on save
click on print
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:15 PM
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19. They have one problem...........They can't erase the present.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:28 PM
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21. locking for two reasons
1. the story is more than 12 hours old (see Late Breaking News rules)

2. underreported.com is not a recognized LBN source.
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