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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 08:49 PM
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Churches condemn terror spend
Churches condemn terror spend

By Severin Carrell and Sophie Goodchild
26 December 2004

Britain's religious leaders condemned the failure of wealthy nations to spend enough on tackling poverty around the world while spending too much on fighting terrorism.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, used his Christmas sermon yesterday to accuse world leaders of wrongly focusing too heavily on combating terrorism while failing to meet their promise to cut global poverty by half by 2015.

He also said basic principles of "justice and liberty" for all were being sacrificed for security. He said people were right to anxious about terrorism, but suggested the real risk of attack was less than the public was lead to believe.

Meanwhile, the head of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, criticised using "billions of pounds" for conflicts in the Middle East instead of "bringing people out of dire poverty, malnourishment and disease".

(snip)
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=596077

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 08:54 PM
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1. Poverty, hunger,
and injustice are the root cause of terrorism. If we'd take care of the least of those in the world, maybe we wouldn't have the problems with terror that we have now.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:21 PM
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6. Ah but the law of the rich says otherwise. ..
Says the playing field is even... & that all is fair ;)

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.
Anatole France
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:02 PM
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2. So why aren't U.S. spiritual leaders getting in our papers with this?
Are our spiritual leaders more bogus and shallow, or is it that only the bogus and shallow ones get attention here?
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cruadin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:10 PM
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3. I think the "bogus and shallow" religious leaders here...
in America are seen by the MSM as more newsworthy, in that they say more interesting (i.e. divisive and inflammatory) things.

After all "interesting" is what's better for ratings, and the better the ratings, the greater the profits for their corporate masters. Therefore you see nothing but the "bogus and shallow."

After all, aren't profits the most important consideration?

Spiritual leaders with a truly spiritual message are BORING.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:18 PM
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4. Spiritual leaders with a truly spiritual message say things that the corps
don't want heard. They aren't boring. They are far from boring. They are, in fact, being quietly persecuted against.
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cruadin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:44 PM
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7. My reference to spiritual leaders being "boring" was from...
the perspective of the MSM, which, when it isn't openly Repug-controlled, is only interested in the bottom line--corporate profits. They, the MSM, are in the infotainment industry; they need an audience, and they'll do what it takes to get one.

That's why repellent figures like Falwell and Robertson are presented to us as "spiritual leaders" when anybody with a brain can see them for the clowns they are. Although, admittedly, dangerous clowns.They are part of the contingent of court jesters that the MSM parades before us on "talking head" shows under the guise of being fair and balanced. It's all just good theater.

A serious spiritual leader has no role to play in their carefully scripted performances. A serious spiritual leader would upset the apple cart by challenging the status quo.
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 03:36 PM
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15. I think you pretty much nailed it there
I couldn't agree more.

Arg! But why do you have to say MSM? It's the Corporate Media! :)
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:20 PM
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5. waiting for the faith based charity welfare money, that;s why
Who would not have their hand out to this windfall?
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Joy Anne Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 06:44 AM
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13. Al Sharpton is our best hope
of getting on TV with this message. He's flamboyant and famous enough to get booked on TV, but his bottom-line message is always the one we agree with, about getting rid of war and poverty.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 06:39 AM
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16. Good point. An exception: Andrew Greeley in the Chicago Sun Times.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/greeley/cst-edt-greel24.html

Greeley is a Catholic thinker I can stand.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:50 PM
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8. Killing the poor is a poverty cure to people like Bush
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:52 PM
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9. Anyday now I'm expecting Bush to tell us that the poor are Al-Qaeda n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:55 PM
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10. I've no doubt that a lot of the poor are already labeled "terrorists"
anyone that challenges the status-quo is apt to be named as such.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 10:29 PM
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11. Send the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dowan Williams an e-mail
archbishop@rcdow.org.uk

and thank him for speaking out.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 10:56 PM
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12. Lol! I did but.... e-mails
Edited on Sat Dec-25-04 10:57 PM by Tinoire
You posted the address of the Archbishop, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor archbishop@rcdow.org.uk



===

I found out when I was trying to write to Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury, that the article mispelled his name, it's Rowan Williams but I can't find his e-mail!




If you or anyone else can find it, I'd love to write him!


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heidler1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:51 PM
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14. Perhaps we have evolved into a more Intelligent Design?
In England anyway.
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