Yanukovych Vows Challenge in Ukraine

[wicket]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20041227/ap_on_re_eu/ukraine_election

Opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko celebrated his apparent victory in Ukraine's presidential election rerun Monday, but his opponent refused to concede defeat and vowed to challenge the results before Ukraine's Supreme Court in what could be a protracted legal battle.

The vast tent camp set up by orange-clad Yushchenko supporters on Kiev's main avenue after the fraud-plagued Nov. 21 election remained in place, indicating his backers were prepared for further tensions although no election-related violence was reported Sunday. Orange was Yushchenko's campaign color.

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But Yanukovych did not concede, and Nestor Shufrych, a lawmaker and Yanukovych ally, said the prime minister's campaign would appeal the results to the Supreme Court, where Yushchenko took his legal appeals after the Nov. 21 vote. The court eventually overturned those results.


"We will appeal the falsification of the vote," Shufrych said, citing allegations of multiple voting and violations in voter lists.

[ButterflyBlood]

1. lol

Pot calling the kettle black. Get over it Putin boy, you failed to rig this one.

[Stand and Fight]

2. Sigh...

Have you even researched Viktor Yushchenko? Maybe if you read about him a bit, acknowledged the fact that he is backed by the Bush administration, and his challenge was funded by the same... You don't think it is a little strange that the exit polls were right there, but not here in the United States? It has been the Bush administration that has pointed out the fact that the exit polls pointed to fraud in the Ukrainian vote. The same administration's State Department helped fund Yushchenko, and if you research him you'd be surprised by the similarities between the two -- that is, Bush and Viktor Yushchenko. They're both elitist bastards -- not to mention that Yushchenko is the "western-backed" candidate. Do your homework before you believe the lies spoon-fed to you by the mainstream media.

[Tinoire]

4. I posted about this. This is not as pretty a picture as it looks on US TV

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2870381

[NNN0LHI]

5. But, but, CNN's Jill Doherty looks soooo beautiful reporting from Kiev

And honest too. Wonder who is paying for her make-up entourage? Because its got to be an entourage. Ain't one or two CNN hacks doing her make-up. Looks like she just stepped out of a scene from "Days Of Our Lives" or something. No shit. I can't believe some people fall for this crap.

And it all looks so innocuous too, until you realize that it was people just like Jill Doherty, and Dan Rather, that at one time helped convince America that Saddam and Osama were great guys. And they were very convincing back then too. Oh, so convincing.

Don

[SeveneightyWhoa]

27. Okay, so..

..you're actually beginning to somehow compare/equate Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein with Viktor Yushchenko.

Brilliant. Just brilliant.

[kostya]

6. I disagree with all your points and don't get my information

from the mass media. I get it from real people in Ukraine. You are using innuendo to imply something about Yushchenko, but have no facts or even references to back up your weak assertions. Yushchenko has about a 10 point victory in an election with an unprecedented 12,000 observers. Get over it. - K

[Stand and Fight]

10. Real people?

Don't forget that getting your information from real people, as you say, can be just as damning as anything. I suppose you think that Bush won the election here in the USA as well, huh? Weak assertions? I made no assertions -- I encouraged someone to do research on the subject matter and discover the TRUTH for themselves. Your head must be buried in the sand if you have not paid attention to the fact that the opposition was funded by Bush's State Department -- Yushchenko's wife is a former employee of that very same department under Reagan and Bush Sr. Read from some of these sites before you try attacking the messenger rather than the message bubba:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4035789.stm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6650418/

http://www.bhhrg.org/LatestNews.asp?ArticleID=53

http://www.democraticunderground.com/demopedia/index.php/Viktor_Yushchenko

http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=401&issue_id=3000&article_id=2368162


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Funny, I bet you just completely trust everything CNN tells you, yes?
:eyes:

[kostya]

17. You just wrote: "I made no assertions"

In the post I responded to you said: "They're both elitist bastards" I suppose one person's assertion is another's reality.

Anyway, you seem awfully angry and ready to simply make assumptions about others' viewpoints and media habits. You are completely wrong, for instance in your "assertions" about mine. Get a grip as you are quickly destroying what credibility you have left. - K

[SeveneightyWhoa]

30. LOL, I didn't know Wikipedia was a reliable source.

Considering ANYBODY can edit/add to it.

But considering you trust it more than a reputable news source like CNN, hey, be my guest.

[bspence]

9. Stop with the blanket "Bush supports X, so X is evil" routine

So what if Yushchenko is backed by Bush and the Americans (and every other Western society, it seems)? Would you rather that Ukrainians stay under Yanukovich rule? To slip back into communism or outright mafia rule?

Exit polls weren't 100% in Ukraine, either. The election was closer than the exit polls showed. Exit polling didn't determine fraud the first time around, either. There were soldiers staying in school dorms, just there to vote for dead people still on the rolls. The dean of the school where my brother teaches came into the classroom to tell the students who they had to vote for. In most places, Yushchenko couldn't even put up campaign signs.

Then there's the fact that Yuschenko was poisoned, run off the road, etc. There were other people in his campaign who also had attempts on their lives, including one who did die. Don't those things point to the other side being more corrupt?

Yanukovich was elected without even being able to speak Ukrainian. Yanukovich has had members of the press killed, including one they could only identify by his jewelry, since his body was covered in acid?

I think the Ukrainians are in better hands.

[Stand and Fight]

11. Routine?

Where do you find the precedence for such a routine? I don't recalling having said here or in any other forum that since Bush supports person X, that person X must be evil. In order for there to be a "routine," as you say, there has to be an established and consistent pattern. So, I ask you bspence -- and the b.s. on your part is most appropriate given your distortion of my posting -- where does this routine you speak of emerge on my part?

[bspence]

16. IT's DU routine in general, your post in particular

Your comments just point to Bush supporting Yuschenko:

"Maybe if you read about him a bit, acknowledged the fact that he is backed by the Bush administration, and his challenge was funded by the same..."

"Bush and Viktor Yushchenko. They're both elitist bastards -- not to mention that Yushchenko is the "western-backed" candidate."

You have nothing to back those statements up, and just because Bush (or the west) backs him, doesn't make him an "elitist bastard". You don't explain what it is that makes Yushchenko a bastard in his own right. Just because Bush likes Yushchenko, doesn't mean there's something wrong with Yushchenko.

[kostya]

18. Thank you. Well said!

[diamond14]

19. the whole bush* regime supports brutal dictators, always has (PHOTO)

reaguns, bush1 and bushII have a long and sordid history of supporting brutal dictatorships, corruption, war and the drug trade



Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983. Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein:
The U.S. Tilts toward Iraq, 1980-1984

hey bush*....where's bin laden?????

and here, in an attempt to HIDE the crimes in a little-noticed Christmas day event, papa bush* provides presidential pardons for most of reagun CONVICTED criminal Cabinet (they were all CROOKS)....how's that for supporting BRUTAL DICTATORSHIPS...reaguns, bush1 and bush11 (although bush11 is simply toddling along as a puppet follower, he is very complicit in the criminal activities)....Defense Secretary Casper Weinburger was about to do PRISON TIME....WE THE PEOPLE had momentarily stopped the CRIMINAL activities...but not for long...these are all partners in crime and papa bush moved quickly...WAR, DRUGS, MURDERS, BRUTAL DICTATORS, WEAPONS, PSYCHOTICS have long been their mode of operations....

by this action, bush1 set the stage for our current nightmare in Iraq

[HEyHEY]

20. So, you're saying you'd rather have the cheating poisoners in charge?

Just want to be sure

[SeveneightyWhoa]

28. LOL, I think he would.

Go Yanukovich! Cheating poisoners kick ass, because Bush doesn't support them!

:eyes:

That's the attitude of many on this board. It's very saddening.

[CAcyclist]

21. The people would have been better off under Yanuckovich

I have no illusions about the corruption on either side. However:

The Yanuckovich gave people pensions, something that Yushchenko will do away with.

Under Yanuckovich, state - owned gas and oil utilities will stay with the state; under Yushchenko, they will be sold off to foreign firms (read:US multinationals) and people who work for the state will be laid off.


Sorry, there's no happy ending here.

The thing about Yushchenko's poisoning has me wondering,too. If you wanted to do away with someone, why would you use a poison which only kills people in 20 years? Why not use a poison that actually does the job - presumptively, if someone is being poisoned, one assumes the intent is assassination, not acne.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

29. Oh, so now not only are you pro-Yanukovich..

..but you're defending him against claims that his side was behind the poisoning.

Have you blamed Yuschenko for all the cheating/fraud yet, or is that coming shortly?

[TankLV]

13. I have been paying V ERY close attention to this one - and you couldn't

be more wrong.

Just because Yushchenko happens to garner the "support" of bushco, doesn't make it a bushco conspiracy. Even a broken clock is correrct twice a day.

I suggest YOU do the reading and research. You will find that Yushchenko's supporters were prevented from meeting in any hall under the current regime's goons - his supporters were attacked and his publicity presses were destroyed - all by the current regime's russian-backed brownshirts.

Everyone is right to suspect everything - but Yushchenko is the good guy here.

[HEyHEY]

14. Uh....500 Canadian observers reporting NO problems

"he is backed by the Bush administration, and his challenge was funded by the same... "

Yeah And Yankovich is backed by Putin....are you saying Putin is better than Bush?

[Zynx]

15. Bush may be an aspiring tyrant, but Putin is a tyrant.

Some people on this message board will oppose anyone Bush may support regardless of how bad the opposition is. There are some on this board who support Robert Mugabe just because Bush is opposed to him.

[podnoi]

24. Who were the Canadian observers?

I am curious where they put their observers. I am hearing from family of serious voter removals in the Eastern Half (Yanukovich) of Ukraine. I have not seen any mention on the media.

[ButterflyBlood]

22. Yes, I've heard the nonsense before

The whole argument boils down to this:

Bush wants Yuschkenko, so Yuschkenko = bad

Just because the interests happen to coincide here doesn't mean the side is bad. Yuschkenko also supports more ties with the EU and thus nations like France and Germany, certainly not big fans of Bush. The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

25. Uh-oh, he's Western backed!

Therefore he's evil, right?

What do you have against the West, exactly?

[SeveneightyWhoa]

26. Uh-oh, he's Western backed!

Therefore he's evil, right?

What do you have against the West, exactly?

[NNN0LHI]

3. Russia is subsidizing 50 million Ukrainians with cheap energy

Now more than likely our tax dollars will be used to pay for those subsidies. Putin knew what he was doing. As they say, he who laughs last, laughs best.

Don

[merh]

7. You are mistaken on who did the rigging and the interfering. It

was the weed that would be king and Putin has warned the little creepy fuck that he (USA/CIA) better keep out of Russia's business and mind what is happening at home! Putin called to the weed's attention that he still has nukes!

[Imagevision]

8. hahahahahahahahahaha...! hahahahahahaha... :--)

:-)

[HEyHEY]

12. Only this time it won't be overturned fucko!

[JohnLocke]

23. Fat chance. Get over it, loser. (nt)