Yushchenko calls for blockade

[wicket]

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11803683%255E1702,00.html

OPPOSITION leader Viktor Yushchenko, winner of Ukraine's rerun of a rigged presidential election, called on his supporters today to block the country's government building.

"I want to say there should be no government meeting ...

"Dear friends, I ask you to strengthen a blockade of the government building tomorrow from early in the morning," Mr Yushchenko told thousands of his supporters in the capital Kiev's Independence square.

Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich, who has vowed to challenge the election results, said he would return to work and hold a government meeting tomorrow.

[shance]

1. Bush is a big fan of Yuschenko. Why?

And Yuschenko's wife was a Reagan/Bush appointee and worked for the State Department? What did she do there?

Seems we are missing many of the details from mainstream media.

I know that comes as a surprise.

[goforit]

10. Will the Yuschenko supporters turn backs knowing Bush is behind this?

Interesting information.

[Tinoire]

13. Read this thread about Bush, Yushchenko, his US govt wife & Cheney

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2870381

I tried to pull it all together in there (about 35 pposts/articles)

Draw your own conclusions. I'm still digging but the latest I found was our little friend Cheney:

CHENEY VOWS TO STEM REVERSE FLOW OF ODESSA-BRODY

www.PRAVDA.com.ua , 8.10.2003, 14:43

The American government is going to help Ukraine in the realization of the intended direction of flow of oil in the pipeline Odessa-Brody, Vice President Dick Cheney's says.

(snip)

In the words of Yelchenko, vice-president of USA raised the use of the Odessa-Brody pipeline.

"Cheney wanted to know the exact plans of the Ukrainian government concerning direct or the reverse use of the oil pipeline," Yelchenko said.

In the opinion of Cheney, the decision on use of the pipeline in the reverse direction does not exist, but Yanukovych reminded that "all his activity in the capacity of the premier was aimed at using the pipeline in the direction of Brody."

(snip)

He also informed that Yanukovych has asked Cheney that American oil companies moved from declarations to concrete proposals.

"The US vice president stated an opinion, and this the position of the American government, that the decision about the reverse flow of oil would sharply reduce the chances of Ukraine to play a key role of the country through which the energy will go to the Western Europe. Cheney has promised to keep an eye on this issue," Yelchenko said.

(snip)

Interfax-Ukraine
http://www.interfax.kiev.ua/ukr/
http://www2.pravda.com.ua/en/archive/2003/october/8/news/2.shtml

[ronnykmarshall]

2. Yikes!

Damn it's gonna get worse.

[oscar111]

3. which guy offers more benefits, which plans cuts to benefits?

which guy offers more free doctors, free college, fat pensions?

and which plans to cut benefits?

our media never says.. just uses foggy labels like pro-west... which can mean anything. Even Liberal, over there, can mean a benefit-cutter... which here,is a Conservative.

So is Yu or Ya the benefit offer-er? and who plans cuts?

[rainy]

5. From what I understand one side supports russia and the other,

Yeschenko, new europe. The country is about split on both men. both have their strong points. PINR had a great article on this. I'll post it if I can find it.

http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=236
''Ukrainian Presidential Elections: To East or West?''
n October 31, 2004, the world turned its attention to Ukraine, where presidential elections took place. The results indicated a very close race between two front-running candidates, prompting the need for a run-off election on November 21. The outcome of the second electoral round will determine not just the fate of Ukraine and the future geopolitical situation in Eastern Europe, but will showcase the extent of Russia's influence in the former Soviet republics.

The elections in Ukraine pitted two of the most prominent politicians in the country against each other, each with a different view of the future geopolitical situation in this country. Former Prime Minister Viktor Yushchenko, leader of the democratic opposition, advocated for economic improvements, more independence from Russia and closer ties with N.A.T.O. and the European Union. His opponent, current Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, pledged wide-ranging improvements, and closer ties with Russia. He is less enthusiastic on a closer relationship with Europe and the U.S. Thus, far from being an independent and impartial observer, Russia has turned into one of the most crucial and deciding issues in this election.

[FDRrocks]

23. It reminds me of the Spanish "Socialists"

that got elected. They ran on a platform that proposed cutting corporate taxes.

That was a hoot. Especially since the US press acted like it was the second coming of Marx.

[podnoi]

27. Nobody knows this. That is part of the problem

Yuschenko is using division and Nationalism to win. The MSM indeed just clouds it.

Both have similar backgrounds under Kuchma, both were Prime Minister (like VP), both have ties to the oligarchy.

The real story is the potential disinfranshisement of half the population.

Ever notice most of the supporters in the streets are students? They are being paid, which just makes it more interesting

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

4. What's the inauguration date?

Until that, the previous guy is still President. I don't like the looks of this.

[Walt Starr]

6. Now I think Yushenko is in thw wrong on this

Sorry, but that's how I see it. Yushenko is now being as big a thug as any of 'em.

[Liberty Belle]

7. Kerry should take a cue from Yushenko.

Imagine if he called on supporters to shut down Congress and prevent those toadies from confirming Bush electors!

[Laughing Mirror]

8. So Yuschenko could protest 1st vote, but Yanukovich cannot protest 2d

Who ran the exit polls? The US and Western Europe. Six states that were supposed to go to Kerry, according to exit polls, went to Bush.

I can't help but confuse the two. The one with the Elephant Man face (gradually improving) gets all the attention that the other massive voter theft should be getting in the press.

[NNN0LHI]

9. Blockade? That don't sound very democratic

Sounds like something Chimpy would pull.

Don

[Tinoire]

12. That was my first unfortunate thought

brought back visions of people people bussed in to stop the recounts in Florida.

Bush pumped $65 million into Yushchenko's election. People were getting paid 1/6 of their average monthly salary PER DAY to be out in the streets from what I'm reading in some of the Ukrainian papers.

What I'd like to know is what is this meeting they're trying to stop (don't want to register for another paper today)??

[NYC]

19. Tinoire, no need to register.

Go to http://www.bugmenot.com

Type in the name of the newspaper, and you will get the name and password for an existing account. Works most of the time.

[Tinoire]

20. Thank you! I had forgotten that! There's are even some for DU!!!!

Posting it in ATA for Elad. 29 in all but I have a feeling Elad already knows.

Thanks!

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[FDRrocks]

21. He's not ordering the military to blockade a building or something.....

He's asking the majority of the people who voted for him to block the government building, because the opposition who rigged an election and won (only to be called on it) plans to keep governing.

Is there something I'm missing here?

If the majority of the populous united to block the rights of other people, as is such in this nation, it would still be democracy, because that is, unfortunately, the will of the people.

[GiovanniC]

11. I've Had a Bad Feeling About Yushchenko For a While

I still do.

I will trail off before I go on any wild conspiracy theories about the poisoning...

[Tinoire]

14. This is uglier than manypeople realize right now

The true story on the Ukraine crisis is that it has revealed a cold war East-West conflict regarding the Cheney/Bush administration's constant preoccupation with the control of OIL.

Free lance writer Larry Chin, who specializes in Geopolitical and Intelligence issues, lays out the grand chessboard design ~ backed up by comments from the chess master himself Zbigniew Brzezinski as well as Michel Chossudovsky ~ who wrote War and Globalisation . As such, Sec of State Powell's comments about ' consequences ' has little to do with democracy and everything to do with geo global Oil designs.

Excerpt: " Interference in Ukraine is one more example of the Bush administration’s desperate need to keep its oil-driven "war on terrorism" train from derailing ...... The failure to install a pro-Western government in Ukraine will gravely threaten the US energy conquest, and perhaps derail their imperial agenda altogether. "

Allen L Roland

=====

Cold War Crisis in The Ukraine
Control of oil: Key Grand Chessboard "Pivot" at Stake

by Larry Chin
www.globalresearch.ca 26 November 2004 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI411D.html

The bitterly disputed Ukrainian presidential election, and the crisis that is exploding in the wake of the contested outcome, has re-ignited Cold War and a new round of East-West conflict over control of Eurasian/Caspian/Black Sea energy.

Against the backdrop of Peak Oil (also check energy-related coverage in From The Wilderness), this conflict could well decide the geo-resource direction of the planet itself.

(snip)

In an example of off-the-scale hubris and irony, outgoing US Secretary of State "we cannot accept this result as legitimate because it does not meet international standards and because there has not been an investigation of the numerous and credible reports of fraud and abuse".

(snip of other similarities with US 2000 election)

Why does Ukraine merit such furious and violent scrambling by the various parties?

Whichever powers manage to prevail will hold the key to the control of Eurasian oil and energy, the political control of the Eurasian corridor itself, and the survival of Russia as a nation.

Ukraine: key square on the "Grand Chessboard"

Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives has served as a blueprint for world dictatorship, and an incriminating predictor of the post-9/11 world conflict. Against today’s explosive headlines, Brzezinski’s words are, once again, nightmarishly relevant:

"Geopolitical pivots are the states whose importance is derived not from their power and motivation but rather from their sensitive location and from the consequences of their potentially vulnerable condition for the behavior of geostrategic players. Most often, geopolitical pivots are determined by their geography, which in some cases gives them a special role in either defining access to important areas or in denying resources to a significant player ."

"Ukraine, Azerbaijan, South Korea, Turkey and Iran play the role of critically important geopolitical pivots…

"Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire. Russia without Ukraine can still strive for imperial status, but it would then become a predominantly Asian imperial state, more likely to be drawn into debilitating conflicts with aroused Central Asians, who would then be supported by their fellow Islamic states to the south.

"However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia.

"Ukraine’s determination to preserve its independence was encouraged by external support. In July 1996, the US secretary of defense declared, "I cannot overestimate the importance of Ukraine as an independent country to the security and stability of all of Europe," while in September, the German chancellor…went further in declaring that "Ukraine’s firm place in Europe can no longer be challenged by anyone…"

"Without Ukraine…an imperial restoration based on either the CIS 9Commonwealth of Independent States0 or on Eurasianism was not a viable option. An empire without Ukraine would eventually mean a Russia that would become more "Asianized" and more remote from Europe.

"The states deserving America’s strongest geopolitical support are Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, and (outside this region) Ukraine, all three being geopolitcally pivotal. Indeed, Kiev’s role reinforces the argument that Ukraine is the critical state, insofar as Russia’s own future evolution is concerned."

Then Brzezinski goes directly at Ukraine’s importance to world energy:

(snip / great read)


http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2004/11/27.html#a581

[AG78]

15. Good post

http://www.usacc.org/contents.php?cid=2

All you have to do is read what the write, watch what they do, and listen to what they don't say. Then you'll understand what's going on.

That area of the world will not have democracy. It's too important. That's why it's disappearing.

[Tinoire]

16. Jesus . What a solid little PNAC crowd. Fancy that!

You could have warned me! I'm going to repost that to torment everyone with that hoffible sight ;) (thanks for posting that)


James Baker III


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[FDRrocks]

24. It's a sad state of affairs nowadays...

But, if I were to pick a way for the Ukraine to vote, I would rather have a Western friendly man elected than a Putin buddy.

That's only because I believe Putin is trying to bring back the USSR as best he can. He seems more covert in his actions and agenda, and is setting the world up for an amazing tragedy, on the level that Bush could only envy to achieve.

That's just my opinion.

[imenja]

26. I find this ethnocentrism annoying

"The true story of the Ukraine crisis" is reduced to a geopolitical confrontation between East and West. This kind of view of foreign politics shares much in common with PNAC, in that it sees the entire world as an extension of American political concerns. Everything is not about us. Voters in the Ukraine have their own interests and goals, and the right to determine the outcome of their elections, despite the fact that George Bush and his detractors share a common view of the world as a mere appendage of the United States.

I can accept this article as a legitimate and thoughtful critique of US policy toward the Ukraine, but it is not the "true" or whole story of the Ukranian electoral crisis. I don't claim to know anything about the Ukraine, but one thing is certain: voters in all countries base their decisions primarily on internal political and economic factors rather than their views of the United States or Russia. I believe that it is important that we respect, and not trivialize, their internal political choices, even if an American president we dislike favors the winning candidate.

[moondust]

17. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Alas. Hoodwinked again.

[oscar111]

18. AGAIN: Benefits for folks, fm Ya or Yu? No more Pro-west replies please

Pro west.. what does that mean? Nothing, anything.

Ya or Yu promise more doctors, free college, better pensions?

that is the real bottom line.

My only reply to my earlier Q got me more MSM labels, no real answer.. but thanks for trying.

[FDRrocks]

22. Why this indignation?

Please help me understand what the problem is? Should he sit by and watch the frauds try and run the government that he rightfully leads?

Could not he easily use the military resources to do this... rather than asking the people who voted for him?

[podnoi]

25. Because he is not in power yet