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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:18 PM
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Outrage as Iraqi beheading shown at concert (in Japan)
TOKYO - A Japanese broadcaster has voiced his anger and has apologised after sponsoring a weekend concert where a rock band played the Internet video showing the beheading of a Japanese hostage in Iraq.

The sponsor of the event, Tokyo Broadcasting System, said it had no forewarning of the stunt.

"Showing this kind of video in public can never be forgiven on humanitarian grounds," the network said in a statement.

"As the sponsor, we offer deep apologies to the family of (Shosei) Koda, people who came to the concert and other people concerned," the statement said, without naming the band that showed the video.

(more)

http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/zones/sundaytimesNEW/basket11st/basket11st1104216474.aspx

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shady lane Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:19 PM
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1. This is really sick and gives concerts more bad press
Who runs these things anyway and why do they think their customers (the concert goers) want to see this stuff .......... or do they?

I sure HOPE not.

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jimfromthebronx10469 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:26 PM
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3. can i add this..
i snooped around the "internets" and found the site where i saw nick berg and paul johnson beheaded.i will admit to its brutal shocking effect it filled me with hatred for these guys,then i think what is worse,having a 500 lb. bomb dropped on you or shot through the head.i lay all this death on george w. bush and his family P-NAC..:nopity:
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:39 PM
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7. The Japanese were pretty good themselves when it came to
beheadings in Bataan. Was that Bush's fault too?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 07:40 PM
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14. fallujah == nanking
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 07:41 PM by bpilgrim
GEACPS == PNAC

they had 'ILLEGAL COMBATANTS', too, and delt with them via TORTURE and EXECTUTION via military tribunals.

so are the neoCONs copying :shrug:


"Japanese aircraft bombed south Shanghai Station Aug.28,1937.
About 200 people in the waiting room were dead or wounded by the bombing. A crying baby was left alone after the bombing." - "Life" Oct.4,1937

peace
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:13 PM
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20. Thanks for that pic----It says it all about the horrors of war!
My research skills are nil----do you know who the photographer was?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:51 PM
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22. sorry, i don't know the photographer - n/t
peace
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jimfromthebronx10469 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:31 PM
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29. candy...
no bush wasnt responsible for the rapes and murders in china but on march 18 2003 the world rallied against bush's plan to start a war in iraq the following day.so when i say bush is responsible for nick berg and paul johnson's heads being sliced off i mean it...
had bush and company not conspired to invade iraq so america can control its oil,nick and paul would still be alive as well as 100,000 other innocent victims of bush/cheney plans to control the world's oil......:evilfrown:
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2plus2 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:29 PM
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27.  correction...
You watched the video or Nick Berg? Then you know that one was an Army Psyop..guy was dead before the blade touched his neck. You're new like me, and I just wanted to give you the latest on that.
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jimfromthebronx10469 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:12 PM
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28. 2PLUS 2 DID YOU SEE NICK BERG ?
AND PAUL JOHNSON if you did then you would know both he and paul johnson were very much alive prior to having their heads sliced off.it took about 15/20 seconds of intense cutting and presto...heads are seperated from their living bodies..:evilgrin:
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:23 PM
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30. They weren't shot through the head, they were decapitated. eom
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:23 PM
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2. talk about bad taste
eat your heart out, ozzy
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:26 PM
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31. Biting the head off a bat doesn't seem so bad. eom
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:27 PM
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4. I would love to know which band thought it was the right thing to do.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:28 PM
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5. Every group tries to outshock the other
and this goes way, way back. I'd date this trend to the Rolling Stone's Satanic Majesty's Request album as a response to the Beatles' Sargeant Pepper album.
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:37 PM
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6. Here's the band that did it.
Klack, a Japanese band that was one of 12 groups featured in the concert, showed the video for more than 10 minutes, local media reported.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:48 PM
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8. fantasy: the entire audience walks out and demands their
money back. Then maybe moron groups like this would play music instead of this kind of stuff.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 07:43 PM
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15. troops come home
but we got them under our thumb since 1945 so i doubt that's gonna happen.

peace
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:54 PM
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9. Thanks for the info
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:59 PM
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10. I'd like to know what the intended "message" was by this band.
I always seek context.
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Elise Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:38 PM
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11. and I wouldn't
understood that performance art is 'in the eye of the beholder' ... but, no matter the intended "message," this is just plain sickening. I am so sorry for the family of the Japanese man who was beheaded: what an awful thing to have happen. Bet it triggered PTSD.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:40 PM
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12. Huh???
Whatever.
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Elise Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:44 PM
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13. Sorry if I wasn't clear
Let me try again:

The context matters not to me when something so obviously careless and hurtful to innocents happens, even if it happens under the guise of 'art' (concert).
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 07:57 PM
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18. The context of "art" has proven to be a catapult of positive change,...
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 07:58 PM by Just Me
,...time over and over,...in our history.

What may emotionally capture you as "careless and hurtful to innocents",...could be a depiction of truth that must be faced.

Moreover,...those "innocents" may find greater gratification in being acknowledged than you assume.

it is a question of "what" constitutes protection,...
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:00 PM
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19. Wow.
Did you go to school to come up with those deep ideas?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:25 PM
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21. Being human requires no education,...
,...acknowledging it,...is a matter of choice.

There is only one "race",...the human one.

When we race, together, towards a better world,...that will be THE competition I'll embrace.
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Elise Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:59 AM
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25. Referring you
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 08:59 AM by Elise
to post 24.

Give me a break!

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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 07:50 PM
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17. Yup, Deity Forbid...
anyone should see what is happening in Iraq. :eyes:

Jay
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Elise Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:56 AM
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24. What are you talking about?
Do you think the people attending the concert in Japan were unaware of the beheading of the Japanese hostage?

:eyes:
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 07:43 PM
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16. REALITY
SHOCK-n-AWE

:shrug:

peace
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:07 PM
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23. I think you have a point
If this was part of an authentic anti-war message being promoted by the musical group it would be very different than if it was just part of a cheap shock stunt. Context is always relevant. Of course, even well motivated tactics can backfire on a cause.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:52 AM
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26. According to Yahoo! Japan, Klack is (was?) a new "visual-type rock group"
so maybe they were using the video just for its shock value. According to the writer of the following blog (in Japanese), the showing of the video on a giant screen behind the group while they performed was in extremely bad taste.

http://katsuo.jugem.cc/?eid=67

Apparently, there has been so much negative response that Klack's Web site no longer exists. The writer of the blog thinks Klack might have "run away".

Former Web address of Klack:
http://www.klack.ne.jp
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:39 PM
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32. So this is either in the "backfire" or "shock tactic" category
Either way, not such a good idea, in this case. I could imagine a scenario where this might have a positive value, for example a pro-war crowd that needed to see the reality of their position, and its consequences. I doubt very many Japanese are pro-war though. I seem to recall great reluctance from the population about the idea of sending troops, etc. to Iraq.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:20 PM
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33. You recall correctly
The Cabinet's (Prime Minister's) approval rating is at a very dismal 37%, and sinking, in large part because of the decision to keep the Self-Defense Forces contingent in Iraq for another year, a decision which was made without consulting the opposition parties.
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