Most Russians sorry USSR gone

[bin.dare]

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/doc/HotNews.html#64601

Most Russians sorry USSR gone, upbeat about CIS - poll
Interfax. Wednesday, Dec. 29, 2004, 9:32 PM Moscow Time

MOSCOW. Dec 29 (Interfax) - Pollsters say 67% of Russia's population regret the collapse of the Soviet Union and that 58% of Russians consider their country's relations with other members of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) "normal," "friendly," or "good- neighborly."
The Yury Levada Analytical Center said 26% of Russians are glad the Soviet Union has fallen apart

[ronnykmarshall]

1. So they want to be ......

.......back in the US, back in the US, BACK IN THE USSR??

[buddysmellgood]

2. You don't know how lucky you aaaare boy.

[ronnykmarshall]

4. Well those Leinngrad girls really knock me out ....

[txaslftist]

10. I could leave the west behind...

[ronnykmarshall]

14. and Moscow girls make me sing and shout...

[buddysmellgood]

15. That Georgia's always always on my mi mi mi mi mi mi mind.

[aikido15]

21. Funny!

<-------- and one of my favorite songs!:hippie:

[coreystone]

24. "those Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the west behind",,eom

[Spinzonner]

3. Well, I can see how being a colonial power was more fun

[podnoi]

5. They don't have confidence the alternative is any better

They didn't like the old system per se, but they are loosing confidence in alternatives and don't believe democracy takes care of the people any better.

Too bad there is so little true democracy and social justice these days. It is making the world want to throw out the "baby with the bathwater".

[Benhurst]

6. Yeah, and we're sorry the Republic is gone. I guess that's what

happens to a country when it lavishes all its resources on a corrupt military and international adventures.

[Boosterman]

18. Wow never see anyone refer to us as a Republic anymore

Actually one of my pet peeves. Ty

[MisterP]

7. but-but the Thatcherites tell us everyone's as pleased as punch

with St. Boris and selling off vast tracts of land and nature for pennies on the dollar to oligarchs and rampant gangsterism!

[agincourt]

8. Their last 5 years,

they were helping with global stability more than hurting it. Evil Empires always die when they find useful work.

[txaslftist]

11. I hope we find useful work soon.....

[Sara Beverley]

9. At the rate Bush is going, he will put the USSR together again.

Just another form or name will be used.

[despairing optimist]

12. So are most US conservatives

Until terra hit, they had only queers to work with. Who knows; their horn of plenty may yet hold a hammer and sickle once more. Give Putin a chance.

[xchrom]

13. putin's working on it, damn it!

give him a chance -- he's peddling as fast as he can.

[many a good man]

16. And most Democrats sorry USA gone

Sorry. Couldn't resist...

[loudsue]

19. LOL! That was my FIRST thought when I read the thread title....

"We feel your pain, Russia!!"

Democracy was nice while it lasted, too! :cry:

:kick::kick:

[preciousdove]

17. Talking with a Ukrainian Immigrant Monday

He says that prices are the same there as here but doctors only get $1000 a month, policeman $70. Mobsters control almost everything. People are trying to get family into the west to send money home.

His grandparents came to the US about 1900 from Poland and sold out what they had gained here and moved to the Ukraine and bought a good farm. The Soviets took the farm. He said they were fighting the Russians until 1956 trying to be independent.

Ukraine "bread basket of Europe". Fought the Germans and the Russians simultaneously. Home of skater Oxana Buyul(sorry I don't know the spelling).

[sleipnir]

20. This marks the beginning of the end.

The Hegel "wave" will be completed and the truth will set the people of the world free. The return of social government is back at hand and nothing but a torrent of negative energy, could possibly redirect the flow of the new wave. The end will be noted for decades after the fact.

[Dirk39]

22. What did you expect?

Since the Sovietunion was destroyed by Gorbatchev - one of the most stupid politicians of the last century - the life expectancy rate has dropped about 5 years in the former USSR. The situation of the majority of the people is far worse than ever before.
There's still no democracy, but there's the worst kind of capitalism, one could imagine.

As stupid Gorbatchev - one of the most hated man in the former USSR and one of the most popular man in the corporate media world everywhere else - might have been: if only the Leninists and Stalinists would have been successfull in explaining, what a "free market" means.

Everything is wrong, but hating Gorbatchev can't be wrong in the stupid world we live in.
Hello from Germany,
Dirk

[FDRrocks]

23. A yearn for the long, lost days of Collectivism?

I have a feeling that this is rather similar to the rise of the Religous Right/Grand Newest Major Party/Neocons.

Most societal ills can be traced back to upbringing and education. In both Russia and here, it seems to be very bad.

An intelligent Russian might want a socialist or even communist government... but they most certainly do not want the USSR back.

This is alot worse than if German polls said they wanted Nazi autonomy back.

When Kruschev went down, so did any hope for a mildly decent outcome to the grand experiment.

[Disturbed]

25. The former Communist party members...

by and large went Capitalist with a gusto. Most of the people that were working class got the short end of the rapid turn over. I need to read about the transition in more detail but wonder why the nation didn't go the Democratic Socialism route.The Soviet Union fell way short of the goal of Communism and their expansionistic goals were foolish. The leadership, as in most countries, didn't give a damn about the people or the environment, only their own power.

[Bridget Burke]

26. It's definitely something I need to study more, as well.

Surely, anybody could see the transition from the old economy would be painful. There were jobs, medical care & a safety net for the old, even if opportunity was limited & consumer goods scarce. Did any of the Western nations offer to help?

Would any US advisors have recommended the Democratic Socialism route? Or did they push for 100% Capitalism? It hasn't worked out well for most Russians.