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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:29 PM
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China spying on us: CSIS
Visiting students, scientists steal Canadian technology

OTTAWA - China's intelligence services have systematically targeted Canada's science and technology sectors and use Chinese students and visiting scientists to steal technology for military use and to enhance the country's global economic competitiveness, a senior intelligence source says.

In its annual report to Parliament, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service warns foreign spies are seeking to acquire ''Canada's scientific and technological developments, critical economic and information infrastructure, military and other classified information, putting at risk Canada's national security.''

CSIS does not cite a specific country, but a high-level intelligence source identifies China as the ''most aggressive'' in seeking to illegally acquire Canadian technology.

China uses visiting students, scientists, business people and delegations to obtain industrial secrets and high-technology that will benefit Chinese companies and its military-industrial complex, said the source, who asked not to be identified for national security reasons.


http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=37b387ac-9e56-4407-91b3-27897c92d103
Guess that we have to take the publisher at his word as the source wishes to remain anonymous. Sounds familiar.

Here we go. Free enterprise, but only for the certain capitalists.

Don't look at this!
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/09/1526251&mode=thread&tid=25


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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:32 PM
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1. Will somebody please
get rid of CSIS and turn the dept back over to the RCMP?

CSIS is the most paranoid bunch of people.....and always making wild accusations.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:33 PM
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2. The Staement
Was made by the Post.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:38 PM
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5. CSIS said it.
NatPost just reported it
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:40 PM
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6. Would You Kindly
Provide the reference.

Thank You
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:41 PM
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7. It's right in the part you posted !
Didn't you read it??
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:44 PM
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8. What I Posted
Is a headline from the Post. The source is an unnamed official.

Please re-read the post and the article and provide a relevant reference for your assertion.

Thank You
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:50 PM
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9. Its from their annual report
to Parliament, with remarks from a senior intelligence official.

Who do you think it is, the janitor? A NatPost reporter?

It's an accurate report about CSIS from CSIS.

Why are you getting snippy with me over something you posted, but apparently can't read??
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:56 PM
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11. It Is
An unnamed source.

Again I would ask that you re-read the article.

Yes we can expect that we are being spied upon. In times of peace spying is done for economic advantage.

Nowhere in the article do I see that China is the country identified as spying upon us.

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:22 PM
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13. Okay have it your way
the unnamed senior intelligence official was really the janitor.

Nobody is spying on us, and CSIS made no report at all.

Why did you post this then? Sheesh.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:00 PM
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16. If You
Read or listen/watch the second reference that I posted, then it will show how the economic system is being influenced by matters outside of the profit sheet that is put in front of us.
Also it is an item that may be put up as a reason to bloc the purchase of some of the companies that are harvesting our resources.

This would tend to reduce the fair price that we deserve for our resources.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:33 PM
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3. Consider the source
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 09:33 PM by Newsjock
National Post = CanWest = Canada's Murdoch-lite.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:35 PM
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4. Wouldn't Call
It lite. Except that they do not have the resources yet. But in every other category I would say that they match or exceed Murder Doc.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:51 PM
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10. "Free enterprise" for some,...self-preservation for the rest.
Funny how we excuse our own similar intrusions,...while simultaneously condemning others for engaging in defensive actions.

*sigh*

We started it.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:22 PM
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12. Is it really so easy to do?
"China uses visiting students, scientists, business people and delegations to obtain industrial secrets and high-technology that will benefit Chinese companies and its military-industrial complex, said the source, who asked not to be identified for national security reasons."


Is our security really that bad? If so, what's preventing my waspy-Canadian self from doing exactly the same thing for my own nefarious schemes?
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:53 PM
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14. This is nothing new
Both the Chinese and the French are quite notorious in their industrial espionage activities.

It's naive to dismiss such reports as paranoia.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:59 PM
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15. Well, duh. China... and everyone else is spying on everyone
hello, what else is new?
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