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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:41 PM
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Colo. Town Won't Name Street for Commander
LONGMONT, Colo. -- City officials will rename a street honoring a Civil War-era colonel blamed for the slaughter of more than 150 Indians at an encampment southeast of Denver.

"It was racist and insensitive to the Native American community," activist Glenn Sagnuolo said after the City Council vote Tuesday night to rename Chivington Drive.

Militiamen under the command of Col. John Chivington launched an unprovoked attack on a Cheyenne and Arapahoe encampment at Sand Creek in 1864. Most of the dead were elderly men, women and children.

About 100 people urged the council to scrap the street name rather than install a plaque explaining the Sand Creek Massacre.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-massacre-street-name,0,6358668.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:59 PM
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1. For more on Chivington and Sand Creek
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 11:59 PM by happyslug
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:03 AM
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2. wasn't Custer part of that?
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:14 AM
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3. No Custer finished off Battle Kettle three years later.
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 12:17 AM by happyslug
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:25 AM
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6. If memory serves, it was Black Kettle.
He had made peace for his bands and was given an American flag. He was told that as long as the American flag flew above his village, he would be considered a friend and he need never fear being attacked.
Of course, Black Kettle was standing under his flag when his village was attacked and virtually wiped out...including fetuses cut from their mothers' bellies....genitals of both sexes cut away from the bodies for souvenirs and tobacco pouches.
Even in his own time Chivington was denounced as a war criminal...but of course he was never prosecuted.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:15 AM
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4. No...
this was in 1864, when Custer was still fighting Confederates in the East instead of massacring natives in the West.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:22 AM
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5. Jesus H. Christ! Chivington?!
Why not Pol Pot, Stalin or Mao?
This man was a war criminal guilty of the most obscene atrocities!
Shit! War really is peace! Ignorance really is strength!
IF those signs go up, it might be worth a trip to Colorado to bring them down.
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argyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 05:41 AM
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7. Chivington was also a minister. He believed it was his Godly duty to kill
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 05:44 AM by argyl
Indians.Some things don't change.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:15 PM
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8. That was BEFORE he fought at Sand Creek
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 12:54 PM by happyslug
And no one ever hired him as a Preacher AFTER Sand Creek (Neither was he elected to any political position do to his actions at Sand Creek).
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:30 PM
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10. Issue festering for some time in Longmont
Before this vote, as a compromise, they were going to keep the street name and put up a monument.

The monument was shocking: a picture of Chivington shooting a woman who was sitting down. Maybe they'll name the street Sand Creek Memorial Drive to show their contrition for the original name.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:29 PM
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9. Lots of streets here need to renamed: named after TRAITORS and KILLERS

Lee Highway
Beuregard Street
Picket Street


Almost all the streets in Alexandria Virginia are named after Civil War Generals, traitors to America, who sent their soldiers into MASSIVE SLAUGHTERS killing 10,000 or 20,000 soldiers a DAY, and KILLING civilian farmers, burning them alive in their homes....


It makes me sick that Virginia HONORS these criminals all over the State...


I like the idea of people REJECTING the preacher after Sand Creek...that's the social activism that can make a difference...here in Virginia, people do NOT reject racists and bigots and criminals, and HONOR people like jerry "Kill-all-the-Muslims" farwell and Pat Robertson....I reject those people, but when I say something about how offensive these people are, MOST Virginians slam me for objecting to jerry and pat and their PRO-killing and PRO-racism stands.....bush* encourages and fuels this too....
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