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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:00 PM
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Democrat Declared Wash. Governor-Elect
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20041230/ap_on_el_gu/washington_governor

After three vote tallies and 58 days of waiting, Democrat Christine Gregoire was declared Washington's governor-elect on Thursday. But her Republican rival did not concede and wants a new election.

Secretary of State Sam Reed, a Republican, certified Gregoire, the three-term attorney general, as the winner of the closest governor's race in state history. She won a statewide hand recount by a scant 129 votes out of more than 2.8 million cast.

But Republican candidate Dino Rossi, a former state legislative leader and real-estate investor, said the election was hopelessly flawed and that the Legislature should authorize a new election. He won both of the earlier counts.

Rossi also held open the possibility of contesting the election in the courts.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:02 PM
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1. Dino Loser should move on
:evilgrin:
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:05 PM
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9. I think he should fight it as long as possible
make himself and his party out to be more the fool
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:07 PM
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11. Move on, Dino...move on.
Washington is "blue." Get over it!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:02 PM
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2. Poor Dino ...
such a SORE LOSERMAN!!!
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:03 PM
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5. He's a Dino-sore! n/t
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:03 PM
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3. Damn Repukes
They just hate it when ALL the votes get counted.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:03 PM
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4. So I guess the Repubs only look for new elections when they lose, eh?
Funny how quickly Rossi's tune changed when the results did.

Bastard.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:10 PM
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14. Repukes don't care who the true winner is...
...only who is declared winner first. I hope they are enjoying their crow :evilgrin:
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 03:03 AM
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42. or when exit polls in another country are suspect...
Can you believe the hypocrisy of these guys? We are called "conspiracy theorists" and "tin foil hat wearers" for questioning the validity of an election. The rethugs do it, and that is fine.
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diddlysquat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:05 PM
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6. Dino Rossi has scheduled a news conference at 1:30 pst and
Christine Gregoire has one scheduled at 2:00.
Should be interesting.
No link. heard it on NW News
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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:05 PM
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7. wah wah wah!
Dino Rossi is such a sore LOSER! I guess if you're a Repug and you don't like the election results, then you ask for a new election. GET OVER IT, Repugs!
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:05 PM
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8. Get over THAT, byotch!
:evilgrin:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:06 PM
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10. Haha! real-estate investor.
You might as well put in: White Collar felon to-be, opportunist private sector bastard, leecher of the public sector.

Bastards! If they are involved in real estate or a member of the Chamber of Commerce, we should eliminate them from any public sector job. And that includes judgeships.

What we have is a government which has been stripped of its good civil servants and has been over-taken by corporatists.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:07 PM
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12. suck it chris vance
its been BROUGHT, bitch!

as bob said: "how does it FEEL?"
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:10 PM
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13. Congratulations, Governor-elect Gregoire
The Republicans should just "get over it".
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:11 PM
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15. Rossi says "the election was hopelessly flawed "!
He sure wasn't saying anything like that when he was in the lead. In fact, he and his fellow repukes were trying to stop any more recounts, saying what faith he has in our election process! What a hypocrite!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:21 PM
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16. For me, it affirms the ethical validity of Rawls' "veil of ignorance" ...
... paradigm in "A Theory of Justice." In short, he asserts that our systems (economic, political, etc.) would achieve their greatest degree of justice if, when designing them, we were ignorant of our circumstance under those systems and whether or not we'd disproportionately benefit from any 'tilt' in the playing field.

It's akin to the strategy employed by parents of two children having but one candy bar. One child gets to cut it in half and the other child gets to pick which half. It's observed that the child with the knife acts in the most just manner possible for them, since that child has the "veil of ignorance" regarding which half of the candy bar they'll get out of the deal.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 02:39 AM
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39. A great book
Rawls had an excellent insight with the veil of ignorance. I still remember it from a first year Political Science course. Who would advocate slavery, if there was a fair chance one would be a slave themselves?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 11:39 AM
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43. It's a deontological approach, rather than utilitarian.
That, of course, appeals to me. It's in concert with Kant's Categorical Imperative. My problem with a utilitarian approach to 'justice' is that it treats people as a means to achieve a systemic ("larger") goal wherein (only some) people are the presumed beneficiaries. That's a "two steps back, one forward" logic it seems to me.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 05:26 PM
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45. Those are almost precisely the terms my polisci prof used
"Deontological" rather than utilitarian. You don't hear that word very often. But you have summed it up nicely.
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vickie Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:27 PM
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17. Get over it, Dino! Move on ya loser.......
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:34 PM
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18. I hope that Mr. Rossi understands that we need to come together....
now and unite behind Governor Gregoire. In these challenging times we need unity, not divisive fighting.

I also hope that the Republicans in the State House will respect her mandate to govern as such. That fact that every vote was counted is proof that she is the rightful winner of this race.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:43 PM
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19. Received letter from Washington State Democrats

Dear Friend,

WE HAVE A GOVERNOR!

Today, Secretary of State Sam Reed certifies the final election results. Chris Gregoire is our new governor-elect.

Whatever hysterical attacks the Republicans launch, Chris Gregoire will be sworn in as governor on January 12th and start her work as governor for the people of Washington State.

While we have set our sights forward to a Gregoire administration, Dino Rossi can't seem to see straight. Yesterday, in an act of utter desperation, he called for a new election.

Now, you might expect me, the State Party Chair, to say things like 'sore loser' or 'give it up, Dino.' But I don?t have to.

Why not? Because Republicans, Democrats, and Independents alike are already saying it for me. Newspapers that endorsed Rossi have said it's done. Republican auditors across the state agree it's over. The Republican Secretary of State said it is finished.

Senator Rossi himself said 'I trust the voters, not lawyers.' Unless Rossi's changed his mind, it's over.

Last night, in one breath Dino Rossi said a long drawn out process would hurt Washington State, and then asked for a second election.

He says he wants to move Washington forward, but he wants to re-do November 3rd.

He says he wants to spend $4 million of taxpayer money to have a new election because he's upset he lost this one.

Rossi didn't think the election was a "total mess" when he was in the lead. When he was in the legislature he voted for the process we just finished: a machine recount and a hand count to get the final and most accurate results. But now that he is behind he's changed his tune.

This vote have been checked, double checked and triple checked by hundreds of Democratic and Republican observers and counters all across the state.

Dino Rossi calling for a new election is absurd, it's desperate, and it's hypocritical.

Make your voice heard! Write a letter to the editor and tell Dino Rossi and his friends to stop with the nonsense, and join us in moving our state forward!

Today, we have our governor-elect. Thank you for all you have done to make this possible.

Sincerely,


Paul Berendt
Chair of the Washington State Democrats

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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:45 PM
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20. he can have a new election in 4 years
til the, STFU!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:46 PM
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21. Wheeeeeeee !
:D
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:47 PM
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22. The Republicans aren't going to give up easy like John Kerry did!
That's how the game is played. If you can't win, at least do everything you can do undermine the other guy/woman.

The Republicans keep fighting, win or lose. Too many Democrats give up too easily and we end up losing even when we win a lot of the time.

At least Gregoire was a Democrat willing to fight even when it might have seemed unpopular, unlike Kerry.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:50 PM
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23. I agree.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:07 PM
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24. good point. Gregoire 2008!
she's now demonstrated that she is the only democrat with stones.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:10 PM
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25. Hey Rossi... Get Over It...
Remember 2000?

Poor whining little labor hating assclown. Piss off.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:19 PM
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26. go team! One for the good guys!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:01 PM
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27. But but so many want to reach out to the repugs
in unity! Surely they will respond to unity for the best of the state? They wouldn't want to disrupt or be divisive? Shame. He should give a much lauded concession speech, be a gentleman. Isn't that what we usually do? Wouldn't it be awesome if a Dem stood up and called the Presedential election"hopelessly flawed'?
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:05 PM
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28. Beautiful...
Im sure the people of Washington are upset over not being able to be governed by someone namedDino Rossi.

:toast:
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 05:58 PM
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29. Another Republican view on re-votes
But Republican candidate Dino Rossi, a former state legislative leader and real-estate investor, said the election was hopelessly flawed and that the Legislature should authorize a new election. He won both of the earlier counts.

Meanwhile.....

Raleigh – Senate Republican Leader Phil Berger has criticized as “purely partisan” and “political gamesmanship” a decision by the State Board of Elections to hold a new statewide election for Commissioner of Agriculture.

Berger said, “a new statewide election will be expensive and is unlikely to draw as much attention as the November race. The three and a half million North Carolinians who voted in the Commissioner of Agriculture race in November deserve to have their votes counted. North Carolina elected a new Agriculture Commissioner who should be allowed to begin his term on time, on January 15.”
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 08:15 PM
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30. Now that's how you do it!
I'm still convinced we would have won 2004 if Kerry wouldn't have thrown in the towel in a matter of hours.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:03 PM
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31. Go Gregoire!
You just can't cave in to the cheaters.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:05 PM
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32. And the Repukes whined nonstop about Gore
simply because he actually wanted all the ballots counted.

Now this loser loses, all the ballots are counted, and he whines and wants a new election. Imagine if Gore called for a revote.
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JMS825 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:14 PM
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33. I have a solution
Give Dino Rossi a new election inWash. in return Ohio gets a new election
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 02:27 AM
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38. I totally agree.
Let's rerun Ohio with a hand recount.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:17 PM
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34. What's his reason? Does he suspect fraud?
Does he have proof or is he wearing a :tinfoilhat:
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:15 PM
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35. He wants a revote? Pay 4 it sucka
If Dino Rossi wants a revote of this election, then maybe he and his GOP buddies should gin up the buckaronis like the Democratic Party did for sponsoring the manual recount.

Until then he should be a gentleman and concede.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:22 PM
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36. I doublel dog dare them to try to take this to the supreme court
which in their bush v gore case said that recounts would damage bush...BUT that their ruling could not be used to set precedent (a historic role of the court.) Try to use this... and crack wide open the 2000 election decision at the very time when there are growing public questions about the validity/integrity of the most recent elections. The levels on which such a case and ruling could damage public perception of the GOP are multiple... with few outcomes that leave the GOP and their court's reputation unscathed.
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JMS825 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 12:41 AM
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37. Dino has alot of nerve
he was on faux news crying how the recount was flawed and the whole election was flawed cause the rules kept changing and how if he lost the first 2 recounts and won the last one he would want a revote....GOP seems to be master of BS and theft...next you will hear I know the dems stole washington cause they did it the same way we did ohio opps
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 02:43 AM
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40. He wants a re-vote
The Ukraine was the template for this. In that case, the move may have been warranted, but the Republicans will take up this theme whenever an election goes against them. When it goes for them, by fair means or foul, they will rule out a re-vote as the wailing of a sore loser. Count on it.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 02:46 AM
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41. Hopelessly flawed?
I keep hearing the GOP say this, but now explanation as to WHY it's hopelessly flawed?

Is it hopelessly flawed because he lost?

Is it hopelessly flawed because all the votes were counted?

Care to explain Dino?
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 12:07 PM
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44. Dino fades in Wash.
Does WA have a re-call law?
If so then the Repug might challege her in the future.
That's what happened to Gray Davis in CA.



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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 06:01 PM
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46. waaahhhhhhh........
big baby sore loser. Just get over it.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 06:05 PM
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47. His New Name: DINO LOSSI n/t
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 07:58 PM
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48. Washington doesn't have a recall provision do they?
If they do and it's like California's, be prepared for that onslaught next, just like the Repukes did to Davis when they couldn't beat him in the regular election here in California. I'm sure the Repukes in Washington will also try to find ways to return a lot less federal tax money to Washington like they did to California to help build up Washington's deficit and point a finger at Gregoire too.

Maybe if they threaten to do that, you threaten back a secession proposition to tag along with it or something like that.
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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 10:01 PM
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49. I don't know but if it happened in CA I'm sure it could happen in WA
and that's what I'm worried about...
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:44 AM
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50. Kick
A big woohoo!!! :toast: :party:
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