MSNBC cover page picked up WP: Uranium cut out in Oct. story!!!!

[Room101]

I;m waiting for the other whores to pick it up!

http://www.msnbc.com/news/default.asp?0ct=-34e

DRIP DRIP DRIP

[classics]

1. GUSH GUSH GUSH

This thing is blowing wide open... I think his own party is going to eat him over this.

[study_war_no_more]

20. This is just the beginning

LIHOP is coming over the hill like a big black bear heading straight for the bull!!!!

[Augspies]

2. Nah...drip, drip, DRIP is over

It is now Pound, POUND, POUND..., as in the one more nail in the coffin of this corrupt administration.

This means that the Media is not going to take Friday's bait, and that means that its time for Bush to send Condi out for the extra tube of K-Y; because, this admin and everyone in it is F***ED.


Jeremy

[acmavm]

3. I think this is a good thing, no a great thing, but....

why is everyone concentrating on just one lie? There are about 450 proven lies by this Administration. Why aren't they being pounced on? NOW is the time.

[absolutezero]

7. Just like Watergate

This will snowball....the whole bunch of bullshit....They lied to many times and the corporate media, with lower rating after the war needs more viewers...if that means turning on commander bunnypants then so be it

[Equinox]

34. It's not happening soon enough...

this admin has gotten away with so much under the pretense of PATRIOTISM. They'll invent new stuff to get them out of this mess. Our media is a joke. They are run by the same corporations that keeps this admins approval ratings high. It's our countries baby steps to Fascism via propaganda and fear.

[Jackpine Radical]

26. Be thankful that the focus is negative.

The press can (maybe) manage to stay focused on one lie for a while. 200 or 400 lies is 'way beyond the cognitive overload point for any of the so-called journalists pursuing the trade today. (And I say "pursuing" the trade because none of them have caught it yet.)

[TankLV]

37. Opps - just missed the window of opportunity - comming up "the Kobi Briant

Affiar".

Looks like they have their distractions in place already!

[0007]

38. Don't worrry all the lies will be exposed

*

[dansolo]

58. Start with one lie

The biggest hurdle is to get the public to stop deluding themselves that Bush is incapable of lying. After that point, people will be far more receptive to the facts about all of the hundreds of other lies.

[Punkingal]

4. sounds like....

Mr. Cheney was really pushing this....

[JNelson6563]

5. I love this part

“The information was available within the system that should have caught this kind of big mistake,” a former Bush administration official said. “The question is how the management of the system, and the process that supported it, allowed this kind of misinformation to be used and embarrass the president.”

heh heh Wonder who THAT might be.....? ;-)

Julie

[indictrichardperle]

6. Lets see ?

hmmmmm ? would it be a dick with ears, who lies alot ?

[JNelson6563]

13. could be...

not sure really, suspects abound. ;-) That should whip the Freepers into a frenzie eh? haha

Julie

[calimary]

15. Well, as Deep Throat said during Watergate -

FOLLOW THE MONEY. WHO has the most to gain?

[DagmarK]

8. AMEN!!!!!!

I would predict everyone but Faux will pick this up. But eventually Faux will have to. This will take some O.T. to figure out how to continue the BJ for Bush* AND report anything having to do with this.

[osaMABUSh]

9. Cut in Oct. speech ends up in '03 SOTU - Cheney's head is next!

Direct Link

http://www.msnbc.com/news/938198.asp?0cv=CA00

"The new disclosure suggests how eager the White House was in January to make Iraq’s nuclear program a part of its case against Saddam Hussein even in the face of earlier objections by its own CIA director. It also appears to raise questions about the administration’s explanation of how the faulty allegations were included in the State of the Union speech."

Do I smell a cover up?


"As Bush left Africa yesterday to return to Washington from a five-day trip overshadowed by the intelligence blunder, he was asked whether he considered the matter over. “I do,” he replied. White House press secretary Ari Fleischer told reporters yesterday that “the president has moved on. And I think, frankly, much of the country has moved on, as well.”"

Sorry, Ari America has not moved on - in fact, they are just waking up to the BFEE (by the way I thought you already resigned.)


"But it is clear from the new disclosure about Tenet’s intervention last October that the controversy continues to boil, and as new facts emerge a different picture is being presented than the administration has given to date."

"Administration sources said White House officials, particularly those in the office of Vice President Cheney, insisted on including Hussein’s quest for a nuclear weapon as a prominent part of their public case for war in Iraq."

After Tenet resigns Cheney will be next to take a hit!

[indictrichardperle]

10. "those in the office of Veep"

That is naming Scooter Libby.

Neo-con slime-bag and former attorney of Marc Rich.

[calimary]

16. Actually, it could very well be that "the president has moved on."

Maybe to a nice spot on the unemployment line? The office of a criminal defense lawyer? An elegant, orange jumpsuit?

[rppper]

24. me-thinks ari was trying to make an early break.......

....from the regime when he announced he was stepping down, but apparently this blew open before he abandon ship...run ari, run.....

[indypaul]

33. Do you think he would

be so kind as to advise the public if any of his previous
statements are "no longer operational." (With all respects
to the memory of Ron Ziegler).

[Nottingham]

31. Cheney is soo toast!

I wonder how the pacemaker is doing! :bounce:

[Jack Rabbit]

11. Again, no one in the junta cares about the truth

For a capsule explanation, please click here.

[tjdee]

12. "Tenet argued personally."

George Tenet, sayonara.

Can they still blame this on Clinton, cause they'll try.

[classics]

14. There was a Yahoo news story earlier today.

It actually made a case for blaming it on Clinton, in a whory round-about way by suggesting Tenet was 'the last holdout of the Clinton administration'.

Now if they can just pin it on Clenis, it will be a lock LOL.

[LiberalFighter]

46. And a proper rebuttal?

I would suggest:
1) Tenet is not political he is career even though he was appointed
2) Tenet was appointed by Bush therefore Bush is responsible
3) Why doesn't Bush fire him?

[neuvocat]

48. Exactly.

Its been well over 3 years. However the typical freeper rebuttal to your logical argument will probably be something like "Oh why can't someone just be allowed to make an honest mistake? He's only human for Godsakes. You stop picking on poor little W right this instant."

[sham]

17. ah, the sheeple are fickle, aren't they.

The media got used to covering Clinton's penis every day for years. Then it was the election. Then 9/11. And when things finally started to settle down again, Britney Spears announced that she wasn't a virgin and Bush handed them a war to cover. Now all they left have are Laci Peterson and a resurrection (so to speak) of the Jon-Benet Ramsey story. (The are burying the story of the continuing Iraq war because it only makes them look bad.) That's why the media are going to jump on this story. And it will snowball. When the sheeple begin to eat it up, more and more lies will come out. (i.e. The story now surfacing about the * lies re: Saddam and Al Qaeda.)The only way this is going to fade away is if something BIG happens. (Terrorist attack? Sniper? Ol' Ronnie finally croaks?)

[Fovea]

49. I doubt that the Gipper taking one for the team

would even make a dent in this.

[newyawker99]

52. Hi sham!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[proud patriot]

18. Be sure to rate MSNBC articles

:hi:

[farmboxer]

19. Bush Lies Everyday!

I don't think he can talk without a couple of lies!

[zekeson]

32. As resurrected the other day on these boards..

and I don't recall who it was attributed to:

You know how you can tell if he (in this case *) is lying?

If his lips are moving.

Old old

[cboy4]

21. There's a photo of Big Dick Cheney

on the Wash Post web site showing him clutching his heart during a ceremony for the new Reagan aircraft carrier.

I was thinking it's because the national anthem was playing but considering this latest revelation, I'm almost certain now he was having a stroke.

[kskiska]

22. What a wonderful "welcome home from Africa" story!

…and he thought it was over.

[IndianaGreen]

23. Bush lied in Sept 14 Radio Address

My gratitude to fellow DUer VaLabor for posting this gem in the new Foreign Affairs forum (in which the Israel/Palestinian conflict is kept in a sub-forum, away from the more serious and sober discussions of foreign policy).

This is such a wonderful piece of information, in which Bush himself contradicts his statement about the CIA keeping the truth from him:

Bush lied in Sept 14 Radio Address

"Today this regime likely maintains stockpiles of chemical and biological agents, and is improving and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical and biological weapons. Today Saddam Hussein has the scientists and infrastructure for a nuclear weapons program, and has illicitly sought to purchase the equipment needed to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon. Should his regime acquire fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear weapon within a year."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020914.html

Posted by VaLabor here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=116&topic_id=185&mesg_id=185&page=

[Equinox]

36. Didn't we use

..depleted uranium in Gulf War 1 and in Iraqi Freedom and in Afghanastan? We are the rogue nation using illegal weapons. I don't see why no one calls us on it. Our soldiers our sick. The Iraqis are sick. But we got away with murder, literally.

60 billion years (if I remember correctly) is how long depleted uranium takes to decay. That's longer than the universe has been in existence!

[chasqui]

40. Its depleted

The problem with depleted uranium is not radiation. Although there is some radiation emanating from this material, it is probably not greater than the regular background radiation that is commonly present pretty much everywhere. The issue with depleted uranium is that uranium metal is quite noxious stuff, as the body has no way to metablize it, and once ingested it stays in your body. This is simple chemical poisoning.

[Equinox]

43. Either way it's dangerous...

and illegal if memory serves me correctly.

[arikara]

45. Its still very radioactive

The term “depleted uranium” is very misleading since uranium 238 is not all that depleted. “Depleted” uranium is the leftovers of the uranium enrichment process when 235 - the fissionable portion has been removed. It is still very radioactive.

Its a waste product that has been piling up and they didn't have a way to dispose of it. They have discovered that its more dense than lead and its cheap. Now they are spreading it all over the other countries that they are attacking, killing civilians and the environment. It should be a war crime to use it, maybe some day it will if not too late.

http://www.sanjhb.com/writing/dangers.html
http://www.peacehost.net/PacifistNation/CaldicottAndDU.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ss/stories/s580857.htm


The term "depleted uranium" falls into the same misinformation category as compassionate conservatism, detainees in Guantanamo; and CNN and Faux delivering the "news".

[Equinox]

47. I believe it is a war crime...

I could be wrong, but if we knowingly use depleted uranium in civilian areas (knowing the repercussions of what we are doing), then it is a war crime. Of course, it could be spun a million different ways.

Geneva Conventions state that you can't ruin the health infrastructure of another country (the Iragi water supply is contaminated)....correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a war crime.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

53. Purchasing equipment and purchasing yellow cake are two diff. things...

Though, I think this statement by his doofusness only underscores the ramping up of war rhetoric to fit a preordained plan, it doesn't add anything to the yellow cake debacle.

Nice capture, though. Maybe we should save all the WH news releases we can from this period...lord knows, the fascists in this administration are likely to scrub a word or two.

Regards,
JB

[revcarol]

25. I had forgotten some of the other lies.....

and I thought at least I was paying attention.

Time to dust off those satellite photos showing that atomic facilities were being rebuilt and get them under control, I guess. <sarcasm>

[union_maid]

27. The State of the Union lie means more

Lying to the people is SOP for this administration. Actually for most of them, I guess, but we all knew that this one was particularly balls out about it. But the State of the Union address isn't a tradition. It's a mandated report to the nation and Congress. So telling a direct, actual lie in it is just a more substantial offense than simply tell in the Lie du Jour.

[4dsc]

28. best line in the article

Today, with U.S. troops dying in Iraq at a rate even the White House sees as politically unsustainable


:evilfrown:

[Skittles]

35. "POLITICALLY UNSUSTAINABLE"

:puke:

[Cooley Hurd]

29. Not on the front page anymore...

...and CNN & Faux are ignoring it! This is getting buried right before our eyes!

:grr:

[Maeve]

30. You've got to go to WashingtonPost.com highlights

On the bar under "News"--it's a WP exclusive right now. Let's see how it gets treated the next few days before we call it "buried."

[TrueBlueDem]

39. Other news sources are picking up the story.

Bloomberg:
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aBK73LLyPKMw&refer=us

Minneapolis Star Tribune:
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1762/3984915.html

News24:
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1386925,00.html

Reuters:
http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3080340

The Age:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/13/1058034872962.html

SpaceDaily:
http://www.spacewar.com/2003/030713120435.m6adns29.html

Voice of America:
http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=D539EEAA-BE3F-4157-A7493653CE705699


WXXI, NY:
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wxxi/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=520960

[concord]

42. It's today's lead story on AOL

This is not going away. I can feel it.

:bounce:

[TrueBlueDem]

41. It's currently the top rated story on Yahoo

(Keep in mind the ratings change constantly)

http://personal.news.yahoo.com/us/news/categories/901/index.html

#1 is the Reuters story, "CIA Stopped Iraq Nuclear Mention in Oct. Speech":

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030713/pl_nm/bush_iraq_uranium_dc

Be sure to rate the story a "5" to keep it at the top of the list.

[peterh]

44. This is a question I hope someone in Congress will be asking Tenet….

It is unclear why Tenet failed to intervene in January to prevent the questionable intelligence from appearing in the president’s address to Congress when Tenet had intervened three months earlier in a much less symbolic speech.


And Tenet will say something to the effect of: We warned the WH about the inclusion of that item, but when it was “re-worded”, we had no choice but to sign off on it as “factually correct” in that context. As we told the Brits, the data did not support the conclusion, but the Brits felt it did, so again, in that context, by referring to the Brit intel….rather than AMERICAN intel….the SOTU item was indeed factually correct.

And then the next question should be:
And why would you think the WH deemed the Brit intel superior to that of our own? And Tenet’s reply should be: Because the WH was cherry-picking intel to achieve a pre-desired conclusion rather than letting the data dictate the answers and our data just didn’t rise to that desired threshold.

<shit then really hits fan>

Alright, maybe a do live a dream world, but if Tenet tells the truth, I think it might play out this way.

[JDStutts]

50. The Chimp wants to move on.

Tough luck for him nobody else wants to.

[progressivebydesign]

51. But Bush considers this matter closed!!

Happy to see someone in the media and the CIA willing to get the story out.. drip.. drip.. drip..

[peacetalksforall]

54. drip drip D RIP

D(isaster of a regime) - rest in peace

[peacetalksforall]

55. D RIP

Destroyers - Rest in Peace

[peacetalksforall]

56. Drip D RIP

Dissentors - Rise in Protest

[kainah]

57. a prediction

MSNBC will be the network that breaks this open. They have nothing to lose, since everyone already considers them irrelevant in the cable news business, and everything to gain. They have been the only station I have been able to watch since about the middle of the "war." Buchanan & Press has been especially rewarding. Buchanan is pissed off because he was a speechwriter. He knows exactly how a SOTU is done and he has LOTS of questions. Watch for them to hit this hard.

[hatrack]

59. Well, the CIA Lie V1.0 held for all of three days . . .

Any bets on the duration of the next CondiGram or Rummy-Rum-Rumball?

Three days? Four? A week, maybe?

Definitely not Morning In America yet, but I think the eastern sky is at least a little more gray and a little less black.