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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 04:44 PM
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Gonzales gets mixed reviews - Nominee's torture memos concern lawyers
http://www.pjstar.com/stories/010705/TRI_B57PR8Q9.045.shtml

PEORIA - Alberto Gonzales, President Bush's pick to be the top lawman, got mixed reviews Thursday from area attorneys.
Some, like Peoria's Lee Smith, who represented alleged al Qaida member Ali S. al-Marri, say Gonzales appears to represent the views of the Bush administration but will likely take a lower profile than outgoing Attorney General John Ashcroft.

President Bush "is entitled to have the people in place to carry out his views," Smith said. "In my personal view, I disagree with the way the detainees have generally been handled by the administration."

Ed Yohnka, a spokesman for the Illinois chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, said his group does not take sides when a potential cabinet member is going through confirmation. However, he did say that the ACLU did have some concerns.

"These issues of torture and going outside the Geneva Convention as well as suggesting that the president could give immunity to people who violate domestic and international law are issues that the Senate ought to consider very seriously in this confirmation hearing," Yohnka said.

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Well, here is how the Gonzales appointment is playing in Peoria.

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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 04:48 PM
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1. President Bush "is entitled to have the people in place to carrry out his
views."

Does this include people like Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, and others of their ilk?

Advise and consent was never meant to be a blank check for an imbecile in the White House.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:09 AM
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5. Exactly. Presidents are not entitled to place those who advocate the
breaking of the law in their cabinet. And if such a person is a reflection of the President's views, then the answer isn't to staff the cabinet with like minded thugs, but, rather, to get rid of the President.(along with his thugs)

Congress can spare spouting "tradition" to me when they, and America, will be undeniably endorsing torture with a vote to confirm.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:47 PM
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2. kick
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:50 PM
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3. kick
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:52 AM
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4. related article: Panel's 'Oversight' of Gonzales? Mission Accomplished
SENATORS ALSO DO A GREAT JOB OF OVERLOOKING

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/

excerpt:

It was bad enough that Gonzales's memory conveniently failed him about past events. As this morning's Washington Post story noted:
Under often tough questioning from Democrats and some Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Gonzales said he could not recall key details of his involvement in the production of an August 2002 memo that narrowly defined the tactics that constitute torture. He also declined repeated invitations to repudiate a past administration assertion that the president has the authority to ignore anti-torture statutes on national security grounds.

Gonzales testified that while he disagreed with portions of the Justice Department memo, he could not recall whether he conveyed those objections to other government lawyers at the time. He said he did not quarrel with its general findings.

Gonzales said he could not remember who had requested the legal guidance on permissible interrogation tactics—many officials have said it was the CIA—but he acknowledged under questioning that high-pressure interrogation techniques were discussed in White House meetings at which he was present. Others have said the tactics included mock burials and simulated drownings.

The memo—which was used to formulate permissive Defense Department rules on interrogations—was withdrawn by the Justice Department after it was revealed publicly in 2004 and has since been rewritten, reaching starkly different conclusions.

Gonzales did remember, however, to pay lip service to freedom and liberty:
"Torture and abuse will not be tolerated by this administration. I will ensure the Department of Justice aggressively pursues those responsible for such abhorrent actions."

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:11 AM
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6. i'll have to get back to yall on that =====================> mp3
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:28 AM
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8. seems that Durbin was disturbed by that non-answer also
http://www.southernillinoisan.com/articles/2005/01/08/top/doc41dfd9ecc7fb6935859044.txt

excerpt:

Gonzales' record in Texas government is also of concern to Durbin, particularly Gonzales' role in some 59 death penalty cases in the state. Before becoming counsel to the president in 2001, Gonzales served as a justice of the Supreme Court of Texas.

Finally, Durbin said he was disturbed by an answer Gonzales gave, or failed to give, during the confirmation hearing.

"I asked him, point blank, if any American person, either government or military, could legally use torture. He said he'd have to get back to me," Durbin said. "I was stunned by his lack of an immediate answer."

Despite concerns voiced by Durbin and other critics, committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he feels certain that Gonzales will be confirmed as attorney general.

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:31 AM
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7. A Republican JAG
Senator gave the piss-poor excuse for a human a hard time.
Really, the whole damn administration and their ilk are beyond the pale.
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