Prof's Indian roots disputed (Ward Churchill's' credibility attacked)

[truthpusher]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3519179,00.html

Prof's Indian roots disputed
By Stuart Steers, Rocky Mountain News
February 3, 2005

The United Keetoowah Band Cherokee says University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill is not a member of their tribe.

"He's not in the database at all and is not a member of the Keetoowah," said Georgia Mauldin, the tribal clerk in Tahlequah, Okla.

In his books and articles, Churchill has described himself as a member of the Keetoowah Cherokee tribe in Oklahoma. In past interviews, he's claimed to be one-sixteenth Cherokee.

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"To have somebody of that stature masquerading as an Indian was intriguing to me," Rave said. "On two separate days I asked him questions. I was up-front in asking him questions (about his background)."

complete story:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3519179,00.html

[Freedom_from_Chains]

1. Well when you can't refute the argument

what else are you going to do?

[forgethell]

3. You mean the

statement about the "little Eichmans".

[Freedom_from_Chains]

7. No not really

I was referring more to the fact that within a society is takes the participation of many to do evil, not just a few. Unfortunately until professor Churchill’s paper came to light our country has been conspicuously silent on that point. But then again we lost our ability at critical self-analysis years ago.

The following link might help clarify the point.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7278.htm

[forgethell]

12. thanks for the link,

but I still see no comparison with Eichmann. Everybody is entitled to pursue a livelihood unexploded by true Nazi-clones. And, as far as I can see, his statement that they deserved it is what all the fuss is about.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. O'reilly will not let it go, I'll bet, until Churchill is gone.

[fishwax]

6. His tribal identity has been controversial for years

It's certainly nothing new.

[displacedtexan]

2. Here's how you become a Cherokee...

You gather your family death certificates ad pay an official Cherokee researcher (aka a person with access to the official list of tribe members) $500+, and then you wait. And Wait. And wait some more. If you know you are related to someone who is already on the list, it's an easy process.

I'm 1/8, and my first cousin had already gone through the process, so it was easy for me.

Lots of people claim to be Cherokee (and rightly so), but you're not a tribe member until you go through the process.

[SpiralHawk]

5. That's right. you need a piece of paper from a federally

sanctioned tribe to prove that you are dang-tootin By Geronimo casino-kissin red indian.

What? You have no papers? Only evil doers and terrorists have no papers. Away with you to StalinBush 19.

Next.

[The Magistrate]

4. A False Claim On These Lines, Sir

Would be consistent with the self-dramatization displayed in the piece he wrote. It was, when all is said and done, a pretty dreary exercise in boiler-plate....

"Devil's advocacy should not be attempted by those who think themselves angels at heart; such will invariably strike false notes in that key."

[earthside]

8. Anti-Smoking: You're a Racist?

Here is Ward Churchill ...

An except from an interview by Shawn Setaro.

http://www.zmag.org/setaro_churchill.htm

Instant: Does that tie in to all the stuff you said about the anti-smoking movement - that it's just a way of increasing the fascistic control over peoples' behavior?


WC: Yeah. We talk about left-right dichotomy in this country - there is no left. There's only a right and a righter. The politics that are on the table in any significant form at all really resemble that CNN program "Crossfire." As you recall, when they started that, they had on the right, if I remember right, Robert Novak. Well, that's truth in advertising. Robert Novak truly is a right-winger. And on the left, they had Tom Brayden, former CIA station chief in Italy who helped subvert the Italian elections. Well, now, there's a real left representative. So you've got the right, and then you've got much further right, and that's the political discourse.


Everything that's coming out of the so-called progressive movement lending credibility to the government by calling on the government to repress various things or to do various things that they consider to be good ideas. Well, that says right off the top that the government is intrinsically credible. All you need to do is tinker and tune and increase its authority and everything will be fixed up. Meanwhile, the concomitant is rampant social repression and disempowerment at every level. The people in the anti-smoking movement are relatively privileged people across the board, almost without exception. Smokers are primarily lower-income communities of color. Now, they got this vast influx of cash to do "good work" off, they always say, the tobacco corporations. Five hundred billion dollars or whatever - we're gonna have day-care centers, and we're gonna have this, and we're gonna have that and they're gonna have new projectors in all the classrooms and the information superhighway's gonna open up to our kids our kids our kids our …Whose kids? The tobacco corporations self-evidently are going to pass along - as they're already doing - all the costs to the smoking population, which is the poorest sector of the population. That $500 billion is going to come out of the very poorest social strata and land squarely on the table of a bunch of fat-cat yuppies so that they don't have to pay higher taxes.


There's one. And if you get upset about that, make sure you're disarmed, too. These gun control freaks, with their nice, wholesome little Ben & Jerry's smiles about how it would be nice to "clean up" society, are not talking about disarming police.


Instant: Right. They're not talking about SWAT teams.


WC: Never talking about disarming the police. All social violence, it's all a matter of the disempowered having access to weaponry, never the state. But I think some of these little fucks advocating it, who are also the cadres for the other social repression things, like with the cigarettes and stuff, have this holier-than-thou, sanctimonious, absolutely vacuous health agenda on their hands.


Instant: And a racist attitude, you point out as well.


WC: Well, some of these guys who are getting repressed and can't go sit in the neighborhood diner or their corner bar, where no yuppie would ever go, and have a cigarette, because it's now been outlawed, may just take the chickens back to roost on the correct branch, which is the over-privileged yuppie that imposed that on them in a sort of Cotton Mather moment, and shoot that cocksucker instead of the cop! (laughs) I really think that there's that kind of self-interest involved for a lot of them, and I know a bunch around here. They're concerned they're gonna get shot, so they want to make sure this guy down the street whose life they're getting ready to rearrange for him because they know better how he ought to live than he does, and how he ought to act - and they don't want to bear the burden of his health care, or whatever - that he may just one day go off the deep end of getting fucked with and come up and shoot one of them. He probably should.

[Tangledog]

11. What a pleasant fellow

over-privileged yuppie that imposed that on them in a sort of Cotton Mather moment, and shoot that cocksucker instead of the cop! (

This is about anti-smoking laws, for Chrissake. Anti-smoking laws are racist. Let's shoot 'em all.

This guy's the department chair? Makes you wonder about the people who didn't get the job. Did they all show up on 'ludes and drool on the Chancellor's sneakers?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

13. i think it's a joke

churchill is someone you need to read more of.
this is all part of his schtick

he can be a dry and analytical as chomsky one moment and then as funny as davd cross the next.

[hector459]

9. You would be surprised by how many people in the mid-west claim to be

Indian. Some of the blondest, blue-eyed people you have ever seen making claims to those native American benefits.

[poe]

10. geez the nazis are laughing as the liberals bicker over...

dangling participles and family tree fractions. if you can wipe from your mental slate the fabrication of the made in bangladesh cumulative flag fairy tale of the land whose name is violence you'll be okay.
now children go into the hall of mirrors and continue shadow boxing in the narrow corridors of the political bubble of 'murrika.

Friends, we are entering waters in which we may all drown, filled with nothing but anger and fanaticism. We had better take a long, hard look before we enter this raging stream because our country never be the same again. For those who advocate this sea change in American polity and social life do not want to talk; they want to impose. They do not want debates; they want obedience. And most importantly, they do not want us to pay attention to their desire for a de facto (and for many a de jure) Christian theocratic state.

I believe there is no longer any room for apathy or laziness. The voices of hatred, masquerading as "Christians" or "liberators," are beginning to echo eerily the pre WWII days in Germany when the bigoted darkness within "decent" people was stirred by racism, intolerance and vindictiveness, stamping out dissent and opposing viewpoints.

We no longer have the option of turning our eyes away for everywhere we go the same familiar faces and voices greet us. Hate radio spews the worst kind of aggressive boorishness, inane TV talk shows belie the deep distress Americans feel about their broken political processes, and a complacent media is ignoring the underlying tensions contained therein that threaten to explode in single-minded fury.

Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph: Haile Selassie