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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 03:57 PM
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Bush to nudge Putin on democracy, but not publicly
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N18380946.htm

WASHINGTON, Feb 20 (Reuters) - Despite calls for a harder U.S. line on Russia, President George W. Bush will likely question growing Kremlin authoritarianism in private, rather than in public, when he meets Russian President Vladimir Putin this week.

The calculation reflects a fear that public criticism of the Russian president could backfire, said U.S. officials, as well as the fact U.S. influence over Russia has waned in recent years, foreign policy analysts said.

The two presidents meet in the Slovak capital, Bratislava, on Thursday for talks expected to cover everything from the war on terrorism and efforts to dissuade Iran and North Korea from seeking nuclear weapons to growing Western concerns about Russian backsliding on democracy and the rule of law. snip

"If you talk to Russian experts, they will tell you Putin recoils from public criticism -- that's not the most effective way to deal with him," said another senior official. "Bush has been criticized by some for not being more vocal publicly. On the other hand, the point is (that) you want to be effective."

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http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/02/21/005.html

Inept Policy Has Made Bush Powerless

The upcoming meeting in Bratislava on Thursday between President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President George W. Bush will perhaps be the most useless summit in the history of U.S.-Russia interactions since the collapse of the Soviet Union. One side, Russia, no longer cares what the other has to say, while the other, the United States, has lost whatever leverage it once had in Russian politics, both domestic and international. This was the outcome of the U.S. policy orchestrated by the White House and its National Security Council, which until recently was led by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. This policy, though presumed to be pragmatic, has proven to be extremely ill-conceived.

Domestically, Russia is no longer dependent on the United States' financial help. Booming oil and gas prices allowed Russia to pay off its $3.3 billion debt to the IMF earlier this month. Putin has ordered Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin to pay back a huge hunk of the nation's $46 billion debt to the Paris Club ahead of schedule. Clearly, Putin values his freedom to maneuver above all else.

Condoleezza Rice's recent sermons about the United States' desire to spread democracy around the world, which she repeated time and again during her European tour as the new secretary of state, have fallen on deaf ears in Russia. And it's no wonder why: Since Bush came to office in 2000, the White House has developed a new approach toward Russia and has dealt with whomever would deliver whatever it was after, even if they happened to be politically questionable. The Russian side could gain the most from this policy by turning American pragmatism into Russian cynicism. It used those years of White House lip service to castrate democratic institutions and to build its muscle.

Internationally, Russia has clearly chosen to make alliances with countries regarded as the United States' competitors at best and enemies at the very worst, a choice very much against Russian national interests.

Regardless of the much-discussed clash of civilizations and the threat that China might pose to Russia in the long run, the Kremlin is further developing its close ties with the superpower to the east, which are based on Chinese lust for Russia's energy resources. Russia longs to have an ally that would allow it to present a challenge to the United States and Europe.

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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 03:59 PM
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1. Wrong man for this message
By nudging him on Democracy, does it really mean compare notes on how to centralilze power in the hands of a few?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 04:41 PM
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7. dipshit doesn't have clean hands... and Putin will be able to use it...
against dipshit

Plus Putin can say that they can't believe what dipshit tells him because dipshit lied about WMD and everything else.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 04:57 PM
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8. In other words--Bush has no moral authority
Considering he came to office in a questionable election, suppressed civil liberties, utilizes deceit as a regular tactic in pushing his policies, including lying us into a war, it is hard for Bush to press anyone else to accept democratic principles.
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LinuxInsurgent Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 03:59 PM
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2. i submit...
that there is little Bush can do to convince Putin of anything. Russia doesn't need the United States for anything, and has thriving trade with its Asian economic partners on its gas/oil reserves and military production.

Bush will have to come back empty handed...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 04:00 PM
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3. Vlad is still ticked off that he didn't get a cowboy hat --
-- the last time he visited the ranch.

Dubya could make good on that by sending him a cowboy hat, post-haste.

"From your pal, Dubya."
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 04:06 PM
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4. Putting out press releases of plans to nudge privately...
Is this Bush's idea of stealth and diplomacy? Hmm....
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 04:11 PM
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5. Yeah, sure. Sort of like Hitler nudging Franco on democracy. NT
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 04:12 PM
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6. There is little bush can convince anyone of, outside the borders
of the US. He and his cabal have no credibility after the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, the torture of Iraqis, the trashing of international treaties.

All the fluff the US media is putting out is simply propaganda straight from the WH, imo.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 05:03 PM
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9. Is this a joke?
You've got to be kidding.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 05:08 PM
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10. why are they waisting there time
people hate him and won't listen
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 05:27 PM
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11. nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more, say no more
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 09:04 PM
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12. Prof. Condi's policy is extremely ill conceived...no way--how shocking
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