Anti-gay religious group targets Shrek 2

[truthpusher]

Anti-gay religious group targets Shrek 2
Canadian Press

TORONTO — Uh oh! That other jolly green giant could be in trouble. Shrek 2 is the latest animated film title to be "outed'' by Christian fundamentalists in the U.S.

(snip)

"Shrek 2 is billed as harmless entertainment but contains subtle sexual messages,'' says the coalition, which describes itself as a grassroots inter-denominational lobby with more than 43,000 member churches.

(snip)

The article then proceeds to describe one of the characters, an "evil'' bartender (voiced by Larry King) who is a male-to-female transgender in transition and who expresses a sexual desire for Prince Charming.

In another identified scene, Shrek and Donkey need rescuing from a dungeon by Pinocchio and his nose, which is made to extend as an escape bridge by getting the wooden boy to lie about not wearing women's underwear.

story:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1109011985168_104421185?hub=Entertainment

Traditional Values Coalition Link (spit-take warning: if you are drinking a beverage...I would suggest to swallow before visiting this website)

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1659

[punpirate]

2. These people really, really need...

... their own solar system, far away from this one....

[Dark]

25. or at least a life. n/t

[GiovanniC]

92. Or Maybe Just to Get Laid

n/t

[radfringe]

134. DOT - Defense of Toons

maybe we need to start an organization to defend toons. I mean, these toons have no legal status whatsoever, they can't vote, they can't marry, many are not allowed to live in certain neighborhoods, they are under total control of corporations - "virtual" slaves, words are put in their mouths, any money they earn goes to their creators...

I'm just waiting for the slogan "Don't hate the toons, hate the toonists...."

[Spinzonner]

3. I think perhaps that its best to leave these people alone

and let them parody themselves rather than give them credibility by bothering to criticize them.

[d.l.Green]

88. Right on! They're not getting the attention they need-poor babies... eom

[saltpoint]

4. Can we call in an aerial strike on the Christian Right?

I'll pitch in for ammo.

[Bouncy Ball]

5. Just when I think they've completely gone around the bend

these fundies surprise me by proving there's more crazy to be had in Crazy Land than I ever knew.

You know, everytime they do something like this, interest in said cartoon character RISES. My daughter was just about over SpongeBob and when James Dobson had his craziness, my daughter suddenly wanted to watch it again. If the fundies hated it, her logic went, it MUST be uber-cool!

Now she's going to be begging me for the Shrek 2 DVD!!!!

[retnavyliberal]

50. LOL hmmmmm interesting... could it be a plot to increase sales??? n/t

[Catch22Dem]

61. Aw buy it for her regardless

It's HILARIOUS!!! You can watch it together. :D

[Kerrytravelers]

6. So much time to watching cartoons? Shouldn't they be reading the Bible?

[tavalon]

124. Good one! n/t

[WindRavenX]

7. really...these people can all just fuck off

I am so sick of reading shit like this.
There are problems in the world.
Kids are dying of starvation-starvation for chrissake- and these ASSWIPES who call themselves CHRISTIANS chose to pay more attention to a goddamn fucking cartoon THAN REAL WORLD problems??
Seriously, I can't deal with this anymore.

[jmm]

8. Looks like Veggie Tales is the only "safe" cartoon

or is it?

[truthpusher]

16. Only the ones that are not longer than they are wide...

The cucumber is definately out!

[troubleinwinter]

24. There is no way to know for sure

that the asparagus with pearls is not a cross-dresser or trans gender.

Which one is the pedophile?

What's up with those limes?

[chickenscratching]

137. i bet jesus is turning over in his grave you psychos!!!!!!!!

and what about the guy on the left with the hat? he definitely looks like molester material. i bet he's the pedophile. or a pederast at the very least.

[Megahurtz]

110. LOL!!!

:7

[Toucano]

22. That's a great link.

I especially like next week's topic.

"The boo bahs. Are they soft on abortion?"

ROFL!

[atommom]

23. Hmm. They don't have many female characters, DO they...?

[classof56]

29. Sorry...I just checked your link and can't seem to stop laughing!

When I think of all the Veggie Tale videos I've watched with my grandchildren convinced I was exposing them to some great moral values along with the entertainment and great tunes. I feel so guilty now...what has Grandma done???

Arghhh!

[Spazito]

100. ROFL, my grandchildren love Shrek and Shrek 2, OMG...

they are ruined, ruined I say! This grandma is sooooo ashamed, lol.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

Every time I hear about this kind of thing

I think about the teachings of Christ. No matter how hard I try, I can't find anything about homosexuals. Therefore I figure He DIDN'T CARE, so why should I?
These folks are truly pathetic..................

[liberalpress]

83. Jesus. Wrong on Family Values. Wrong for America

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

84. You're cracking me up...

But what about all that stuff in the Bible? Violence. Fornication. Even a whole city named after butt sex.

...wouldn't let my kids read that trash!

[napi21]

9. I haven't seen any Shrek movies, and don't intend to, but ....

Is there ANY foundation to any of this crap? I know I've watched a little of Sponge Bob and didn't see anything to indicate he was gay! Are these idiots reading things into movies and cartoons that really aren't there?

Any of us could do the same. How about the big KISS Shrub gave to Lieberman? Does that mean we should assume Shrub is also gay?

[WindRavenX]

11. No foundation to it at all, no

These idiots are simply deluded and are seeing things that aren't there.

[purduejake]

76. Don't assume he's gay...

Assume he's a crazy-ass drugged up war criminal. As far as I am concerned, that's all he is. The rest of him doesn't matter.

[Kber]

86. Not really, but, like most good kids' movies

it can be enjoyed by parents as well, so there are some "subtle" jokes that I'm sure I read into in a way my 8 year old did not.

But no - it's not going to turn your kid gay or anything!

(On reflection, however, the overriding message is to love and be loved for who you are, not who society wants you to be. Beauty is on the inside, not the outside, and if you are a troll, be loud and proud about it - so maybe they have a point!)

[central scrutinizer]

10. What about Bambi?

That is another blatantly pro-radical-homosexual-agenda movie. Remember, Bambi is a stag and what kind of red-blooded Murkan would name their boy Bambi?

[Coventina]

15. No kidding! And how about the male skunk named "Flower"?

How gay is that?
:shrug:

[BrklynLiberal]

12. Their entire lives seem to be some sort of parody of the lives of real

human beings...

[blondeatlast]

82. Nailed it. I look at it this way, as long as they concentrate on

frivolity like this, they don't have to see poverty, illness, the effects of urban war, etc.

Reality is just so, so ....

messy, you know? :eyes:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

13. What freaks!

The fact that they actually believe this BS is scary.

Snow White better watch out! She was living in sin with seven dwarfs after all. :eyes:

[Coventina]

17. Group marriage!!! Oral sex!!!! AHHHHH!!!!

Won't somebody please think of the children?!?!?!

[marmar]

20. Amen and hallelujah!

I propose just giving them a state, say Idaho, and letting them do whatever they please with it. They're sooo fucked up!

[purduejake]

14. I'm not sure if it was offensive to the trans community...

but the movie played on a lot of old stereotypes. I definitely noticed the "gay" things in the movie, but was very happy to see these people being accepted by their friends/peers/etc. They continued functioning like normal as most people do when they are accepted in their environments.

P.S. I am gay, so I am very sensitive to these things and maybe read into it too much. I am not sure if many others thought about this during the movie.

edit: grammar

[proudbluestater]

66. It's nice to hear what your opinions are on the movies.

I have gay family members, but they have not seen the Shreks. I thought they were hysterical, second one being funnier than the first.

These people are just freaking obsessed.

I can't get it out of my head, after the last election when the phony exit polls showed "moral values" were what drove voters, Jon Stewart is talking to his guest the next night and naming off all the pressing matters we face in America, the war, poverty, loss of civil liberties, and he ends up with:

"And it all comes down to who's kissing who?"

Amen, Jon, Amen.

[Toucano]

18. I think someone with a strong stomach should investigate

the "Veggie Tales" series.

The number of fallic shaped characters on screen per minute is clearly going to make children want to have sex.

On edit:

I see upthread that this has already been noted.

[Maeve]

19. A bit late, aren't they?

It came out last year and has been available on DVD for months. :eyes:

[sans qualia]

129. Oh no, this is old news

The TVC jumped on Shrek 2 almost immediately after it was released. I don't know why someone's writing about it now, though. :shrug:

[Dr Fate]

21. Republicans are obsessed with Zoomorphic sex.

First it was Santorum witht the turtle sex, then it was sea-sponges- now THIS???

Dontcha think they are reading a little too much into all of this???

Perhaps these right-wingers are a bunch of are closet Furries...
I know *I* dont spend that much time thinking about this kind of stuff.

It's COMEDY people- the old Warner & Flintstones Cartoons had "adult" jokes too- COME ON PEOPLE!!!!!

[despairing optimist]

28. Yet they had a Bulldog in the White House.

Go figure.

[Az_lefty]

26. What a bunch of losers.....

The bit with Pinocchio was funny. "Are you wearing a thong?"

[Deja Q]

27. They need to get out more.

I'm sure Pinnochio will be a target because the growing nose represents your typical male penis. :eyes:

[retnavyliberal]

51. ahhhhh is that why my wife keeps yelling "Lie you s.o.b.! LIE!" n/t

[peacebird]

114. roflmao!!!

[readmoreoften]

30. What about BUGS BUNNY?

Him tighting his corset and putting on a wig and false eyelashes was a core tactic in fucking with that wolf's head. Not to mention Elmer Fudd. Someone should go back in time and alert them to all this.

I think cartoons must've been the cause of transgender Native American shaman and warriors. Also the cause of Chinese and Byzantine eunuchism. Greek homosexuality? Look no further than Daffy Duck... the apriori cause of all perversion.

[GiovanniC]

95. When You Get That Time Machine Gassed Up

Tell them to go back to Bill Shakespeare's time, too... where MEN played the parts of the likes of Ophelia, Juliet, Desdemona, and Cleopatra.

CROSS-DRESSING MEN!

No wonder people are getting divorced in 2005, what with that historical foundation of depravity.

[cosmicdot]

31. ran across this (Amway-funded) 'org' today whilst googling ...

... for the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) today ...

Traditional Values Coalition is just another cog in the Republican Propaganda Machine ...

according to the http://www.mediatransparency.org/fundometer.php, a major contributor to the Traditional Values Coalition, in 2001, was the Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation
http://www.mediatransparency.org/funders/devos.html

Richard DeVos is co-founder of Amway Corp. and owner of the Orlando Magic (2004), and served as the finance chairman of the Republican National Committee. He ranks in the Forbes 400 and is, according to Forbes, amoung the world's richest people, with an estimated worth of $1.7 billion in 2003.


When doing the fund-o-meter search using "http://www.traditionalvalues.org" ... interestingly,
4 organizations came up:

Found 4 reciepients:
Boy Scouts of America
Heritage Foundation
Traditional Values Coalition
University of Southern California

clicking 'Traditional Values Coalition' goes to this page:
"http://www.mediatransparency.org/search_results/info_on_any_recipient.php?recipientID=3171, showing 2 major funders


Back to the CBC ... the Traditional Values Coalition page 'hit', is, imo, unbelievable ... this goes on so much and unchecked and uncountered ...

"Congressional Black Caucus Member Attacks African-American Pastors" ... http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1949

How to counter this propaganda tool? Do we set up a bunch of tax exempt organizations and put similar stories out, like: White Congressman Questions the King family's integrity??? No, we have integrity, and the Republican/conservative/rightwing/fundamentalists do not ...


Snip from link:

"On September 30th the U.S. House of Representative debated and voted on a constitutional amendment to protect marriage. During the debates, House Majority Leader, Tom DeLay (R-TX), spoke of the African-American Pastors that were in Washington, D.C. to meet with the Congressional Black Caucus.

"He (Delay) said, 'I am going bring up one letter out of hundreds of thousands of letters I have from particular pastors from Dr. Creflo E. Dollar of the World Changers Ministry of College Park, Georgia. I won't read the letter I would like unanimous consent to submit it for the record. But I will quote him: 'This is not a civil rights issue. (This is an African-American pastor from an African-American Church) 'This is not a civil rights issue as many would have you believe and the attempt to frame it as such is an insult to the millions of Americans who have been victims of actual discrimination.'"

"Congressional Black Caucus member, John Lewis (D-GA) jumped up and said, Mr. Lewis of Georgia. "I just want to set the record straight here. Some of these so-called black ministers and so-called civil rights leaders never supported civil rights. They never marched for one day. They never put their bodies on the line for the cause of civil rights. Coretta Scott King, the widow of Martin Luther King, Jr. is opposed to this amendment."

Rev. Lou Sheldon was at the debates that day and said, "I was shocked to hear him say these pastors have no credibility. Only Coretta Scott King and her son have credibility."

The voted failed by getting 227 votes (276 were needed.)

~snip~

There were other members of the CBC there that didn't speak including Rep. Albert Wynn (D-MD). He was all sprawled out in a chair appearing to be asleep during the debates.

~snip~

Want to take action about what you have just read?

~snip~


for more info on Rev. Lou Sheldon, president of the Traditional Values Coalition ... go here ...

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-33,GGLD:en&q=Rev%2E+Lou+Sheldon

http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/sheldon.html

cited by Delay ...

Who is Dr. Creflo A. Dollar?

Dr. Creflo A. Dollar is the president and CEO of World Changers Ministries. World Changers Ministries includes World Changers Church International (WCCI), Creflo Dollar Ministries (CDM), International Covenant Ministries (ICM) and Arrow Records.

[snippy]

32. These people now run the republican party.

Moderate republicans who still vote the republican ticket are the most important supporters these wacked out nuts have. Without those moderate republican voters the fundamentalists would have very little political power or influence on the national level.

[gtar100]

33. I found Shrek 2 deeply offensive...

Especially the second time I saw it. The third time was by far the worst! All that tolerance and acceptance was just too hard to sit through a fourth time, well.... five times really. It's just too much for me.

[burrowowl]

62. Welcome to DU, gtar100!

I haven't seen Shrek 2 but I know several middle-agers, including my sister who doesn't like animated movies, are charmed by Shrek.

[gtar100]

136. As far as animation is concerned, it's one of the best

The technical aspects to the animation are truly amazing... the shadowing effects and the detail in body movements are absolutely incredible. And to top it off with such comedy...I still smile thinking about it.

Thanks for the welcome. DU is by far my favorite message board.

[SomewhereOutThere424]

34. You know

They simply hate anything that children enjoy more than bible study. They went out on a limb and attacked pokemon too, but that was considered big business so I guess one took precidence over the other. I remember the fine day I overheard the leaders of my former church discussing pokemon's satanic and pagan roots. 'Pikachu means satan, I heard (such and such) say so!'. I was more than happy to inform him that, to my studies, it was derived out of two japanese words which roughly meant 'thunder mouse' and was off.

These people will speculate anything. They just want something to bitch at and their personal victories are ruining happinesses in children. You think attacking the whole of american children's programming is bad, you should see what the poor kids growing up with these people go through. I had to convince one of my cousins that he wasn't going to hell for playing a game of super mario with me...

[Lydia Leftcoast]

75. Actually, it's more like "flashy mouse"

"Pikapika" is a word used to describe shining or flashing light, and "chu" is the sound a mouse makes.

[baron j]

132. It's interesting they didn't notice the transvestite character in Pokemon

from episode #27 Pokémon Fashion Flash.



But since the character is readily apparent as a transvestite, the religious wrong isn't interested. TV tome erroneously lists this character having a male voice as a "goof" on the part of the dubbing http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-467/epid-25337/
The author of this TV tome article is forgetting that LGBT characters are common in anime and manga in Japan (the Japanese are way more progressive and tolerant than the American mainstream, in allowing people of different gender and sexual orientations in children's programming and comics).

Androgynous--and sometimes gay--pretty boys called Bishonen are ubiquitous in manga aimed toward a young female audience in Japan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishonen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi

I think they only care about a character only possibly being gay; they seem to derive a secret and cheap thrill from clandestine relationships, or imagined innuendo, as in the case of Spongebob: He and Patrick hold hands, I wonder what that means? Hmmmmm?!

There are several openly gay characters in the anime Sailor Moon:

http://www.lizzard.net/SuperS/debate/027.html

The male character of Zoicite was dubbed with a female voice in the American airing, to avoid a controversy.

Zoicite:



Zoicite with boyfriend:



Lesbian couple Neptune and Uranus from Sailor Moon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailor_Uranus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailor_Uranus







This demonstrates how little the religious wrongers are aware of in the world (changing attitudes, pop culture, etc.), outside of their delusional one.

[baron j]

135. oops! sorry. here is the pic of that character from Pokemon:

[NashVegas]

35. Wasn't the Bartender's Voice Dubbed in the Brit Version?

I remember seeing somewhere that they were using Joan Rivers for the barkeep in the UK release.

Didn't say why, not that I recall.

[Rush1184]

79. I am in the UK now...

I have a friend who has the UK version, so I will check it out and tell you...

[Halliburton]

36. Shrek Character is Target of Values Religious Group

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cpress/film_gay_animation

[yorkiemommie1]

you mean to say these people actually have the time

... and the teeny tiny twisted minds to waste time taking CARTOONS apart? what about the great big lies their leaders are telling the the REAL world? this is a real sickness here.

[Arkana]

Yet another pathetic attempt to demonize homosexuals

by the wingnuts. Aren't these the same guys who said "tolerance" was code for "butt sex?"

[Dr Fate]

How about REAL characters- like GANNON???

What do they say about HIM and HIS sorrid world of pimps, drug-dealers & GOP insiders???

So this is NEWS now? Going after FICTIONAL characters and ignoring real ones??????

[Cooley Hurd]

Will Falwell and Graham now boycott Larry King?

:shrug:

Nah, I doubt it...

[dutchdoctor]

78. This Falwell?

[Solly Mack]

Way too many sad pathetic people in the world

they need pity but I just want to swat them a good one

[Rex]

He's probably got a big green penis!

Nasty animations!

[NVMojo]

37. don't these idiots have anything else to do with their lives??

[latteromden]

38. Man, I guess not. And now watch them go after Larry King for

"promoting the homosexual agenda among young children."

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Ok ok the REAL target of these loons is TOLERANCE

they cannot allow tolerance for this could lead to horror of horrors, tolerance of gays... they are the new black after all

[mmonk]

44. My thoughts too

Life with these freaks must really be uneventful. Its really a wonder how they avoid logic and reason so well. Brains in the void.

[Runcible Spoon]

39. hmmm..they missed out on the interspecies love angle....

and trans-speciation aspects :eyes:

[Bunny]

43. Seriously. Do they realize that Donkey got Dragon knocked up?

And to my knowledge, there was never a marriage ceremony! Shocking!

[celestia671]

1. Can't forget that!

Weren't the little donkey/dragon babies adorable?

Seriously though, my kids love this movie and like other little kids who watch it, see no 'sexual overtones', just a funny movie with cute talking animals.

In my opinion, this conservative group is nothing but a bunch of perverts!

[DuaneBidoux]

89. My thinking exactly--did you see Puss-n-Boots

seducing all those non-cat people with that incredible look? Obviously an effort at non-anthropic cross species sex.

[NashVegas]

40. duplicate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1255073

[prodigal_green]

41. I guess they would prefer

the Warner cartoons of the 30s and 40s, with racist depictions of blacks, asians, native americans, etc. Oh wait, Bugs Bunny liked to cross dress and kiss men, so no, I guess they wouldn't like those either.

These people are absolutely insane.

gay-hunting is the modern-day witch-hunting. And yes, they are still hunting witches.

on edit: We have to keep associating these people with REPUBLICANS. Don't say they are a fringe (like I did above). Make sure people connect these folks with their next-door-neighbor hardcore repukes the way the right tries to associate every fringe leftist group as being part of the mainstream of the Democratic party.

[Anakin Skywalker]

120. By Voting for the party that support these Nuts,

the so-called "moderate" Rethugs cannot be blameless.

[Bellamia]

45. Shrek character as target........

Oh, puhlese, first Sponge Bob, now Shrek, who or what is next?
Or was there something before Sponge Bob? Did I miss something, how 'bout Stuart Little, anything wrong with him?;>0

[prodigal_green]

122. Bert and Ernie

and Tinkie Winkie were previously targeted.

[Gman]

46. What about Peter Pan???

Never hear a word about that.

[Maeve]

47. And the Wizard of Oz..there's a dirty old man!

A tip of the hat to Tom Lehrer and "Smut"...

[Kber]

87. Gemme smut and nothing but

if it's uncut
and unsut tle.

Yeah Tom!

[Don_1967]

102. Peter pan

He ran around with a fairy!!!

[SlavesandBulldozers]

48. do you remember that scene in the bible where a man

washes The Nazarene's feet? WTF was that all about?

hmmmmmm. shouldn't somebody look into this? i mean, after they get done watching cartoons.

[HockeyMom]

49. Harry Potter

You do know they tried it with that? They called it teaching children witchcraft and devil worship. Tell me, did they succeed? lol

[SlavesandBulldozers]

56. that's right

didn't they go after smurfs too?

[truthpusher]

67. Maybe The big guy himself is gay?

Think about it? Would a straight God have created Adam and Eve? I think not. Any red meat eatin, all-American God would have created Eve & Eve and Twins at that!

[NYC Liberal]

52. These people are in need of SERIOUS help!

[Fleshdancer]

53. do these people not know about the male prostitute linked to the WH?

Shrek 2 is nothing compared to having a male prostitute in the WH.

[tinrobot]

54. But it's his "private" life...

Don't you just love their logic.

Sheeesh...

[Fleshdancer]

63. someone should tell them that taking $$ for sex makes it public

it is the "oldest profession". Besides, *and I just LOVE to throw this back in their faces*, it's not the sex, it's the LIES! :)

[SlavesandBulldozers]

55. seriously

somebody should pass some homosexual-turdblossom's operative was living in accordance with the Lawd.

[Dr Fate]

57. GOP/media forces us all to live in their cartoon world-

...where sea sponges and ogres are "sexy" and have "agendas" instead of just being funny diversions...

And now us adults have to fucking live with their twisted perceptions too...

Imagine:

Sponge Bob/Shrek= "Bad"

Pimp/GOP & Media-insider= "Nothing to see here"

[BiggJawn]

81. Naw, they're too busy jerkin' off to CARTOONS.....n/t

[Don_1967]

105. male prostitute in the WH

thats the real news we dont have time for that we must find all gay toons before its too late !!

[anitar1]

128. Interesting

how many things are popping up to take the peoples' mind pff Gannon. How about those tapes that make*look so good? Smells Rovian to me.

[Lindacooks]

58. These sickos are absolutely obsessed with sex and gay sex!!

They see it everywhere! They need serious psychological treatment, really.

[Astarho]

59. In the words of Krusty the clown

"Can't you people get a life?"

[shimmergal]

60. You know what's bothering them subliminally....

is that it's basically a love story where the female is a ogress, and she stays an ogress rather than being transformed into a generic beauty.
Fundies are at least as brainwashed as the rest of our culture into thinking every romantic heroine or sex object has to fit a certain template.

For myself, I thought this was a delightful touch. It shows excellent values; with a theme that love is a matter of the heart, not appearances.

As for my little granddaughter, she just thinks it's a great movie.

[rayofreason]

64. subliminal message

Don't you know that if you play Shrek 2 backwards you can make out the phrase "Church is bad?"...err...or something like that....

[proudbluestater]

65. My day have been very crappy. Please allow me to vent for a minute.

I just made my contribution to DU, too. :)

IMAGINE HOW WONDERFUL IT WOULD BE IF THESE MOTHERFUCKERS COULD CHANNEL ALL THIS ENERGY INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How in the hell can you live your life looking for the BAD in every little fucking thing in this world, while never noticing the good things?????????????????????????????????????

It's the same with the anti choice folks. They can bitch about abortion, or they can go to the local hospital in a big city and rock those poor babies who come into this world inadvertently addicted to crack and have to go through withdrawal. Wouldn't the world be a better place with a POSITIVE solution rather than attempts to control another person's behavior.

Thank you very much for allowing my vent.

[truthpusher]

68. Problem is, they don't really care...

...it's all about looking righteous. The reason they pull this stuff out of their but all the time is they want to look special in front of there Friends. The ones who are able to find evil in the places where evil is hardest to find...are the ones that are closest to God. Get it. It is very sick and twisted.

[B3Nut]

96. That takes too much effort.

They want to feel more righteous than their neighbor wihtout actually having to expend any energy to actually be a better human being. It relates to one of Jesus's examples of a Pharisee and a Publican. The Pharisee barfed up this self-sanctimonious prayer "Lord, I thank you that I'm not like this Publican over here etc." while the Publican beat his breast and prayed "Lord, have mercy on me a sinner." Jesus asked his audience which one went away forgiven.

The Talibangelists are simply modern legalistic Pharisees. It's a pitiful existence, if you ask me. They're all about control and power, not about bringing people closer to God or making them into better human beings. Yet another aspect of right-wing hypocrisy that drove me leftward. Going around with a chip on my shoulder and a pinecone up my ass wasn't making me a better human being. :D

Todd in Beerbratistan

[tuvor]

69. Can we just ignore these lunatics?

If their minions are going to get in a holy huff over a cartoon character, all is lost for them anyway.

And the next election, we can just have Godly cartoons running that they can vote for :eyes:

If any of you are wondering why Christians are reluctant to bring up their faith, well, I take it you've read the story that elicited the original post.

[genieroze]

70. "Think Of The Children!!!!" lol, freakin morons. eom

[donheld]

71. Don't tell them, I'd bet both green giants are gay

[d_b]

72. what a shocker

[Megahurtz]

112. Love the music!

:headbang:

[MADem]

73. OK, how many more times are the lamestreamers gonna fall for this

...absolute "who gives a flying" SHIT. These groups need to be told two things--first, if ya don't like it, DON'T WATCH!!! And second--STFU--no one CARES what they think!

The people at Shrek2 have gotta be thrilled--this will HELP their sales, not hurt them.

These fundies need to direct their considerable attention to the prostitute in the White House, not cartoon characters!

[applegrove]

74. As long as they keep in practice "hating the gays" IN CARTOONS who cannot

sue ... as long as they keep in practice hating - they will be ready for the next election and be too busy to notice there is not going to be an amendment to the Constitution.

[malmapus]

77. Next they'll go after Band of Brothers

These guys are getting shelled by German artillery and will dive into a small foxhole with another guy

[Rush1184]

80. It can't be gay... stuff is blowing up around them!!!

Besides, we all know that in the military, only the reciver is gay.<j/k>

[Timebound]

85. ....

What...the...hell?

....

....

I'm really speechless, this time. I'm so glad I de-converted from Christianity and became an Atheist...

[rustadlc]

90. Take action

It is funny....in a a way. It's also sick. After you've had a good laugh, use their contact button and tell them what you think. The wingnuts are adept at flooding the MSM and web sites with e-mail. We need to do the same thing. These people need feedback. Their obsession with sex verges on paranoia.

[Mr_Spock]

91. Foot, meet bullet. Bullet - foot.

These idiot morons are gonna turn off the country to their idiocy before long. And they criticize liberals?

[arwalden]

93. Who ARE These Christians? And Why The Obsession With Homosex?

Even as a gay man, I think LESS about homosex on a weekly basis than THEY do every waking hour of their pathetic sexually-obsessed lives.

[Skidmore]

94. Personally, I think they're really obsessed

with cartoons, which is a truly weird obsession for theoretical adults.

[B3Nut]

97. Freud....

....would have had a FIELD DAY ROYALE.

Todd in Beerbratistan

[Klapaucius]

131. Hey!!!!

I resemble that remark....

I do like toons, I actually think that they're more edifying than some of what passes for entertainment these days, like *Survivor* and *Fear Factor* and all the reality show crap (WTF do people see in 'Survivor'?). I'd rather watch Bugs in drag vamp Elmer, it's funnier. Or watch a ten foot hairy orange monster named 'Gossamer' freak out because he thinks people are watching him!

But frankly, I don't really watch TV. I spend way more time on the computer, and I only really use the TV as an output device for my VCR and DVD player. Occasionally it's fun to watch the odd cartoon, but that's about it.

I don't trust the US media, I try and get my news mostly from the BBC and from the Google News page, if I'm looking for a particular subject.

[sinkingfeeling]

98. Did any of you read their definition of 'Traditional Values' ?

"We believe in “discrimination” in the good sense:...." and "It is not “hate” to fight against such cultural forces as pornography, drugs, abortion, and sodomy."

I also like this: "Right To Life: We believe that every human deserves the right to life—from conception to death—and that we do not have the right to kill unborn children nor to murder the elderly through active euthanasia. We do, however, support the death penalty. The Bible is clear that the government has the responsibility to provide for peace and security for its people. We also believe the government has the power to take the lives of those who murder others and to wage war against our enemies."

I hope they don't mind if I 'pass' on their so-called 'values'!!

[Love Bug]

99. Apparently, they didn't listen to the DVD commentary

Yeah, I'm one of "those people" who like to listen to DVD commentaries!

On the Shrek 2 commentary, IIRC, they actually bring up this issue and state that Doris the bartender is one of Cinderella's ugly step sisters and is female, not a drag queen (or presumably, transgendered). They asked Larry King to do her voice because they thought it would be funny (which it is). They seemed amused by all of the speculation about her.

[arwalden]

103. I Enjoy The Running Commentary Tracks Too

there's always something interesting to hear. Those particular Christians seem to be the living incarnations of the fictional characters at Landover Baptist.

[truthpusher]

104. The folks at Traditional Values Coalition probably got so turned on...

...by watching the DVD that they had to run off to the bedroom before they could get to the commentary...that's what I think.

:toast: :spank: :thumbsup: :hurts: :boring:

[bloom]

101. It's fun to think that writing children's stories

could be seen as politically "subversive". :)

[debdemoe]

106. Absurd!

[morffin]

107. I think they are just pissed

Because Shrek hangs out with a donkey.

[chaz4jazz]

108. MY LETTER TO TRADITIONAL VALUES ORG

Oh my God! Have you not heard of Jeff Gannon? Your website completely ignores this true Family Values issue. Jeff Gannon is the cover name for a homosexual who has infiltrated the White House by posing as a phony Bureau Chief for a phony News outlet called Talon News, a small website that calls itself a news reporting site.

This is really scary. When homosexuals get this close to the seat of our government it's time to speak out. Worse, this Gannon guy, whose real name is James Guckert, saying he's a former Marine, is also a male prostitute. That's right. He sells his body for sexual pleasure to men! It has been discovered that he had several websites (he's taken them down but internet snoops have captured their pages to use as evidence) that dealt with selling homosexual favors for wealthy closeted gays. I can hardly type this.

Gannon had press credentials to allow him access to the White House and our President. Who the hell is watching the farm? How does someone of his ilk get past the investigators who hand out these passes? The only answer is, and I hate to say this because it goes way beyond that ugly, disgusting, Monica Lewinsky affair, someone in the White House has a crush on this Jeff Gannon or, worse, is having a homosexual sexual relationship with him and therefore allowing him access to the White House.

I say this is worse than the Clinton/Lewinsky thing because we're talking about man on man sex here. I know how you and your members feel about this issue so you MUST do something about this. You have the numbers, and the influence, to have Congress investigate this issue to find out just how this Jeff Gannon got so close to our President and why the vetting system (background checks) of candidates is so lax.

To add insult to this injury - Maureen Dowd (I know she's not a favorite of yours, but she's not a bad person) tells about trying to get press credentials for White House briefings and was told it takes many months for background checks to be completed. Now, Ms Dowd works for bonafide newspapers. This male hooker didn't. Yet he received credentials without having to wait. Something is very, very wrong and I'm hoping that just because he says he's a conservative Republican won't stop you from doing what is right. And that is, getting the Republican dominated Congress to investigate just what the hell is going on in our house, the White House.

Thank you

[Love Bug]

111. LOL

Heh - you should write for Betty Bowers! Let us know if you get a response.

[Megahurtz]

109. Oh you have got to be fucking kidding me.

"subtle sexual messages"???????:wtf:

I think these fundamentalists are mind in the gutter closet perverts!:freak::freak::freak::freak::freak:

Is NO cartoon character sacred anymore???

[B3Nut]

117. I know of fundie churches...

...where solists could not hold the microphone to their mouths in the usual fashion (head-on) because it had "phallic connotations". Funny, I never thought of that when watching vocalists or singing live...truly truly wierd. Anyway, singers had to hold the mics vertically. Alllllllrightythen....did some of these uppity ladies secretly engage in unmentionable acts with innocent SM-57's or SM-58's? The 58 has that ball end onnit, yanno..... :D

Todd in Beerbratistan

[Megahurtz]

121. That sounds like:

"Put a Burka over your head so we won't have dirty thoughts, and if you don't it's your fault that you are giving us these thoughts"

What a buch of obsessed sick fucks!:freak::freak::freak::freak::freak::

[chaz4jazz]

126. SM-57 10 inches CUT

eom

[LiberalPersona]

113. Oh god no, not that!

What a bunch of lunatics. Shrek 2 was the best movie of 2004, I bet they're just jealous that Passion of the Christ couldn't top it in the box office nor could it even top it in reviews.

[KDLarsen]

115. To quote a user on a board where I posted this

"Someone should warn the TVC and the FRC that in Mel Gibson's film some of the hunky Roman soldiers were looking at the battered Jesus with some distinct S&M leers."

Ain't that the truth? :D

[dave123williams]

116. Thank God we've got people out there defending us against cartoons.

[Kimber Scott]

118. God-damned perverts.

These "values" people have to be the sickest bunch of wackos on the face of the earth. GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTERS!

Oh, and Shrek and Shrek 2 are both filled with double-entenders meant to make the movie appealing to adults while also entertaining children who don't get the jokes. If these people want to explain all the jokes to their, and my, kids, who's defiling who?

[Anakin Skywalker]

119. The Xtian Wingnuts

get funnier by the day! Tee hee! :)

[stepnw1f]

123. They Are Nuts!

terrorists, nazis.... here they are!

[applegrove]

125. I can just see the Repuke ads come election 2008. George Bush

took on all comers: and then they show all the cartoon characters he & his minions took on

[maseman]

127. Flintstones

You can't tell me that Fred Flintstone didn't want to bang Betty te neighbor lady. She was hot! AHHH, now I am going to hell also.

[HaloKitty]

130. ARGH!

These people would be laughable if the media didn't take them so bloody seriously. No word of Gannongate, but this is IMPORTANT.

Just FYI, as a transsexual girl, if there's a "Transgendered Agenda" out there, I somehow missed it. What, do these people think we get together and plot ways to recruit children? WTF?

[readmoreoften]

133. welcome halo!

Yes, they do think we recruit. seriously.

My partner's a trannyboy! good to see more tg folks on the board, welcome!