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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 06:44 AM
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Nader Criticizes Bush on Iraq (Washington Post)
Nader Criticizes Bush on Iraq
Consumer Advocate Says Administration Tolerates Corruption

By Brian Faler
Special to The Washington Post
Friday, February 25, 2005; Page A06

Former presidential candidate Ralph Nader stepped back into the public spotlight yesterday to deliver a scathing critique of the Bush administration's Iraq policies, demand a quick end to the American occupation there and call on antiwar activists to take their case to their representatives in Congress.

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"It's really not a very complicated withdrawal strategy. It has a lot of common sense behind it. I think the American people would overwhelmingly support this six-month withdrawal strategy," Nader said. "It's very important to also note the Iraqis resent enormously the takeover of their economy."


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Nader's attempt to jump-start a movement comes as lawmakers from both sides of the aisle have turned their attention to Bush's proposed Social Security revision. Nader mocked the president's plan, saying it stands little chance of becoming law and amounts to little more than a distraction from Iraq.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51847-2005Feb24.html
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 06:54 AM
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1. Ralph Nader needs to step out of the national political arena...
Edited on Fri Feb-25-05 06:55 AM by whistle
...and write his memoirs or better still, retire to a condo on the New Jersey shore and count seagulls. What a shithead, he had the entire 2004 campaign to make his case about Iraq, but instead he smoozed up to the Bushistas and still, the voters saw through this phony's bid as a spoiler.

<snip from the last two paragraphs of the article>

"With all due respect to Mr. Nader, Democrats vigorously criticized Bush's foreign policy during 2004 and came within 60,000 votes of winning the White House," DNC spokesman Jano Cabrera said. "Mr. Nader, on the other hand, made his case and garnered slightly more than one-third of 1 percent of the vote."

Nader's antiwar organization, Democracy Rising, released a report accusing members of the president's immediate family of profiteering from the Iraq occupation.

<end of snip>

Too little, too late!
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 06:59 AM
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2. Ralph, shut up, you are complicit!
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 07:24 AM
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3. What - no bashing of Democrats?
Go away Ralph - your place in history is sealed. Blood is on your hands pal.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 01:40 PM
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12. Nader has blood on his hands? WTF???
Now, I recall Bush I's Gulf War--and that Highway of Death was a real whopper.

And, I remember the 8 years of sanctions under the Clinton administration--you know, 1.5 million dead and all.

And I'd have to say, this current war is niggling at me, yet, unless memory fails me, it was authorized by a group of war criminals named John Kerry, John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman and a cadre of moderate-to-fairly liberal militarists.

Blaming Nader for this genocide is as fucking absurd as blaming Eugene Debs for our entry into WWI.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 09:14 PM
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13. Nader has enabled EVERY Bush atrocity - deal with it.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:00 AM
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4. Ask my dead son what he thinks of Nader
Well, you can't, since he has permanent residence in a VA Cemetery.

FUCK YOU, NADER! YOU KILLED MY SON, MY ONLY CHILD!
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:45 AM
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5. My sincere condolences, Zanti-
And I agree, Nadar should, as Carter so aptly put it, "return to looking at the back ends of automobiles."
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 09:16 PM
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14. Condolences Zanti. I consider Nader to be as bad as Bush.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:47 AM
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6. Finally get a national figure to critize the war and demand the troops
come home and everyone is upset! He's the only one I've heard lately. Eveyone else seems to think the election is a huge success and things are going well.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 01:05 PM
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7. Let Them Natter...
I know at least two people who voted for Nader...not because they liked Nader that much, but because they felt alienated by the Democratic 'nader' viciousness and the lame ABB shit. I know one that was going Kerry, but went Bush because of it.

Can't help but think that the Democrats anti-Nader antics probably turned off enough people to make Bush and the GOP seem not-so-bad--after all they BOTH supported the war and continue to do so. In fact quite a few are all on side with expanding the 'projection' of power to the Saudis, Iran, Syria, etc.

When you get statements like "FUCK YOU, NADER! YOU KILLED MY SON, MY ONLY CHILD!"--it's hard to take the Democratic Party or it's supporters seriously.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:13 PM
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16. What will you say if it happens to you?
I doubt you will be as mean as you are now.

I am the one with an empty chair at the kitchen table.
I am the one who phoned Goodwill to take my son's effects away.
I am the one who puts the rose on the grave.
I am the one whose heart has been torn out.
I am the one who will live the rest of his life regretting that he didn't do more to turn his son away from the Nazi Party.
I am the one who should have put his foot down and forbidden him to go to church.
I am the one who suffers every holiday.

and I hope this NEVER happens to YOU
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 01:14 PM
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8. Amazing isn't it
We see Nader, Greens, MoveOn, ANSWER, and many others protesting the war, but what do we get out of the Dems?

*crickets*

We see Nader and the Greens howling their head off about the stolen votes in Ohio, but what do we hear from the Kerry camp?

*crickets*

We have bloggers and other independent information souces jumping all over stories the MSM is suppressing, like Gannon, Bush's military record, Abu Graib, etc. etc., ad nauseum, yet what do we here from the Dems?

*crickets*

And the Dems wonder why liberals are leaving them in droves, and why the are losing, even though they are pursuing those oh so precious center votes. Maybe, could be it is because of

*crickets*
:shrug:

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PhuLoi Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 01:26 PM
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9. Liberal Dems aren't leaving in droves so much as the DNC is
leaving droves of liberal,or as I think of myself, old Dems behind. The DLC and their disgusted centrist Repubs hijack our party in hopes of making it what their's once was.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 01:34 PM
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10. I'll believe that when I see nader try and form a "movement"
instead of simply proffering a half assed "you should" critique, just like all the rest of his "you should" rhetoric.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 01:38 PM
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11. Hey, at least he is speaking out against the war
While Democrats rushed like cattle to back it, and continue to support it by approving Bush's war budgets, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that is a war based on lies and deceptions.

Nader is speaking truth to power, while all you hear from the "me too" Dems is

*crickets*
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:26 PM
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15. Nader helped with NH recount - can we cut him a break finally?
for god's sake, he's not the enemy!
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Gruenemann Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:26 PM
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17. NO
Too little, too late.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:58 PM
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18. If he'd just stayed out of the election the first time
we wouldn't be having this problem. And with the second election he was taking money from the republicans. He knew thy were funding him and he sold out. I used to respect his anti-pollution and ecology stance in the seventies. What happened to him? He must be nutz.
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