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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:43 PM
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We don't count dead Africans'
Actually, we don't count the dead in Iraq either, but the point
is well made.


Berlin - World Bank president James Wolfensohn on Thursday described the West's attitude to Africa as "immoral and frightening".

"People just don't pay enough attention to Africa. The world turns a blind eye to crises such as Sudan," Wolfensohn told Germany's state-run ZDF television.

"We are only concerned about Europeans who are killed. When people from Congo or Sudan die, their lives do not seem to count for anything.

"If people are killed in western countries or in the Middle East, then we count the dead. In Africa we do not. I find that tragic, immoral and frightening."

News24
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b... Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:44 PM
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1. not surprising...
...but at least someone said it out loud
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:45 PM
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2. President of the World Bank, yet. nt
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b... Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:52 PM
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4. well
...so what's our response going to be?

call it genocide, then get back to warring in the middle east?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:57 PM
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6. That seems to be what the governments response IS. nt
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b... Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:02 PM
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17. um...wolf in wolf clothing
read earlier today that paul wolfowitz is in line for this guys job...

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=world+bank+wolfowitz&btnG=Search+News

that can't happen, right?

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 07:31 PM
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18. This is BushAmerica, nothing it too surreal, everything is permitted. nt
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:45 AM
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23. You mean this Dentally Challenged War Criminal?


NOTE THIE NASTY SMILE THE GREY STAINED TEETH.

The look in his eye of a child MOLESTER !!!

This Guy ??
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:52 PM
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3. Check out Mark Fiore's cartoon
from the SF Chronicle.
I love this guy.
http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:55 PM
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5. Hotel Rwanda
I think Hotel Rwanda should be required viewing for every world leader and his/her foreign policy staff.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 01:01 PM
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7. Yes, saw it last week.
Out on video in April.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 01:29 PM
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8. Nearly 300,000 died in the Tsunami but...
You don't hear about it that much anymore. I remember after 3000 died on 9/11 they almost cancelled the Oscars and then chose a subdued occassion instead. This year, only 2 months after the Tsunami where 100 times the people died, it was all "who are you wearing?" la dee da talk without and solemnity. It's so sick how the far away brown people of Iraq and Africa and Asia are so irrelevant. So fucking sick.
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 02:19 PM
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12. My 10 year old son asked me about that yesterday
HE said, "How come after 9-11 they talked about it all the time and still do, but the Tsunami just happened and so many more people died and were left homeless and you don't hear anything about it anymore?"

I told him that was a very good question and tonight after school he's writing a LTTE about it.



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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 03:38 PM
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14. the farther away and the more different they are, the less important
it's like out of sight, out of mind
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 01:31 PM
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9. Tthe Devils Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce
NEGRO, n.
The piece de resistance in the American political problem. Representing him by the letter n, the Republicans begin to build their equation thus: "Let n = the white man." This, however, appears to give an unsatisfactory solution.

AFRICAN, n.
A nigger that votes our way.
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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 01:42 PM
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10. We forget our consciences because of oil
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/11/sudan112503.htm

BP, Shell, Exxon Mobil invested in Asian oil companies in Sudan.

We don't seem to care about anything but oil. When will we get control of ourselves?
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 01:59 PM
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11. When the American Farmer is the most important
resource again.

When we re-legalize the use of hemp as a farm product and stop choking out kids on high fructose corn syrup. going back to feeding cattle a hemp seed in their meal. Using the cellulose for a cellulose pyrolysis for biodeisel and bio-gas-synthetics.

The processes are not that different from what us used with the already used gas systems with only the need for tuning, yet we won't do it for the lack of convenience.

Once we have out farmers and farmlands becoming our greatest resource again we will become a country dedicated toward an interesting progress curve by theory if the drive is to literally plant more plants with less energy to produce fuel.

The upside, that which goes out goes back into the system. The outside source for the production is the sun and nature.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 03:17 PM
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13. So how many Iraqis have been
murdered?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 03:55 PM
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15. There is more to the Sudan story than meets the eye. It seems that
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 03:55 PM by applegrove
it is involved with the oil game too. The UN needs a strong mandate to investigate and stop these things.
It seems that 'genocide' has somehow become a tool for outsiders and not just the monsters inside.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 03:57 PM
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16. people made the charge during Clinton about Bosnia vs. Rwanda
it's all heartless strategy when you get down to it.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:36 PM
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19. Tragically, true
So very tragic, and justifiably condemning.
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Undercover Owl Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:55 PM
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20. There's less money to be exploited in Africa.
It's all about money.
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parsifal_e Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:24 AM
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21. kick
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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 03:39 AM
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22. Sudan has oil
so that drives the policies. Here is an article:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Africa/Sudan_Oil_Blood.html
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