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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:01 AM
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Cronkite Praises Rather's Repalcement....
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 01:24 AM by Blue to the bone
But BLASTS Rather!

<<"Although Dan did a fine job, I would have liked to have seen (Schieffer) there a long time ago," Cronkite said during an interview on CNN.>>

<<"It surprised quite a few people at CBS and elsewhere that, without being able to pull up the ratings beyond third in a three-man field, that they tolerated his being there for so long," he told CNN.>>

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050308/D88MGD900.html





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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:02 AM
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1. he's still incredibly sharp
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 01:03 AM by thebigidea
... most likely it could be that matter of uh er, Dan Rather replacing him and stuff. CBS promised he would do more things, but they kind of tried to put him to sleep. So I imagine a few decades of resentment will do that to ya.

Cronkite, though a fine newsman, is certainly not above twisting the knife a bit.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:02 AM
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2. Did you read LBN posting rules? EOM
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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:12 AM
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10. What's wrong with the post???? n/t
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:16 AM
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14. The title of your post needs to match that of the article.....EOM
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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:20 AM
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16. Okay, I'll change it. Thanks! n/t
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:26 AM
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20. Good Job.....
:hi:
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:02 AM
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3. The old fart being Rather
Rather can't hold Cronkite's jock.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:04 AM
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4. I think Cronkite would still be better than Rather
The past generation of news anchors was a big come down from the one before.

I dread to see the next one.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:45 AM
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24. we are already seeing it....
Brian Williams? :puke:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:44 AM
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28. Exactly who I had in mind
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 08:45 AM by Jack Rabbit
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 11:51 AM
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30. Where EXACTLY does Rather stand in-line now? /eom
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he lied us into war Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:05 AM
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5. I don't trust Rather. Thought he was working for rove
He could have easily deflected memo-gate by pointing out that bush used forged documents (the yellowcake letters) to gain congressional approval for his invasion of iraq. Hey - if you want a forged doc scandal that's ten times worse than what Rather did. But Rather never brought that up.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:10 AM
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7. Those "forged" Texas Air National Guard memos...
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 01:11 AM by high density
...ended up bumping a fully vetted story by Ed Bradley on the Yellowcake documents.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:12 AM
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9. Welcome to DU he lied us into war
:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

Not to mention the 60 Minutes Ben Barnes interview which confirmed that Junior was a sissy boy who weasled out of the draft.

It was sloppy journalism but nothing more. If they fired Fox reporters for it there would be no one left.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 02:31 AM
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22. He and Colin Powell can commiserate
They had a chance to be great, but opposing evil, and they blew it....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:49 AM
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25. I will never forget that interview Dan did in the UK
I believe for the BBC but may have been the Observer. Anyway that was the one where he talked about being "necklaced" if he ever told the TRUTH about the chimperor** on the nightly news! He admitted that the news folks were all lying to the American people. Amazing.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 11:49 AM
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29. unfortunately, it's true
I remember that interview. Dan was choosing his battles wisely--but dammit, if Rather won't stand up and tell the truth, who will?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:07 AM
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6. Schieffer
:puke:
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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:10 AM
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8. Chronkite read the news wonderfully, but...................
Rather digs for the truth.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:22 AM
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17. Yeah, when he went on Letterman and said
"George Bush is the President, he makes the decisions, and, you know, as just one American, wherever he wants me to line up, just tell me where" he really showed that he was a shining example of an independent press.

Somewhere, Edward R. Murrow is puking in his mouth.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:14 AM
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11. Mods!!!!!! nt
totally out of line.
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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:26 AM
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19. What's out of line? n/t
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:14 AM
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12. Rather doesn't get anywhere near the respect that Cronkite commands.
No contest. I felt sorry for Rather, but he blundered in a major way. He stepped in it, big time. Rather forgot that a healthy dose of paranoia will go a long way to curing the Rove virus.

Cronkite represents an era which is long, long gone, meaning reporting news instead of infotainment. I don't know if he would make it past mailroom clerk in today's environment, considering his ethical standards.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 02:36 AM
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23. Don't forget: The CIA had MSMedia locked up in Cronkite's day. Still do.
The CIA has RUN/STEERED the mainstream media ever since after WWII.
It still goes on today and began long before Rupert Murdoch's Fox News stunk up the air.

Cronkite was part of this Cold War propaganda era. Dan Rather occasionally made trouble and has been dealt with in the usual way, discrediting.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
(Operation Mockingbird: The Subversion of the Free Press by the CIA)

BELOW IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ARTICLE YOU'LL EVER READ. I SWEAR.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html
(The Origins of the Overclass, by Steve Kangas)

>snip<

Journalism is a perfect cover for CIA agents. People talk freely to journalists, and few think suspiciously of a journalist aggressively searching for information. Journalists also have power, influence and clout. Not surprisingly, the CIA began a mission in the late 1940s to recruit American journalists on a wide scale, a mission it dubbed Operation MOCKINGBIRD. The agency wanted these journalists not only to relay any sensitive information they discovered, but also to write anti-communist, pro-capitalist propaganda when needed.

The instigators of MOCKINGBIRD were Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham was the husband of Katherine Graham, today’s publisher of the Washington Post. In fact, it was the Post’s ties to the CIA that allowed it to grow so quickly after the war, both in readership and influence. (8)

MOCKINGBIRD was extraordinarily successful. In no time, the agency had recruited at least 25 media organizations to disseminate CIA propaganda. At least 400 journalists would eventually join the CIA payroll, according to the CIA’s testimony before a stunned Church Committee in 1975. (The committee felt the true number was considerably higher.) The names of those recruited reads like a Who's Who of journalism:

* Philip and Katharine Graham (Publishers, Washington Post)
* William Paley (President, CBS)
* Henry Luce (Publisher, Time and Life magazine)
* Arthur Hays Sulzberger (Publisher, N.Y. Times)
* Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star)
* Hal Hendrix (Pulitzer Prize winner, Miami News)
* Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal)
* James Copley (Copley News Services)
* Joseph Harrison (Editor, Christian Science Monitor)
* C.D. Jackson (Fortune)
* Walter Pincus (Reporter, Washington Post)
* ABC
* NBC
* Associated Press
* United Press International
* Reuters
* Hearst Newspapers
* Scripps-Howard
* Newsweek
* magazine Mutual Broadcasting System
* Miami Herald
* Old Saturday Evening Post
* New York Herald-Tribune

Perhaps no newspaper is more important to the CIA than the Washington Post, one of the nation’s most right-wing dailies. Its location in the nation’s capitol enables the paper to maintain valuable personal contacts with leading intelligence, political and business figures. Unlike other newspapers, the Post operates its own bureaus around the world, rather than relying on AP wire services. Owner Philip Graham was a military intelligence officer in World War II, and later became close friends with CIA figures like Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Desmond FitzGerald and Richard Helms. He inherited the Post by marrying Katherine Graham, whose father owned it.

After Philip’s suicide in 1963, Katharine Graham took over the Post. Seduced by her husband’s world of government and espionage, she expanded her newspaper’s relationship with the CIA. In a 1988 speech before CIA officials at Langley, Virginia, she stated:

We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things that the general public does not need to know and shouldn’t. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows.

This quote has since become a classic among CIA critics for its belittlement of democracy and its admission that there is a political agenda behind the Post’s headlines.

Ben Bradlee was the Post’s managing editor during most of the Cold War. He worked in the U.S. Paris embassy from 1951 to 1953, where he followed orders by the CIA station chief to place propaganda in the European press. (9) Most Americans incorrectly believe that Bradlee personifies the liberal slant of the Post, given his role in publishing the Pentagon Papers and the Watergate investigations. But neither of these two incidents are what they seem. The Post merely published the Pentagon Papers after The New York Times already had, because it wanted to appear competitive. As for Watergate, we’ll examine the CIA’s reasons for wanting to bring down Nixon in a moment. Someone once asked Bradlee: "Does it irk you when The Washington Post is made out to be a bastion of slanted liberal thinkers instead of champion journalists just because of Watergate?" Bradlee responded: "Damn right it does!" (10)

It would be impossible to elaborate in this short space even the most important examples of the CIA/media alliance. Sig Mickelson was a CIA asset the entire time he was president of CBS News from 1954 to 1961. Later he went on to become president of Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty, two major outlets of CIA propaganda.

The CIA also secretly bought or created its own media companies. It owned 40 percent of the Rome Daily American at a time when communists were threatening to win the Italian elections. Worse, the CIA has bought many domestic media companies. A prime example is Capital Cities, created in 1954 by CIA businessman William Casey (who would later become Reagan’s CIA director). Another founder was Lowell Thomas, a close friend and business contact with CIA Director Allen Dulles. Another founder was CIA businessman Thomas Dewey. By 1985, Capital Cities had grown so powerful that it was able to buy an entire TV network: ABC.

For those who believe in "separation of press and state," the very idea that the CIA has secret propaganda outlets throughout the media is appalling. The reason why America was so oblivious to CIA crimes in the 40s and 50s was because the media willingly complied with the agency. Even today, when the immorality of the CIA should be an open-and-shut case, "debate" about the issue rages in the media. Here is but one example:

In 1996, The San Jose Mercury News published an investigative report suggesting that the CIA had sold crack in Los Angeles to fund the Contra war in Central America. A month later, three of the CIA’s most important media allies — The Washington Post, The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times — immediately leveled their guns at the Mercury report and blasted away in an attempt to discredit it. Who wrote the Post article? Walter Pincus, longtime CIA journalist. The dangers here are obvious.

>snip<

more...please read the whole article and everything you can find from Steve Kangas who died of a gunshot to the head in the offices of Richard Mellon Scaife, the man who hunted Clinton with dollar bills.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:16 AM
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13. Rather is to Cronkite
as Jesse Jackson was to MLK.

Gyre
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:17 AM
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15. Cronkite never has spoken highly of Rather
this is noting new.
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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:23 AM
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18. Screwed up, sorry. n/t
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 01:25 AM by Blue to the bone
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 02:29 AM
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21. Schieffer is Rather's replacement?
Aw come on.

He's okay. But the new CBS anchor??????????

If Dan Rather is 73, Schieffer is, like, what -- 72?

Sometimes it is better to be sorry than safe....

Personally, I'd hand it over to Lesley Stahl in a heartbeat. She would be an outstanding success. These people have their heads up their asses....

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:54 AM
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26. not to mention a wee bit of a conflict of interest ....
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 05:56 AM by leftchick
http://www.timeswatch.org/twarticles/2005/20050218.asp

<snip>
Friday's front-page story from Jacques Steinberg and David Sanger relates the nomination of Tom Schieffer as ambassador to Japan. The twist? Tom Schieffer's brother is Bob Schieffer, host of CBS's "Face the Nation" and soon to be interim anchor for the "CBS Evening News."

That triggers the Times' sensitive conflict-detector: "CBS News executives say Bob's connections to the Bush administration through his brother -- including the fact that Bob got to know the future president well during 'dozens' of baseball games that he attended with him, before Mr. Bush was even governor of Texas -- played no role in his being tapped to succeed Dan Rather. Mr. Rather is stepping down on March 9 as anchor of the evening news in the wake of his role in a report, now discredited, that said it raised new questions about Mr. Bush's National Guard service. But it has not been lost on senior White House aides that the temporary face of CBS News is one the president knows well, and not only through Bob's 36 years on camera for the network. By contrast, even before the broadcast of the guard report, the White House had considered Mr. Rather -- who clashed famously with Mr. Bush's father in a live television interview in 1988 -- to be perhaps the most hostile to the president of the major news anchors."

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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 07:16 AM
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27. Bob Schieffer victory at all cost
If that means re-instituting the draft, so be it.
If that means American troops posted in Iraq for
as long as they were stationed in Germany, so be it.
If that means spending billions to attack the root causes
of terrorism, it will be money well spent. :puke:

Inside Bohemian Grove



The members stay in different camps at the
Grove, which have varying status levels.
Members and frequent guests of the most
prestigious camp (Mandalay) include: Henry
Kissinger, George Schultz, S.D. Bechtel, Jr.,
Thomas Watson, Jr., (IBM), Phillip Hawley (B of
A), William Casey (CIA), and Ralph Bailey
(Dupont). George Bush resides in a less
prestigious camp (Hillbillies) with A.W. Clausen
(World Bank), Walter Cronkite, and William F.
Buckley. :eyes:

http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bohos/bohofact.html

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archivebohemiangrove.html
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