Schindler family attorney sees Schiavo; Jesse Jackson to visit

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3136550&nav=0RceY0mI

<snip>Meanwhile, civil rights advocate Jesse Jackson is scheduled to arrive at the hospice today to meet with the Schindlers.

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[tx_dem41]

1. Jesse needs to stay out of this.

Unless invited by the Schindlers, this is NOW a private matter. Even the Schindlers have asked for privacy at this time.

[Nostradammit]

39. Sooprise, Sooprise!

[genieroze]

67. I believe they did request for him to be there. eom

[bluedog]

2. our local news

says the parents asked HIM to come.................they still want the media around........sick freaks.

[tx_dem41]

3. I'm stunned if the news on the invitation bears out to be true...

but, I still wouldn't call a grieving family, "sick freaks". I've been there.

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. Did you allow your loved one

to be exploited in this way? Did you allow pictures of them in their worst condition flashed around the world 24/7?

Sorry these folks are sick and selfish people who have created this circus.

[tx_dem41]

7. If someone I raised and loved was dying...and I felt that she...

was still conscious in some way (as they do), I don't know what I would be capable of doing. It wouldn't make me a sick freak.

[silverlib]

20. Are these parents the users

or the used?

I doubt that we would let ourselves be used, but then, in their state of mind, where's the surprise? They've been being used for so long that they think they are the heroes and they have been treated as such.

Where will the government be when this is over - where will their "followers" be? These people are in a lot of emotional trouble when this fiasco goes away.

The administration is backing off and the crowds will soon follow. I don't think their spiritual leader and spokesperson, Terry, will stick around when the cameras are gone.

[Demit]

12. I doubt you felt the compulsion to grieve so publicly.

That's what's so sickening in this saga.

[tx_dem41]

14. I don't know what I would do, if I were in their shoes.

That's why I haven't judged their behavior in this matter. Having gone through a long, drawn-out death with my mother, I empathize with everyone going through this process.

[Demit]

16. Would you contemplate using your loved one like this?

"The parents of Terri Schiavo have authorized a conservative direct-mailing firm to sell a list of their financial supporters, making it likely that thousands of strangers moved by her plight will receive a steady stream of solicitations from anti-abortion and conservative groups.

"These compassionate pro-lifers donated toward Bob Schindler's legal battle to keep Terri's estranged husband from removing the feeding tube from Terri," says a description of the list on the Web site of the firm, Response Unlimited, which is asking $150 a month for 6,000 names and $500 a month for 4,000 e-mail addresses of people who responded last month to an e-mail plea from Ms. Schiavo's father..."

...

...Mr. Schindler agreed to the arrangement in a conversation with Phil Sheldon, the co-founder of a conservative online marketing organization, RightMarch.com, who acted as a broker for Response Unlimited."

more at http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/politics/29donate.html

[tx_dem41]

18. I saw that story after I posted my last response....

With the caveat that I don't know what the Schindlers' present financial status is, no, I would not do that.

[saracat]

30. Would you be using your loved one to make a profit?

They have been making money off of Terry. The more publicity they get the more MONEY they make. They have already been cited several times for accounting regularities for their "foundation" . It seems they are too busy calling Michael a murderer and pocketing cash to account for the funds or prove they spent it on Terri!

[tx_dem41]

33. See my response in post #18.

[prolesunited]

4. This is just so bizarre

The groups they are catering to absolutely *hate* Jesse Jackson. I wonder how they are going to react?

[Judi Lynn]

11. Yep, it doesn't take much to flush out the Jesse-haters, does it?

They acted the same way toward Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., too. I remember it all too well. Found any number of ways to vent their filthy hatred about him at the drop of a pin.

Completely disrespectful toward him and everyone else who was trying to make life better for the ones the racist idiots wanted to kick to the curb.

Ignorance, and wildly bad breeding produces these psychological monstrosities passing themselves off as ordinary human beings.

[tx_dem41]

13. There are many MLK followers and associates that are not

fans of Jesse Jackson. I'm ambivalent on the issue myself.

[0007]

21. You just said you didn't want Jesse Jackson involved, which is it?

[tx_dem41]

22. Can you please point out where I said I wanted him involved and...

thus, contradicted myself?

[0007]

23. They only dress up like human beings!

:hi:

[Judi Lynn]

55. When they open their mouths the mystery's over. n/t

[VegasWolf]

37. They will simply use Jackson then laugh at him behind his back. n/t

[Tomee450]

57. Jesse doesn't

care what people will say. He is a Baptist minister who supports life. He is fighting for Terri and I applaud him. He is aware that his position is not popular but is trying to save Terri's life anyway. I think he is courageous, unlike some who originally said they wanted the tube reinserted. They ran for cover after the polls came out and haven't been heard from for days.

[ElectroPrincess]

6. These parents are a kid's worst nightmare ...

It must have been a "living hell" growing up with such arrogant "control freaks." You know the kind of folks who are ALWAYS RIGHT no matter what ... the folks who ask you what you wish to do, then TELL YOU what you are going to do.

These people (the Schindlers) are sick control freaks and attention seekers. We are feeding into their (and our?) illness by paying any attention to these nut cases.

[Carni]

74. Funny you should say that... TS was bulemic

I had a friend who was anorexic.

These eating disorders supposedly stem from the fact, that the person that has them, has no control over any aspect of their lives.
(or so said my friend's shrink)

TS developed this disorder before she met her husband and I sometimes wonder if the parents were such domineering types that they drove her to her eating disorder in the first place.

Aside from my own speculation on that matter...I lost all respect for the parents when I learned about the list they are selling.

I think that was just WAYYYYY too politically motivated for my tastes.

[Spazito]

15. The Schindler family seems to have become addicted

to the camera. How many times now have they said they will not say anything more only to be out there again in front of the camera. This will not end on Mrs. Schiavo's death, imo. The Schindler family and their 'supporters' will continue to try and milk this for as long as the media will cover them.

[Ganja Ninja]

8. I'm sure the Freepers will be indignant about this ...

and call Jesse Jackson an exploiter.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

9. what is rush going to say about jesse now that the schindlers invited him?

hehe
:silly:

[sniffa]

10. but, when wiLL michaeL jackson get invoLved?

that's reaLLy what this whoLe situation has been caLLing for.

[NNN0LHI]

17. Why haven't the Boosh brothers been there to console the family?

:hide:

[Buns_of_Fire]

19. Better still, why aren't they there HEALING the poor girl?

Invite Brother Falwell, Brother Robertson, Brother Hinn, Brother Frist, and Brother DeLay, too! Could any earthly affliction resist the combined power of the Magnificent Seven?

[NNN0LHI]

24. Never even thought of that. Thanks for the reminder n/t

[okieinpain]

73. man if I was drinking milk, it would have been coming out of my

nose. funny shit.

[Tempest]

170. And why isn't Falwell healing himself?

Oh ye of little faith.

[AspenRose]

176. Falwell is too busy trying to get healing himself

with his heart attack and all.

It'll be interesting to see if his attitude "adjusts" after the heart attack.

[The Stranger]

25. Probably because they realized it was not politically expedient.

The poll numbers are making politicians run from this like the plague. Someone needs to wake up Jesse and tell him that this thing is over and visiting now is extremely unintelligent.

[slackmaster]

26. The beer is in the cooler, the popcorn is ready for the microwave

Might as well get some entertainment value out of it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

27. Good, I am glad Jackson is visiting. If ever there were an event

that called for someone with good mediation skills, it is this one. Too bad the Schindlers would have never been open to this 5 years ago.

[bluedog]

28. link to "invitation

At the invitation of Schiavo's family, the Rev. Jesse Jackson visited the hospice Tuesday to pray with the Schindlers. Jackson last week issued a statement backing reinsertion of Schiavo's feeding tube and calling for her supporters to use "this same passion" to combat hunger and starvation worldwide.



http://ap.tbo.com/ap/florida/MGBWS0T8W6E.html



edit for link

[NNN0LHI]

29. Thank you for finding that n/t

[NNN0LHI]

31. Wolf Blitzer is interviewing Jesse on CNN right now n/t

[skotrussell]

32. Oh my God, I just heard...

...the Schindlers are asking Larry from "Three's Company" to meet with them later today. Developing...

[Stand and Fight]

36. Ha ha... Not funny but very transparent. n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

34. Freeper heads must be exploding!

Jessie Jackson on THEIR side?????

Stand back, they're gonna blow!

[bluedog]

35. link to jackson statement

Jesse Jackson weighs in on Schiavo case
Schiavo's parents say daughter weakened; autopsy planned



PINELLAS PARK -- The parents of Terri Schiavo demonstrated today that their support for reinserting their brain-damaged daughter's feeding tube extends beyond the religious right, meeting and praying with the Rev. Jesse Jackson who called her impending death "an injustice."

Jackson said he would call state senators who opposed legislation that would have reinserted Schiavo's feeding tube and ask them to reconsider. Terri Schiavo was in her 12th day without food and water. Her husband and guardian, Michael Schiavo, has insisted that he was carrying out her wishes by having her feeding tube pulled.

"I feel so passionate about this injustice being done, how unnecessary it is to deny her a feeding tube, water, not even ice to be used for her parched lips," said the civil rights leader who has run for president as a Democrat and has supported liberal causes. "This is a moral issue and it transcends politics and family disputes."

Jackson's arrival today was greeted by some applause and cries of "This is about civil rights."

"I wanted the Reverend Jackson here for moral support," said Mary Schindler, Terri Schiavo's mother. "I feel good with him here. Very strong. He gives me strength."

Schiavo's father, Bob Schindler, said he visited his daughter today and said she was "failing."

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After Jackson's news conference, a man was tackled to the ground by officers when he tried to storm into the hospice, Pinellas Park police said.

Dow Pursley, 56, of Scranton, Pa., was shocked with a Taser stun gun and was arrested on charges of attempted burglary and resisting arrest without violence, police spokesman Sanfield Forseth said. The man had two bottles of water with him but did not reach the hospice door, police said. He is the 47th protester arrested.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-bk-...

[hippiechick]

38. Jesse needs a reality check.

Hopefully, having seen her and spoken with her doctors, he now realizes that SHE WILL NOT RECOVER.

One does not heal from NOT HAVING A CEREBRAL CORTEX.

He needs to get over his long-standing case of spotlight addiction.

[Tomee450]

58. Why are you attacking Jackson?

Jesse Jackson is often asked to intervene and he usually complies. I agree totally with Jackson and am glad to see him with the Schindlers. Furthermore, Jackson is a Christian as I am. We believe in the power of God, unlike, it appears, many in this forum. If I were Terri's parents and believed my daughter never said what her husband claimed, I'd be using every means possible to save her life.

[hippiechick]

66. Because it's my opinion.

Thank you.

[Tomee450]

68. I think there

just might be another reason.

[geniph]

61. Um, Jesse? She can't have water or ice anyway.

She'd drown. It's not like she was getting ice-cold drinks to "soothe her parched lips" before - the feeding tube is surgically implanted through the abdominal wall. She hasn't had liquid in her mouth in years. It's not like taking out the feeding tube is altering that.

(and we won't even mention that, lacking a cerebral cortex, one also lacks the processing center to process nerve impulses from the mouth and throat.)

[Mister K]

40. Jackson Prays With Terri Schiavo's Parents

Jackson Prays With Terri Schiavo's Parents
Mar 29, 12:50 PM (ET)

By RON WORD

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (AP) - The parents of Terri Schiavo met and prayed Tuesday with the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who called her impending death "an injustice."

Joining the conservatives who have rallied to the parents' cause, the liberal Jackson said he would call state senators who opposed legislation that would have reinserted Schiavo's feeding tube and ask them to reconsider.

Terri Schiavo was in her 12th day without food and water. Her husband and guardian, Michael Schiavo, has insisted that he was carrying out her wishes by having her feeding tube pulled. His lawyer said Monday that an autopsy was planned to show the extent of Terri Schiavo's brain damage.

Jackson's arrival Tuesday was greeted by some applause and cries of "This is about civil rights."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050329/D894PAMO1.html

[Ron Green]

41. Hmmm... I wonder what this move is about?

[Mister K]

43. Probably trying to show that not all Dems want her dead?

I am still waiting for Reverend Al....

[OldLeftieLawyer]

42. Ignore

[OldLeftieLawyer]

44. Oh, boy, the Kiss of Death has arrived!

Whenever Jesse Jackson shows up, you just KNOW it's a lost cause.

Then, he'll have to skedaddle on north to Virginia so that he can pray with his fellow clergyman and righteous hypocrite, Jerry "Dead Fuck Walking" Falwell.

I'll bet the Pope's really nervous right about now.

[Amy6627]

46. If Falwell goes on life support, I hope his family yanks the

cord like they're starting a lawnmower!

:evilgrin:

[DearAbby]

54. Family yanks the cord like they're starting a lawnmower!

YOU ARE GONNA BUUUUURN for that... :rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

70. LOL! That is good... 9.9 from the American judge! (nt)

[ElectroPrincess]

45. This is NOT good :(

Get the damn Government (and Religion) out of our hospital rooms!

[Tomee450]

59. Well,

if I'm ever hospitalized, I want God right there in the hospital room with me. There have been many cases of miraculous healing which the doctors could not understand. I happen to believe in the power of prayer.

[ElectroPrincess]

72. Then pray she grows (regenerates) and entire cerebral cortex ...

But that's not going to happen ... against *all* previous scientific findings, i.e., brain tissue does NOT regenerate. It never happened before and if it does, look out your hospital window to see the "pigs fly."

[GOPFighter]

48. More, in the WP

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9803-2005Mar29.html

"Jackson, who said he was asked by the Schindlers to join them after they saw him advocating on their behalf on television, placed calls to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) and to members of the state legislature in hopes of pressuring a last-minute intervention.

"This is one of the profound moral and ethical breaches of our time," Jackson said. "Today, we pray for a miracle."

The appearance of Jackson, who arrived in a white-stretch limousine, set off a tremendous commotion on the two-lane, dead-end street where Woodside hospice is located. Schiavo's mother, Mary Schindler, said Jackson told her "to pray."

White-stretch Limo. Nice touch, Jesse.

Sigh! and I used to have so much respect for you.....

[Tomee450]

60. How ridiculous.

You have no respect for Jackson despite the many good things he's done because he came in a stretch limo? Are you sure you ever liked him? How do you know the limo was not provided for him? Because someone rides in a limo doesn't seem a good reason to disrespect him.

[Ilsa]

49. My understanding is that it is too late.

Her kidneys stopped producing urine a couple of days ago. I thought I heard one of them say she is past the point of no return now.

Then again, I suppose anything can happen...

[OrwellwasRight]

47. My guess is that Jackson was dispatched

just so that there would be a known Democrat participating in all the press frenzy. Notice that although he is saying things a little on the weird side (seems to be implying that every dying person should always be hooked up to a food tube...), he is saying the Dem Party line that the Federal gov't should not have gotten invovled to order the courts to intervene in this family matter. And frankly, the polls show that people of both parties back us up on the non-interference position. I don't know why we aren't shouting it from the rooftops. Howard? Anyone?

Cricket, cricket...

[oasis]

53. I agree. (eom)

[delhurgo]

50. Yes, this whole fiasco has backfired on conservatives

and republicans so now they're trying to make it look bi-partisan to limit the damage. Jessie Jackson is helping to deflect the blame. He's being used by them. Ill bet he knows it though; he just can't resist getting in front of tv cameras. Wherever there's free publicity and tv cameras there's Jessie Jackson.

I have thought all along that this was a way for the SchWINDLERS to make money, not entirely but to a large degree. Money will be rolling into to their "Terri Foundation" as a result of this. This was the perfect tv event, they'll make millions - and expect books and movie deals as well. Also, the brother, Bobby, sure seems like he's running for something - at least thats the feeling I get. Ill predict he runs for congress in '06.

[ElectroPrincess]

51. The situation you describe above is "morally bankrupt" ... just sick /eom

[Seabiscuit]

52. Oh, just great. Jesse "I'm a media whore" Jackson steps in doodoo again.

[NNN0LHI]

56. Would it had been better if the family invited him and he had refused?

Please think about that for a minute before answering.

Don

[Seabiscuit]

63. I thought about it for more than a minute. The answer is yes.

He should keep his ass-kissing butt out of this.

[Carolab]

69. I think he could have consented to pray with the family but NOT as back up

His opinion that this is an "injustice" is just uncalled-for. Mrs. Schindler only apparently asked him to come and pray. Okay, fine, but stop "politicizing" except to say that the government shouldn't intervene in these cases (which he DID do, and that's great).

[Tomee450]

62. Jesse is no media whore.

He doesn't beg the media to cover him, they do it on their own. It's sickening that some people use every opportunity to bash Jackson or Sharpton. In the past it was Martin Luther King and other black leaders. For your information, Mrs. Schindler said they asked Jesse to come down. He did not volunteer. This is often the case with Jackson. People call him and he responds and the media covers him. Then certain people who dislike Jackson because of his strong support for civil rights call him a media whore.

[Seabiscuit]

64. Hey! Don't you dare lump Martin Luther King and Sharpton with Jackson!

King would have been rolling in his grave if he heard what Jackson's up to, pandering to the evil lying hypocritical Schindlers just for the media attention.

King would never have done that.

And Sharpton isn't either.

I have all the respect in the world for Martin Luther King. I once shook his hand back when he came to Oberlin College to speak in 1964.

Sharpton's a funny, clever guy, a little weird, but I do respect him.

I used to have some respect for Jackson. He lost it all today.

And don't you DARE ever falesly accuse me of opposing civil rights again. GOT IT???

:grr:

[Tomee450]

71. I will indeed dare to

lump Sharpton, King, and Jackson, all black leaders vilified because of their support of civil rights. King was call a rabble rouser and a communist for attempting to make things better for millions of people. And your post shows you know absolutely nothing about Martin Luther king. You really should do some reading about him. He would not be rolling in his grave; he would be standing right beside Jackson. His history clearly shows that. As for as you no longer having respect for Jackson, I find it hard to believe someone who expresses such sentiment ever did. Jesse Jackson has fought his entire life for justice, for civil rights. He has jeopardized his own life in attempting to obtain the freedom of American soldiers. He has led the fight to enroll minority voters most of whom support the democrats. I find it hard to believe that someone who supposedly respected Jackson is willing to dismiss a life of good works just because he differs with you on a single issue. Jesse Jackson is not without fault,he is human. However, he is a good, courageous person who had done a lot for this country.

[Seabiscuit]

174. "all vilified because of their support of civil rights"????

What rock have you been living under during your what, 20 years of life???

I've seen some pretty outrageous posts in reponse to mine from people I suspected were guilty of trolling or freeping over the years, but yours take the cake - so you are the first I've ever placed on "Ignore".

[Tomee450]

178. Unfortunately

some people cannot accept the truth.

[Carni]

75. I think the reich wingers told the Schindlers to invite Jackson

To take the heat off of the fact that the the bush's and their neo Con Christians have been driving this whole thing right off of a cliff for the last two weeks.

Now the uninformed that have paid minimal attention to this fiasco can point and say "see see it's that damned Jesse Jackson behind this circus" in Florida.

As to Jackson accepting the invite?

I don't see that he had too much choice--if he had said no they would have yelled about him being a hypocrite because he's a Rev.

I am really not a Jackson fan, nor a Jackson detractor...
I feel pretty neutral about him.

[Seabiscuit]

175. First they tried to vilify the Dems; with Jackson they're trying to co-opt

- and Jackson fell for it, and is spouting right-wing fundie KKKristian crap in support of the evil Schindlers. Jackson's completely lost his mind.

[Carni]

179. After hearing Jackson's odd comments about "we have food etc"

I tend to agree with you--his speeches to the press were peculiar to say the least!

[Judi Lynn]

65. Update to story:Rev. Jackson Prays With Schiavo's Family

Rev. Jackson Prays With Schiavo's Family

Jesse Jackson Prays With the Parents of Terri Schiavo, Calls Her Impending Death 'An Injustice'

By MIKE SCHNEIDER Associated Press Writer

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. Mar 29, 2005 — As Terri Schiavo entered her 12th full day without food or water, the Rev. Jesse Jackson prayed with her parents Tuesday and joined conservatives in calling for state lawmakers to order her feeding tube reinserted.

The former Democratic presidential candidate was invited by Schiavo's parents to meet with activists outside Schiavo's hospice. His arrival was greeted by some applause and cries of "This is about civil rights!"

"I feel so passionate about this injustice being done, how unnecessary it is to deny her a feeding tube, water, not even ice to be used for her parched lips," he said. "This is a moral issue and it transcends politics and family disputes."

Jackson's visit provided an emotional boost to Schiavo's parents and siblings, who have maintained that Schiavo would want to be kept alive. Her husband, Michael Schiavo, insists he is carrying out her wishes by having the feeding tube pulled.
(snip/...)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=624486

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As Don has mentioned, would it NOT have looked damned strange if Jesse Jackson, a minister, would have REFUSED to respect the Schindler's INVITATION? He did NOT call them and tell them he was coming, a slight detail overlooked in the wash of rancor.

Of course that would have denied some citizens among us the opportunity to spew their inestimable opinions of the man, as if we hadn't already heard that crap.

[plasticsundance]

76. It's my understanding that

the Schindler's had asked Jackson after hearing his public statements concerning the matter. Evidently, Jackson's position is clear, and his stance on the matter is a threat to our the right to die.

Jackson also apparently believes that Congress can intrude into the matter. He's even phoning fellow democrats to change their opposing position. Someone should remind Jackson about the separation of church and state.

[Moderator]

77. kick to combine

[Moderator]

78. kick to combine

[Tweed]

79. Rev. Jackson joins Schiavo fight

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-jesse30.html

The Rev. Jesse Jackson, who described the court decision to remove Terri Schiavo's feeding tube as "cruel and crude," prayed with the ailing woman's parents Tuesday as she survived without food and water for the 12th day.

"I feel hurt personally by this," Jackson said, echoing concerns of political conservatives after a five-hour meeting with Bob and Mary Schindler outside the Florida hospice where Schiavo lay, her condition deteriorating.

"We should do all we can to sustain life. In this case, she is dying on our control. You're taking away food and water and not even giving her an ice cube for her parched lips. . . . We cannot be that callous about human life."

Schiavo's husband and legal guardian, Michael, denied Jackson's request to pray at his wife's bedside. Michael Schiavo has maintained his brain-damaged spouse would not want to be kept alive by extraordinary means.

[drdon326]

80. JJ is a great caring man who as always stood by the less fortunate.

And MS wont even meet with him.

[Tempest]

123. Jackson is grandstanding

Michael is right not to meet with him.


Where was Jackson when Bush and the Repugs were cutting food stamps and Medicare to the poor?

[Bryn]

133. I read that Michael Schiavo Put Down Terri's Cats

somewhere over the internet while back after Terr's heart attack happened. I don't know if this is true. If this is true, then it shows what kind of person Michael really is. Terri's parents offered to take those cats in, but he rejected their offer and had her cats put down. When I read that, I started to have doubts about Michael. He could have let her parents/sister/brother take care of Terri, move on to his new life with Jodi and two babies since Terri isn't terminally ill, neither is she brain-dead. As for Terri's wish to die in this state ... that is still heresay..how do we know the truth?? Why after 7 years he brought this up after winning the money in lawsuit? This doesn't sit well with me.

[Tempest]

136. I heard he gave them to Bill Frist

And Frist performed experiments on them.


The amount of rumor going around never ceases to suprise me.

[drdon326]

137. Nor should it sit well....

MS got everything he wanted

malpractice money
new babe and family
fooled the courts

and now gets rid of his wife.


Pretty slick, Michael.

[Tempest]

139. You're wrong.

The money was controlled by a judge who had to approve ALL expenditures.

It is a lie that Michael got the money.


Fooled the courts?

Do you think so little of the U.S. judicial system to believe more than 10 courts got it wrong?

Jeesh, and I thought I was jaded.

[drdon326]

143. He got $ 300,000......

The other $ 700,000 was for her care....FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE...THATS WHAT HE TOLD THE JURY AT THE MALPRACTICE TRIAL.

Funny how he didnt tell the jury how she wouldnt want to live like this. Must have been an oversight on his part.

[Tempest]

145. Immaterial

The $300,000 was for his loss of companionship. Standard fare in any lawsuit of this kind.


Regardless of what her wishes are, the court still would have found for her in the malpractice suit.

And the rest of her life at the time of the court case was measured in just a few short years. That's why she's currently receiving Medicade payments for her care.


Why do we even bother to try to educate the ignorant about this case?

[Liberal Veteran]

150. He got that in 1992....gone now.

Those pesky facts.

[drdon326]

153. But he got his money that he wanted.....

then the babe
then the kids
then the courts


now eliminate the last problem.

PRICELESS.

[Liberal Veteran]

155. Oh, come now.

If he really wanted money, he could have taken both the 1 million dollars AND the 10 millions dollars he was offered in the last couple of years to divorce Terri.

If he were truly as selfish as SOME people make him out to be, why wouldn't he have taken the money?

And don't give me any business about him not wanting to "look bad".

People who are that selfish don't see things that way. They don't really care about how other people view them.

[Name removed]

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[daleo]

151. I heard the mother suggested he put the cats down.

I don't know if this is true either.

As for Terri Shiavo's wishes, the court has decided they weren't hearsay, as 3 separate witnesses testified that she said this (they heard her say it). Hearsay evidence is when someone hears some rumor, and repeats it without actually witnessing anything themselves. Kind of like what you and I both did with the statements about the cats.

[demgurl]

154. The fact that MS is the only one who seems concerned about TS

and what her issues were when her brian actually funbctioned screams that this man is above approach. And it is not only MS that has said TS wanted to die - two members of her family said it IN COURT as well!

Will the freepers not end their lies just to try and make MS look bad?????

Put it this way, with a couple of members of her family saying TS wanted to die, no matter what else you say it does not change what TS wanted. Can't we even respect what SHE wanted?

[Bryn]

156. Found Links: Michael Schivao Put Down Terri's Beloved Cats!

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/071958.php

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Some people claim that Michael Schiavo should have the decision to make, euthanasia or no, because he is Terri's loving husband. Loving, huh? Would a loving husband have put Terri's beloved pet cats to sleep after her brain injury?

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http://www.earnedmedia.org/dcl0320.htm

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Terri had two beloved cats that she adopted from an animal shelter, where they'd landed after being mistreated. When he moved in with his girlfriend, Cindy, he had Terri's cats euthanized. Psychologically, this is symbolic of what he is trying to do now to Terri.

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So this is true Michael Schivao *did* put her beloved cats to sleep. I am withdrawing my support for that SOB..sorry..this is me! There are plenty of people out there who would gladly have adopted Terri's cats. I know I would!

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[Bryn]

166. by Google

I found the links by googling. I am still searching for more reliable sources. I am at work right now. I just want the truth...Hey, be nice, "demgurl" Why this "go back to freeperville" Huh ??

[Tempest]

171. Cites from Google also show Terri's mother being the one to put them down

So who are you going to believe?

Oh, you already made it clear who you believe.

[genius]

81. Jackson is right. Also, Michael Shiavo is an adulterer.

What is the difference between Michael Shiave and Scott Peterson? I had no idea that Shiavo had a mistress and children by the mistress and was waiting until he killed off his wife to marry the mistress. The parents need to be the ones to decide. They are the ones with their daughter's interests at heart.

[drdon326]

83. Agree...

MS has major conflict of interests.

[spooked911]

84. Gimme a break. You obviously know nothing about the

details of this case.

Genius? Not.

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[spooked911]

97. You need to read more about this case than right-wing

talking points.

MS is trying to carry out his wife's wishes. Would you want your significant other in TS's state for 15 years?

If you were Terri, would you want your spouse to suspend their life for fifteen years?

[genius]

110. It's about common decency - not spin. I guess it's OK to kill

just because Bush is also opposed to the killing. Congress was wrong in using a 3-man vote to approve a Bill of Attainder. But Jackson is right about the girl. I would love to see a law that would ensure that future Michael Shiavos are nailed for murder and get their own chance to wait on death row until the moratorium or abolition comes.

[Tempest]

114. Is it the medication?

This is about respecting the wishes of Terri.


I guess you're unaware that along with her husband, two of Terri's girlfriends testified IN COURT that Terri said she would not want to live like this.

[spooked911]

147. What about what Terri Schiavo wants?

What if she wanted to die with dignity? You won't let her?

There is a reason the courts have been unanimous in not redeciding the Schiavo case. I suggest you learn what that reason is.

[Liberal Veteran]

148. It a vast judicial conspiracy....

...yeah...that's the ticket! A conspiracy!

[demgurl]

157. Common Decency?

Common Decency is where three people come forward to say that TS, in life, said she wanted to die if she were in this state. Common decency is respecting the wishes of those who make them. Common decency is letting her die with dignity as she requested.

What if there is even a small bit of her mind left? Not enough to matter but just s dribble and she is crying out from inside to honor her wishes? What if the courts had decided Terri's opinion just did not matter and she was, in effect, kept alive as a prisoner by her parents because of their selfishness?

This whole thing has made me so uneasy because I have always let it be known that I did not want to love in a vegetative state but now I am uneasy that I could be taken prisoner by some uncaring people. I mean how many people do I have to let know to pull the plug for me when I am unable? I would have thought three family members would be enough - it was for every single court, but we have seen that that is still not enough for some lay people out there. How dare someone decide what she asked for in life is just not important. Sheesh, what an ego!

[drdon326]

111. Riiiiiight....everyone who doesnt agree with you uses "RW talking points"

And JJ is a rwer too, huh?

The usual "if you dont agree with me, you must be a rwer".

pathetic.

[Liberal Veteran]

103. Not too put too fine a point on it, but the "slut" remark is sexist.

You don't know anything about this woman, but you are labeling her a slut because Michael waited 8 years for his wife to recover before seeking companionship at the urging of his own in-laws?

[Sal316]

86. Is this an April Fool's joke?

First off, Terri's parents urged him to date again years after she became incapacitated. The story is linked in this week's TTCI.

Secondly, the fact that he stayed married, the other lady knows, and so do the parents, is a testimony to how much he cares about her and took his 'till death do us part' vow seriously.

Can you imagine, for one second, what the RW whackos would be saying if he divorced her AFTER her incapacitation? They'd be calling him a monster, an uncaring sob. I'd agree, he'd be no better than Dole or Gingrich in that case.

(hopes that your post was a transcript of what he was saying)

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[Tempest]

100. Just how much about this case do you know?

He stood beside his wife for more than 5 years.

Terri's parents encouraged him to get on with his life.

After almost 10 years, he finally got on with his life.


The fact that you're calling his girlfriend a slut speaks volumes about you.

And you're no Liberal, regardless of what you might think of yourself.

[saskatoon]

167. and Tempest

That guy is not only not a liberal he is not a---ye gods-- genius!

[Tempest]

169. Exactly

If he's a genius, then my IQ is off the charts.

And most likely just about everyone else's in here.

[Malva Zebrina]

102. well then he should have laid with Terri for fifteen years

every night, he looks like a viril man, and possibly could have had at least ten children by her, even though she is unresponsive, cannot recognize that she is alive, cannot communicate, and is missing a significant part of her brain --she still has a uterus though.

Please, grow up.

[Sal316]

107. Wow.... uhh....

You're as much a liberal as I am a chinese jet pilot.

(hint: not at all)

Try actually reading about the case instead of parroting what you're hearing on Fox.

[cornermouse]

88. Yep. Longest running murder in history. 15 years.

Think about that for a while. Perhaps you'll see just how foolish it is.

[genius]

96. He would have killed her sooner if he could have gotten away with it.

The law and the courts wouldn't allow him to.

[Tempest]

104. Oh, I get it

You're playing devil's advocate.

No one can really believe what you're saying.

Except, of course, someone who was ignorant of the situation.

[Liberal Veteran]

108. So how long should a spouse wait before seeking companionship?

Apparently 8 years isn't enough.

When do you think it's okay for a spouse to start moving on and living their lives?

[genius]

116. If he wants a second wife, he should give up custody of his first wife.

He shouldn't be allowed to kill her for the second wife.

[Tempest]

119. You continue to ignore the evidence

Emotions are a good thing when controlled, but lead to stupidity when followed.

[Liberal Veteran]

120. You didn't answer my question.

You repeated yourself.

So what if he has a girlfriend? After 8 years of trying to help his wife and coming to the realization that she would not recover, do you believe he has to martyr himself for another decade while trying to carry out Terri's final wish?

I think it would be the height of selfishness to expect your spouse to live as a eunuch while you were in a hospital bed totally unresponsive for 15 years.

I love my boyfriend enough to wish him to be happy. I also want him to carry out my last wish not to live like that.


I am appalled at your lack of compassion and inflammatory rhetoric on this.

[Gannon Man Date]

90. To be fair

Jackson is an adulterer too.

I think that MS is not a good-hearted person, but his rights must be protected from Republican fundie infringement.

[genius]

98. To be fair, Jackson loves his wife and wants her alive.

[Tempest]

106. How do you know?

For all you know Jesse considered offing his wife so he could marry his mistress.

[genius]

117. Because I'm a Democrat who knows who are great leaders are.

[Tempest]

121. Your opinion

>>who knows who are great leaders are<<

That's an opinion.

Everyone has one, and it usually stinks.


As does yours in this case.

[Retired AF Dem]

159. Just to make sure I have this right

everyone on DU has to have the exact same opinion?

[MADem]

105. AND--Jackson has a bebe by the OTHER woman!

AND--he is STILL MARRIED to Mrs. Jackson!

The only difference is that Mrs. Jackson did not suffer from bulemia and go into cardiac arrest 15 years ago, and have her brain atrophied. If anyone is torturing anyone, it's Jesse, for his uncaring attitude towards his wife, who has the capability to warm the marital bed and the capability to clearly UNDERSTAND that her husband was catting around on her.

[genius]

118. You would compare a wife-killer to someone who supports his wife?

[Tempest]

122. The fact that you continue to call him a wife-killer

Demonstrates your lack of maturity in addressing this issue.

What school yard taunt are you going to come up with next?

[Liberal Veteran]

125. Seems to me that Michael DID and IS supporting his wife.

He spent 8 years trying to help her recovery.

Now he is honoring her wish not to live like that now that it has become apparent she will never recover.

He turned down millions of dollars and stood up to the bullies on the right fighting for his wife when the easiest thing in the world would have been to divorce Terri, take the money, and wash his hands of it.

And all you can do is focus on a relationship he started after it became obvious his wife would never recover?

Slander is NOT a liberal value no matter how many times you repeat it.

[Tempest]

129. How many husbands would take a nursing program to help?

Michael became a licensed nurse just so he could help take care of her.

That hardly shows someone who wanted to dump his wife for a "slut".


This genius character isn't acting the part.

[Liberal Veteran]

131. It was all part of his evil plot to kill his wife and hook up with a slut!

ROTFLMAO!

[Tempest]

144. I predict the next accusation

I predict he'll be accused of wanting to use her ashes after she's cremated in some Satanic ritual.

[MADem]

142. C ya...nt

[MADem]

95. The in-laws ENCOURAGED the man to date

...and had the girlfriend over to dinner before the money came in and the parents wanted half. Please--the courts have seen every fact, dozens and dozens of times, with dozens and dozens of judges, GOP and D, and they have consistently come to the same conclusion.

Jackson is a grandstander looking for personal glory. I used to like his edge, now I fear he has totally lost it and is grabbing for the spotlight (find cameras, will travel) -- and he waits until the woman is almost dead, that way it's a quick "in and out" and he doesn't have to invest any real time or effort in demonstrating his faux concern.

[Gannon Man Date]

113. To be fair again

None of the previous judicial reviews went over the finding of fact. They only looked at judicial procedure, which is normal with appeals. (Was the trial/hearing properly held, with all rights protected, NOT were the factual conclusions correct.) The motion last night was to reexamine the facts, not the procedures, which would have been the first real review of the facts. But that motion was denied, as I understand it.

As you can probably tell, I am not fully comfortable with either side of this issue. That is likely why people like Hillary are keeping their mouths shut. They are as conflicted as I am.

(edited for multiple speeling errors.)

[MADem]

124. They kept asking for a new review

...and in the process of denying it, the justices essentially had to go over the facts all over again to see if there was a disconnect. The only thing the parents could come up with is that crazy nurse who claimed that she gave Terri, a woman incabable of swallowing, pudding and ice cream and she ate it all up, yum, yum!

I think this whole issue is SAD. I think the husband went beyond devastated about ten years ago, after going to nursing school, learning all he could, taking her for experimental therapy...and the parents started living in la-la land right around the time that the husband refused to give them a large cash settlement. I know nothing about this family personally, but I think they should respect their daughter's expressed wish, and stop blaming the husband because their daughter had a major eating disorder.

I'm comfortable with the court ruling. It got a thousand times more examination than the decision to go into Iraq ever did--and we're talking about one life here, not more than 1,500 (and that's just counting Americans....and not the wounded, either!).

[Tempest]

126. Well said

Inmates on death row don't get the review this case has gotten.

[drdon326]

130. Yeah but they to at least have some friggin food and water.

[Liberal Veteran]

135. Funny thing was, I was just reading an article in my local paper...

...about a man who had a feeding tube withdrawn from his mother who had advanced Alzheimer's disease. He was very hurt and upset that the people who are calling Michael Schiavo a murderer are by proxy calling him a murderer for doing what he did for his mother out of love and knowing she had no wish to live that way.

[Tempest]

140. And let's not forget Tom DeLay

Who pulled the plug on his father.

[Tempest]

138. They also have functioning brains

Something Terri doesn't have.

Terri made her wishes clear and they are being carried out.


I'm sorry you seem to have a problem with that.

[Gannon Man Date]

134. To be fair a third time

Inmates on death row are afforded a more humane execution. I wish they would just give her an overdose of morphine.

They can give one to the parents and the husband while they are at it, as well as the protestors for both sides, and the media whores who keep pounding on this story.

Is it wrong to advocate dropping a daisy cutter on the entire town?

[Tempest]

141. Get the facts

Her brain functions are gone.

She is feeling no pain or discomfort. She will die a peaceful death.

[Gannon Man Date]

146. I wish I could be as sure as you are.

But I'm not. The human brain is still mostly uncharted territory, and some parts of the brain can take over when other parts are damaged. Apparently her doctors are not as sure as you are either, since she is receiving morphine, just in case. I just wish they would "make a mistake" and get it over with.

[demgurl]

160. Actually, if you read about the morphine.....

They say morphine is more for families so they can feel good than to ease any 'pain' because she really is not feeling pain. So besides the family feeling good, now you can as well.

[Retired AF Dem]

162. You must be they

and I still don't feel any better.

[demgurl]

177. Actually I am not 'they'.

Two days ago, in general discussion area there was an article that quoted scientists and doctors. And, no, these were not any doctors 'nominated' for the Nobel Prize. LOL. I worked in a children's hospital for four years but do not claim to know anything medical at all about this case - at least not from first hand experience.

[JimmyJazz]

161. I had this same argument with someone one time.

They thought that each time a case was under appeal that the facts were re-examined. You are absolutely correct in that only the proceedings are examined for judicial error.


I'm not comfortable with either side, but I am really, really uncomfortable with all the attention this case has garnered from the media and the right wingers and even from this board.

No offense to the families, but the last time I checked, there was a war going on. :shrug:


BTW - your edit has a "speeling" error.

[mazzarro]

101. This is pure unadulterated b**llsh*t!

Be mindful of spilling all these crap when you hardly have taken the time to apprise yourself of the facts - PLEASE!

[atreides1]

109. One Little Note

Reverend Jackson has also stuck his wick where it didn't belong, and the results was a little girl.

I wouldn't be throwing around the "adultery" flag.

As for her parents having her interest at heart, perhaps you should look at the entire case before you start frothing at the mouth like some fundamentalist.

Jackson got in on this because he really believes that he can make a point about the lack of health care for the poor, and how the Congress should "err on the side of life", and provide health care to
the poor and disabled.

Guess what, it isn't going to happen.

And just for the record Mr. Schiavo(correct spelling) isn't killing his wife, he is following her wishes. The parents are overbearing and
were unable to take care of their daughter after the first week. By the way if you were in the same situation would you attempt to make money from what was happening to the child that you keep claiming that you love so much? I understand that the information of all those that have donated money to the Schindlers, has been sold to an on line group that represents more fundies.

[demgurl]

152. Yes MS moved on but do you know why?

The parents of TS told him not to wait and that he should move on!

As far as letting the parents take over, I hope my family does not disregard my wishes to not live in a vegetative state and just do as other people in my family want instead of what I have EXPRESSLY wished for. I guess once you are brain dead your wishes do not count at all any more.

[dbonds]

82. JJ said last night on Hanity that where he is going with this

is Universal Healthcare.

[MADem]

85. My "forgiveness meter" on Jesse has been broken

This is pure fucking grandstanding for craven personal gain. If he was actually serious about this, he would have jumped in weeks ago, before they pulled the tube. But no, he hops on the bandwagon when she is close to dead, drawn like a moth to the camera lights and looking for some attention.

When he screwed around on the Missus, and brought the knocked-up girlfriend to the White House to "counsel" Clinton, that was bad enough. But ok, ya say, LATE MIDDLE AGE CRAZY, and if the Missus can forgive, it ain't our business...but this is sheer, blatant, obscene opportunism. He's jumped the shark, and the Congressional Black Caucus IS NOT HAPPY WITH HIM.

He wants to relive his better days as a "prisoner releaser." Instead, he is making an ass of himself.

[spooked911]

99. Yep. Exactly.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

89. Don't take this the wrong way, but I thought Jesse Jackson only...

got involved when the situation involved African Americans. I feel that "Rev" Jackson is a publicity whore and the only time he joins a cause is when it benefits him.
Duckie

[MADem]

112. No, he got those soldiers out, remember?

But I agree that he is a publicity whore. He's got "attention deficit disorder" right now, in that the media has been giving him less and less ATTENTION ever since it was revealed that he was a bullshitter who cheated on his wife, had a baby with his girlfriend (who was on his payroll), and tried to cover the whole mess up.

[spooked911]

91. I have always tended to dismiss the idea that Jackson is a political

opportunist, but now I really wonder.

There is NO good reason for him to get involved now. It's ridiculous. What a sad man.

[Tweed]

92. Being discussed in the Illinois Forum as well

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=150x6528

Thought you Illinoisans would like to put a local perspective on things.

[Whoa_Nelly]

94. Jackson (AKA Cowardly Lion): Put 'em up! Put 'em up!

Which one of you first? I'll fight you both together if you want! I'll fight you with one paw tied behind my back. I'll fight you standing on one foot.

You tell'em Jesse the Coward!
(...and the insane media circus continues...) :woohoo: :banghead: :woohoo:

[Career Prole]

115. Interesting how your excerpt ends...

"Schiavo's husband and legal guardian, Michael, denied Jackson's request to pray at his wife's bedside. Michael Schiavo has maintained his brain-damaged spouse would not want to be kept alive by extraordinary means."

Aw, Mike...having Jesse pray by the bedside isn't considered "extraordinary means". He'll do it for anyone who can afford the honorarium!

[MADem]

128. Actually, I think all he is doing is respecting her privacy

Mr. Schiavo knows a publicity hound when he sees one. Notice how he is the only one not giving interviews? He's got his wife's interests at heart, I think. I still find it astounding that the parents didn't even know Terri was seeing a fertility specialist--isn't that something a young married girl would chat about with her mom?

[alcibiades_mystery]

127. When he's dissing Bush at the DNC, he's "Jesse"

When he's supporting the Schindler's, he's "Rev. Jackson."

Interesting, that.

[MADem]

132. It is a standard political technique

You always try to infantalize or denigrate the opposition, which is why we end up with Shrubs, Shrillarys, and so on.

The GOP is a bit better than we are at mudslinging, though, which is why it is all the more surprising when they suddenly get all respectful--the hypocrisy resonates at a much greater level, because they are just plain meaner in the first place.

[Retired AF Dem]

165. Most people here could of given a shit about

Terri until * momentarily stuck his nose into it.

[Tempest]

172. The number of threads about this before word one was said proves you wrong

Put in a donation and you can access the archives which show all the different threads about the Schiavo case going back several years.

[daleo]

149. I guess no preacher is immune from magical thinking.

It really shouldn't be a surprise. I have sometimes wondered how this would have played out if the parents had been Jehovah's Witnesses, intent on not allowing the feeding tube and the husband was intent on leaving it in. Alter a few facts and the assumed left/right political dynamic might have been different.

However the facts are what they are, and 15 years of being severely brain damaged on a feeding tube should convince anyone, even a preacher.

[moondust]

164. He looks naive.

Life support refusal/removal happens all the time. For many years. Was Jesse born yesterday?

[Montauk6]

168. But this is (potentially) good , BECAUSE...

Remember in Outfoxed where they discussed how the Fox News editors, as policy, try to nail both Hillary and Jesse whenever their names pop up. NOW, let's see the Rudeprick Mildew gang spin this one.

And ya gotta love the irony! At their most desperate hour, whom do the Schindlers reach out to? I mean they've got Randall Terry and oodles of wingding Consoviet Jeezoids-for-hire at their beck and call but no, they reach for one of the most celebrated/notorious (depending on political POV)liberal icons in America today. They coulda called Robertson, Graham, Schiller, Swaggart, et al ad nauseum.

Personally, I disagree with Rev Jackson (not the first time, certainly not the last) but I, at least, trust his sincerity more than these hypocritstians. I just think, while it would dot and cross some legal i's and t's to have a written DNR before removing a feeding tube or life-support (as Jesse is calling for the Fla lawmakers to move on), would those who are genuinely agonizing over watching her starve be more comfortable if there was a document with her signature there on her nightstand? IOW, the suffering is still the same.

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