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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:58 PM
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Full Report: Forecasting Availability and Diversity of Global Oil Supply
Forecasting the availability and diversity of global conventional oil supply (Summary)

by John Hallock

There is a lot of talk about oil and gasoline these days - and of fear premiums and even the ability of supply to match the pace at which demand is rising. To many I’m sure this may seem a fleeting moment brought on by “excessive” growth in demand. As before, Chicken Little’s cries will fade as investments are made to upgrade and expand pumping infrastructure on known fields and find new ones, just as in the early 1970's. Oil-dependent nations resolved the issue then by finding and developing oil supplies in the North Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and Alaska. The most recent assessment of world petroleum resources by the United States Geological Survey (USGS) provided support for the idea that we can develop current prices away (via its mean estimate of the three trillion barrels of oil for the world’s volume of extractable oil originally present) (Ahlbrandt 2000). Based upon these numbers, the US Energy Information Administration (EIA) projected that worldwide crude oil production wouldn't peak until between 2020 and 2030 (Wood and Long 2002). Others believe that when conventional oil does actually become harder to find that the market will ensure a transition to alternative fuels - liquified petroleum gas (LPG), tar sands, deep-water oil, etc. (Adelman and Lynch 1997).

A growing cadre of researchers, oil industry professionals and even economists are not so sanguine. They believe that the potential to find more oil and produce oil at ever increasing rates is more limited and doubt that either the oil or alternatives will be found in time to avert near- term supply disruptions (Duncan 2003, Bentley 2002, Deffeyes 2001, Campbell 1997). Each side insists they are right, in spite of the fact that neither can provide definitive evidence to support their case until after the fact - after the oil is found or not, after tar sands can or cannot ensure adequate supply at today’s prices, after it’s feasible for hydrogen to take over from oil or not.

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The answer to the question, “how much longer can we increase oil production?”, seems to be probably not much more than 30 years, and perhaps less than five. The problem is it is impossible to say whether our early or later forecasts of conventional oil decline-point will be more accurate. 2004? 2037? The prudence of the precautionary principle seems self-evident here - especially so because most of the oil necessary for the peak to occur in 2037 has not yet been discovered. No one wants to be “Chicken Little”. No one wants to be the proverbial ostrich, either. Until information to the contrary becomes available, the only logical conclusion seems to be that it is only a matter of time before alternative energy sources, and perhaps changes in behavior and commerce systems are needed. It is highly doubtful that energy policies dependant on conventional oil supply, no matter the source, will be effective.

This begs the second set of questions - what ARE the alternatives we can reasonably expect to be viable, how much can they contribute, and what strategies can we choose among to develop them? Additional questions may be equally important. Is it realistic to rely on market forces to generate solutions? Should our current concept of markets and economics be revised based on the situation in which we find ourselves? What is the energy return on energy invested (EROI) for the remaining sources of petroleum, by region. What is EROI for potential alternatives, and how might this change in the future? Should we rely on fossil fuels as long as possible given the coalescing science of global climate change? A recent DOE-contracted report addressed the first of these questions and concluded that the task of developing alternatives, infrastructure, etc. at a scale sufficient to avoid a liquid fuels shortfall in the advent of peak oil would require massive investment and 10-20 years. A summary of this study was posted previously on the EnergyBulletin site. Given this sobering assessment, and that we really may not have more than 10 or 15 years, if that, serious consideration must be given to these issues now.

Summary at:
http://www.energybulletin.net/4929.html

The full report Forecasting the availability and diversity of global conventional oil supply is available in PDF format here:
www.geocities.com/jhallock68/oilrelated/Forecasting_the_Limits-Hallock-et-al.pdf
(PDF - 1.4MB)



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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:05 AM
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1. I Read This Treatise As Acknowledging Peak Oil But Glossing Over
The seriousness of the problem. The forecasting is wildly optimistic in my opinion.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:09 AM
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2. Have to say I Agree
with your analysis. Perhaps the potential "Grim Factor" cannot be fully looked at. Sometimes I want to look away but find I must face it.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:17 AM
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3. Not a Pretty Picture
Hydrogen will not be the answer either. The more I read about it, the more it seems like Bushies hydro economy is a mirage. Hydrogen is an energy transport mechanism and a poor one at that.

It seems we may have to revisit the idea of Negawatts...extension of energy supply through energy efficiency.

Solar is still a considerable way off and is very limited due to the high costs of storage (batteries).

Wind will supply some, but not anything like what we will need.

Nuclear is actually a very clean, low carbon emission energy source but the waste problem is insurmountable with current technologies. The waste remains a problem for millions of years. (Yucca Mt? - right)

This is the major global problem facing mankind, not the fake terrorism crap pushed by Bushie and his oily buddies. We need a global "Manhattan project" but that would require global leadership, something sorely lacking in the current climate of fear and greed.

Not a pretty picture...
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:39 AM
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5. can you image crashing a Hydrogen-powered vehicle???
:scared:
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:27 AM
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7. might not be worse than crashing a vehicle powered by gasoline
Gasoline is an explosive liquid with the unpleasant property that when an accident occurs, the flames spread laterally. Hydrogen is very light; the fireball would go upwards. Think of the Hindenburg disaster: the flames and heat went upwards. Many of the people on board the dirigible actually survived the accident by jumping off the gondola before it hit the ground, and running.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:35 AM
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10. nuke waste shouldn't be that big a problem
but the decision was made during the Carter administration to not reprocess the fuel, just to stick it in the ground. Kansas was the first choice because the geological conditions there are ideal for burying nuclear waste; but nimby politics sent it to Nevada (near old nuclear weapons testing grounds). For various reasons this has become increasingly more expensive. I suspect in hind-sight reprocessing would have been cheaper all along.

By reprocessing waste, the hottest isotopes can be separated. Hot isotopes decay away quickly, so they take care of themselves; the less-hot isotopes can be cooked into more fuel or into harmless isotopes. Also plutonium can be separated out, which ends up doubling the amount of fuel available for nukes.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:31 PM
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17. Thanks
Thanks for the info. Your claims on reprocessing led to an interesting journey on the web looking at the problem.

I still have major concerns, but reprocessed fuel and the lower waste component it offers does ameliorate my concerns about nuke power a bit.

I am also starting to research methane as opposed to hydrogen as a fuel source.

Thanks again.

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:01 AM
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4. Are you the same guy that keeps hyping this Energy Bulletin...
...and the crap they write?

That's an Oil Industry Rag.:spank: Of course they are going to hype that Energy prices are going up. This is Dis-Info! They put this crap out to discredit and confuse the real truth and the Realities of Peak Oil, until they get all the people that want the easy answers to start looking like lunatics. There are about a half dozen other reasons too, that they don't include in these articles.

And once they've achieved that, they change the info again and just sit back and laugh at any one that's still repeating their dis-info.:crazy:

I'd love to believe stuff like this was the Gospel truth, but considering the source, I'd read anything from an Industry Rag very sceptically, and look for a few other sources before I started believing anything from the "Energy Bulletin.":rant:

And your second link is broken.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:34 AM
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9. I have to agree
I've read far too many other article that would discount what this article states.. I believe he's taking the most optomistic outlook possible to gloss over the realy problems coming sooner than later..

Take this report with a grain of salt..
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:47 AM
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11. Well here are a couple of non-oil industry sources
who are concerned that we will be encountering Peak Oil sooner rather than later.

Math Prof, Al Bartltett, talks about exponential growth, resource consumption doubling times and Peak Oil.

MP4, should work on Apple Quick Time and Real Player, suitable for dialup.
http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/Al_Bartlett-PeakOil.mp4

Real Player High Speed Link
http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/Al_Bartlett-PeakOil.mp4

The substance of Professor Bartlett's talk is contained in his paper Forgotten Fundamentals of the Oil Crisis

Dr. David Goodstein's (Physicist) presentation on global warming and Peak Oil at Caltech. Real Player Only

Dial up link
http://today.caltech.edu/theater/5602_56k.ram

Medium Broadband
http://today.caltech.edu/theater/5602_bb.ram

Full Broadband DSL/Cable
http://today.caltech.edu/theater/5602_cable.ram

Consider also that world oil production appears to have peaked in the 1960's. We now consume approximately 4 barrels of oil for every new barrel of oil we find. The world's economies have been built over the last 100 years on growth fueled by easy access to cheap and highly energy dense fossil fuel hydrocarbons and unless significantly restructured will continue to require access to increasing supplies of energy to continue that growth (or massive improvements in energy efficiency are put in place).

Fossil hydrocarbons have to date been the cheapest and most easily available sources of energy and the sources of energy our industrialized economies have in a large part come to rely on to fuel the perpetual growth machine. However as is only natural, we have exploited the most easily available and cheapest to produce oil first, the oil that remains is increasingly expensive and hard to find. It is only natural therefore that the remaining oil becomes increasingly expensive in terms of money and energy to find, produce and refine (more high sulfur oil and less sweet oil).


WORLD PETROLEUM DISCOVERY AND PRODUCTION

Discovery peaked in 1962 when over 40 billion barrels were found. Production in 1997 was 26 billion barrels and increasing while new discovery was 6 billion barrels and decreasing, FIGURE 4. The figure for production includes a small quantity of non-conventional oil and natural gas liquids (NGL). Production has exceeded new field discoveries since 1980 (Ivanhoe 1995)

<snip>

About 75 per cent of conventional oil comes from 360 giant oil fields, less than one per cent of all fields (Ismail 1994, Campbell & Laherrere 1995, p. 1). Giants are fields which held more than 500 million barrels on discovery and sophisticated techniques are not needed to discover them. They are usually found first because they are large, produce the cheapest oil and have a long life.

The wave of exploration after the 1970's oil crises did not find any new major petroleum provinces, despite exploration reaching new heights of sophistication and efficiency. Giant discovery peaked in the early 1960's and has slumped since 1980, FIGURE 5. Few giants are left to discover (Campbell 1997, p. 28).

Most conventional oil has been and will continue to be produced from giant oil fields. Fields found more than 20 years ago produce 90% of today's oil and 70% comes from fields over 30 years old (Campbell & Laherrere 1995, p. 13). Most are ageing and many are in decline. The biggest and least depleted of the giants are in the Middle East which has nearly 60% of remaining conventional oil.


http://wwwistp.murdoch.edu.au/teaching/N212/n212content/topics/topic5/04discoverandprodn.html

We have to expend energy to produce energy. The Energy Returned on Energy Invested is very low for most alternative energy sources and for most alternative methods of oil production such as tar sands oil.

energy return on energy invested, or EROEI

When an energy source that has an EROEI ratio of 4:1 is replaced with another, alternative, energy source which has an EROEI ratio of 2:1, twice as much gross energy has to be produced in order to reap the same net quantity of resulting usable energy.

This can be worse than it looks. Consider that I inherited one barrel of oil, and the EROEI was 4:1. I could use my one barrel and end up with four barrels. Now consider that the EROEI was 2:1, and I still wanted four barrels. Well, I can use my one barrel to extract two barrels, then I have to use those two barrels to extract the four barrels that I want. Thus with an EROEI of 2:1, it has cost me three barrels to gain four; whereas with an EROEI of 4:1, it only cost me one barrel.

This means that when a society moves to using energy sources that have lower EROEIs, the actual amount of energy available to use (for manufacturing, transport, heating etc.) inevitably will diminish.


http://www.abelard.org/briefings/energy-economics.asp

For those who think there are endless streams of abiotic oil flowing up from the bowels of the earth, enough to supply our needs far into the future with no economic dislocations or disruptions, I suggest reading the following article before accepting that abiotic oil is a viable solution to our problems.


http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102104_no_free_pt1.shtml
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011205_no_free_pt2.shtml
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012805_no_free_pt3.shtml

For those who are advocating the thermal depolymerization process
( http://www.answers.com/topic/thermal-depolymerization )
as a long term solution for our energy woes, I'd just point out that as Professor Bartlett shows in his lecture, it's not the current reserves that we have available that are important, but given the way our economies have evolved, it's the ability to meet future demand based on the exponential growth factor that becomes the killer. Exponential growth leads to much larger increases in consumption than the non-mathematically aware might intuitively think possible.

Even if TDP oil is viable to some extent and produces oil at a price competitive with fossil hydrocarbon derived oil, it won't be enough for it just to replace our current oil supplies. If we are going to continue on with business as usual the TDP will have to provide increasing quantities of oil enough to meet the increasing energy demands of growing economies. That's not to say it wont be helpful and that we should not invest in research and trial TDP plants and work to make the process as efficient as possible, but I think it would be a mistake to figure that because TDP oil might be on the horizon our energy problems are over. TDP could be possibly be a partial solution, but it won't do us much good if we introduce TDP plants and don't also make massive strides in improving energy efficiency in all aspects of our economies.

If oil consumption had been growing at 5% per year from the start of the oil age, it would mean that every 14 years we would double our consumption of oil. The doubling time as Bartlett explains is derived mathematically by dividing the percentage growth increase into the number 70, (70 ÷ 5 = 14). In other words, in each 14 year period we would consume as much oil as we had consumed in all previous 14 year periods combined since the start of the oil industry around the turn of the century. at 3% growth in consumption we would stretch that out to a doubling time of 23 years, every 23 years we would double the amount of oil we used over all preceding 23 year periods combined together. Bartlett explains in his lecture that oil consumption actually grew at 7% per year (consumption doubling time 10 years) until the early 70s when demand was driven down by the OPEC price increases.

As Barlett explains in his talk, the biggest problem we humans face in understanding these types of problems is understanding the exponential factor and doubling times. When we come to understand that if we expect to continue business as usual we have to take into account not how long our current energy supplies will last at current consumption rates, but how long they will last if consumption doubles every 15 or 20 years, it throws a whole new light on the matter.







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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:35 AM
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14. Thanks, I already read most of those sites and DO understand...
...the Peak Oil Debate. That's not the problem I posted about.:eyes:
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:23 AM
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13. Energy Bulletin
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 09:28 AM by chlamor
puts up articles from a myriad of sources. Culture Change-Michael Klare-Richard Heinberg-James Howard Kunstler etc. etc. not oil industry folks. I could list numerous others. It is an excellent site.

And I look at numerous other sources. If you wish just respond and I will post a dozen other sources from a wide range of fokls and I'll post links to a couple hundred articles if you would like. This particular article is rather mild I hope you are looking into the situation rather than just posting a rant. Please send more info. I need evidence.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:47 PM
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15. I'm sure you're right the...
...the Energy Bulletin "...puts up articles from a myriad of sources," but I've also seen a lot of very "one sided" articles there, written by "industry insiders."
:rant:This is not News, and posting it to the "Latest Breaking News" gives the false impression that it is, and helps to create a deceptive "Hype."

The last time I saw bunch of these "articles" posted, I started reading people saying, "Wow, 'Peak Oil' is all of a sudden getting a lot of attention!" But it wasn't, it just seemed like it was, because their were so many of these stories posted here in the "Latest Breaking News" board, which ultimately damages the messenger and the message.

I'm no longer a fan of the MSM, but if these stories hit the front page of the NYT or the Washington Post, now that's "Breaking News," but this kind of thing belongs somewhere else, like the "Environment & Energy" forum or the "Science" Forum. Posting it here gives the wrong impression that most people are paying attention to it, and that the message is getting out and turns those, who just skim articles like this (but don't really research the underlying causes) into jabbering idiots.

Maybe the label "Oil Industry Rag" is too harsh a label, but this is definitely from a website with an agenda, which puts in into the
PR or Lobbing category. For anyone that doubts this, here's what it says on their "About Us" page: :rant:
About EnergyBulletin.net
Mission Statement


EnergyBulletin.net is designed to be a clearinghouse for current information regarding the peak in global energy supply. We will publish news and research concerning:

* The current situation and trajectory, such as oil & gas production data, economic or societal clues to decline profiles, and relevant institutional pronouncements
* Innovations or partial solutions to this crisis, such as renewable energy generation capacity and research (including EROEI assessments), alternative financial systems, or post-carbon urban agriculture
* Any other issues which assist our understanding of the broader implications of the peak

We welcome original content, and we especially invite industry insiders and independent researchers to submit their insights and findings relevant to these issues.

We will attempt to be at all times both accurate and current. The opinions, inferences or calculations within individual news items are the responsibility of the author alone, and the editors of EnergyBulletin.net do not necessarily support them...


Another advantage is it stays on the Front Page of those forums (and stays active) a LOT longer than here.:think:
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 07:27 AM
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6. Natural gas can be converted to liquid fuel
...the investment needed for this to affect the marketplace with significant production levels is massive. The effort made so far is absurdly inadequate. One wonders how people in the industry could be so stupid. They increase their dividends and share buybacks with windfall profits when they know their reserves are shrinking rather than making the huge investments in capital infrastructure that are required.

It is as if they think they can build a moat around themselves and their guarded communities in police states with their huge sums of money to protect themselves from the inevitable social and economic unrest that will arrive with fuel shortages.

Alternative fuels are only a stop gap not an answer but the efforts they are making are so pitifully inadequate that one speculates that surely no class of inherited wealth could be so stupid, they must know something. Yet, the truth is, that they like aristocrats of old, are that stupid, and rely on war, debt, religion and divine right to protect their failing capital infrastructure.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:30 AM
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8. There was a lot of talk 20 years ago about using natural gas in cars.
But this fell out of fashion when natural gas started to be used to generate electricity. Now there's the suggestion to expand the use of coal for electrical generation, or nuclear, so the remaining natural gas can be used in motor vehicles. Part of the problem however is that natural gas is in much tighter supply than it was 20 years ago; the price of this fuel has gone way up and is very volatile. We could import more but that brings up other problems: reliance on imported energy and also safety.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:22 PM
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16. The LNG importation infrastructure is well underway
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 10:30 PM by teryang
Huge sums of money are already being directed to it at North American points of entry.

The conversion of natural gas to a diesel fuel much cleaner than current diesel is technologically and economically feasible at the source points overseas making for much safer transport by conventional means.

The money isn't being spent for the new refineries needed on the massive scale that is necessary. Small companies are SASOL, Syntroleum and RFT which have (natural gas to liquid fuel) efforts that are microscopic in relation to the task. Exxon and Shell have similar NGTL projects going in Qatar along with SASOL. SASOLs project has been publicized and will start producing 45,000 barrels a day (refined diesel) soon and may approach 200,000 barrels by 2010. Shell and Exxon are very quiet about what they are doing.

If the US had a crash program like the manhattan project it would ease somewhat (along with other measures) the inevitable pain of throughput constraints on limited energy resources. Instead massive resources are wasted on war, defense contractors, pointless aerospace projects, ridiculously cost ineffective homeland security etc., etc.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:00 AM
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12. Some things NEVER change....
"It is as if they think they can build a moat around themselves and their guarded communities in police states with their huge sums of money to protect themselves from the inevitable social and economic unrest that will arrive with fuel shortages."


.... excellent commentary teryang. They Aristocrats are as disconnected from reality now as they have been for centuries.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:45 PM
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18. The conclusion is obvious
Something must be done now. But the tenor of those putting off the date is to drag feet on action now. THAT is the absurdity of the "debate". Of course we have reached the point where the forecasting of actual dates is hairy. It has also become meaningless if we are going to stand there like Wile E. Coyote with an umbrella to fend off a falling boulder.

The whole issue of continuing to sponge the earth of an unreplenishable resource is criminally absurd. Conservation of SOME oil for the future is already an incredible and unfaced crisis.

It is not about "increasing oil production". You don't "produce" oil, you use it up. Skewed logic is herding us right off the cliff. And these are the experts and scientists tolerating this nonsense for temporary profit. Sheesh. Small hope for political weasels and dumbed done car lovers.
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