Pressure is building to call pope a saint

[emad]

Pressure is building to call pope a saint
IHT
By Daniel J. Wakin The New York Times
Thursday, April 14, 2005

ROME The cardinals electing a successor to Pope John Paul II are facing unusual popular pressure to declare him a saint, with some cardinals responding through deft messages, press leaks and internal lobbying.
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The canonization campaign may even be playing a role in the succession politics.
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Calls for sainthood began almost immediately after the pope died on April 2 and reached a peak at his funeral on Friday, when mourners in St. Peter's Square held up huge banners saying, "Santo Subito," or "Saint at Once," and chanted, "Santo, Santo." Soon reports began pouring in of miraculous cures through the pope's intervention.
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Several Italian newspapers reported that the Vatican had quietly been collecting letters and messages from people attesting to healings attributed to him.
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/04/13/news/pope.html

[Pacifist Patriot]

1. I am not sure why they are saying this is unusual.

I don't find it unusual at all. Prominent Catholics have had this happen pretty consistently immediately following death. Mother Teresa is another recent example. I would have been surprised if this hadn't been a story.

[emad]

4. The Rome murder trial of "God's Banker" Roberto Calvi is about

to resume.

P2 Lodge members are in the slammer awaiting resumption of proceedings which show Calvi was murdered because he bankrupted the Vatican Bank - run by Cardinal Marcinkus, to whom Bush1 gave immunity from prosecution - and brought down Banco Ambrosiano.

The bankruptcies centre on stolen assets that were mortgaged by Calvi to bankroll Vatican debts. When police recovered the stolen assets, Ambrosiano collapsed and with it Marcinkus's slush fund.

The accused - the P2 Lodge - are a paedohpile masonic sect with connections to organised crime worldwide.

"Al-Qaeda" has been described by senior ex-UK spooks as being the Muslim branch of the P2 Lodge.

[Bridget Burke]

7. Another humorous Spoof!

Thanks for the link to that website. To think--some people take this stuff seriously!

Almost as much fun as the Illuminatus Trilogy.

[emad]

9. No Spoof about this one. All the Calvi stuff referred to has been

posted/discussed extensively on DU for the last 18 months.

[Jo March]

2. i thought you had to perform 2 miracles?

I'm not sure on the saint thing. Is Mother Teresa one yet?

[Yavin4]

3. Then Shouldn't Smokey Robinson Be A Saint

He performed with the miracles.

[Jo March]

10. Wow. I'm not going to stand near you

You know - lightening and all. ;)

[calimary]

LOL! Say Hallelujah!

:)

[emad]

5. Ratzinger behing this latest farce??:

Ratzinger Said Gaining Papal Elector Favor

Wednesday April 13, 2005 3:01 PM


VATICAN CITY (AP) - Support for German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger appears to be building ahead of the conclave to select a new pope, Italian newspapers reported Wednesday.

Corriere della Sera, citing anonymous sources, said at least 40 cardinals have voiced some backing for the conservative Ratzinger during daily meetings before the conclave opens Monday with an expected 115 cardinals.

Another newspaper, La Repubblica, put the number of possible Ratzinger backers at 50, without identifying a source for the estimate.

The reports could be independently verified. The cardinals have agreed not to talk to the media until after the conclave, the Vatican said. The pre-conclave meetings are held in private.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4934160,00.html

[calimary]

26. Aw JEEZ... just what we need. ANOTHER f'king conservative.

Ratzinger is said to be even more conservative than JP2. GREAT. There were two priests on Joe "dead intern" Scarborough's show the other night, who both said that if the Church is yanked farther to the "right," or doesn't modify some of its positions, more Catholics in the US and Western Europe will fall away. Mike Barnicle was lamenting that the same church that was packed when he was a kid is now about 1/3 full on the average Sunday.

I see it at my own church. And not only are Catholics frustrated, alienated, and falling away, but they're taking their donation money with them. I just saw a report on MSNBC talking about how the biggest donations come from the US and how the Vatican has been operating in the red for three years. They pegged it exclusively to the dollar dropping against the euro. Which is part of it, but not the whole story. It's the alienation of the American (and Western European) Catholics that's also a MAJOR factor, and the report didn't even address this. It just completely missed the point. I'll tell you this much: this life-long Catholic hasn't been to regular Sunday Mass in about a year, when I just got a little too fed up with the molestation scandals and the "pro-life" proselytizing from the pulpit, the second-class-citizen status they rigidly maintain against women overall, plus all the pre-printed postcards-to-send-to-your-representatives campaigns (ALL of them backing conservative legislation/candidates or opposing something/someone more progressive) they were allowing after Mass, if not flat-out promoting in the sermons. And when I'm not there, that means I'm also not present to drop any money into the collection plate. And I'm not the only one. Not by a LONG shot. The numbers of disgruntled and alienated Catholics who feel as I do will ONLY grow if the cardinals pick a knuckle-dragger for pope.

But then again... remember that saying... "he who goes in a pope comes out a cardinal."

[grytpype]

6. Superstitious rabble

When it comes to religion, the voice of the mob is the voice of God, so saint that man at once. What difference does it make, saint him! He cured my asthma!

[donco6]

8. No kidding - who cares. eom

[matcom]

11. Saint Enabler?

[emad]

12. Ain't no 12 step recovery programme that could ever cure TheoCons

in this game...

[Kool Kitty]

18. You got it.

[KittyWampus]

13. Pressure= Much Hot Air In A Sealed Off Container. Back In The Real World

Saints actually practise compassion for ALL Humanity regardless of their sexual orientation.

Saints are compassionate and leave condemnation to others.

And if one wants to say he was representing Church Doctrine and HAD to condemn this or that... why didn't he speak & act in a meaningful way regarding the pedophiles in his midst?

[grytpype]

14. Ask Saint Pedophilus

Dear Saint Pedophilus,

The priests in my archdiocese are abusing their altar boys. What should I do?

Yours in Christ,

John Cardinal Law, Archdiocese of Boston.

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Dear Cardinal Law,

Two things: keep it quiet, and try to minimize the expense on the Church as we are down to our last billion. Do this and sainthood will be yours.

Blessed be,

Saint Pedophilus

[Festivito]

15. He had his own personal papers BURNED. That's a NO.

Had he put his papers in storage for some number of years, fine. But, then only after reviewed broadly.

People with things to hide, should not be declared saintly saved.

[emad]

16. But Shrub and Poodle are relying on the prophecy to come true

for their Uncle Peter Gelli! Otherwise civilisation will end and armageddon will occur............

[Name removed]

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19. "Church is dying": women no longer prepared to be treated like

also rans: "God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost" - but no God the Mother as in Mother of Creation/Isis....

Keeping the paedophiles running the church has meant excluding women, who are always the first to object to their kiddies being used for sex by dirty old clericos.

JP2 will be the LAST pope, IMO.

[emad]

22. Why did this get deleted?

Angry post but no personal attack...

[plcdude]

20. Arianna has a take on this

that is worthwhile reading. http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/column.php?id=767

[calimary]

28. VERY worthwhile reading.

Thanks for posting the link. She's absolutely spot-on.

[Spazito]

30. Excellent column!

She has stated exactly how I feel about this whole issue, thanks for posting the link!

[mutus_frutex]

21. They made Escriva de Balaguer a saint

And this pope IS a saint compared with that freak.. :-)

How can people still be so superstitious in the 21th century is beyond me.. sigh..

Cheers

[daleo]

23. Could they let the body cool down a bit first?

This is all quite peculiar.

[donsu]

24. what is so saintly about protecting pedophile priests

the catholic church STILL protects pedophiles.

[radwriter0555]

25. eh they did this after mother theresa died too. they'll soon forget.

this kind of sentiment rarely stands the test of time.

[Javaman]

27. The hallowed halls of the Vatican....

Saintly music in the form of Gregorian chants drifts in the background as several cardinals meet to discuss the popes new found sainthood...

Cardinal Bob: I don't know, I thought we needed two miracles?

Cardinal Dave: One, two, it's all the same to me, saint him.

Cardinal Tyrone: what ever happened to canonizing someone first? It's like everyone gets a free saint ticket! Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars, go directly to..oh wait.

Cardinal Steve: what's we say, rock, paper, scissors?

Cardinal Vito: what was the miracle anyways?

Cardinal Jesse the body: You know? I don't have the foggiest idea...

Cardinal Andre' the giant: Didn't it have to do something with smoke and mirrors?

Cardinal Jimmy the Greek: no, you are thinking of Siegfried and roy...

Cardinal Merlin: No, those are the tiger guys, great show by the way, to bad about the brain thing, such a shame.

Cardinal Bilbo Biggins: I had a steak there last year that would make you find religion!

They all laugh...

Cardinal Don Rickles: No really, do we saint him or not?

Cardinal Homer: Hmmm, steak...

Cardinal Slappy White: All those in favor say aye!

All respond Aye!

Cardinal Wolfgang Puck: Good, finally, let's go to Sizzler, I'm hungry!

[calimary]

29. Worth nominating for THIS post alone. I want more people to see it.

LOVE it! I'm making a copy of this one!

:)