Cops seek girl in sex photos taken at Disney World hotel

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-disney28.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Detectives on Wednesday released a photo they hope will help them identify a girl seen in a series of sexually explicit pictures that were taken at a Walt Disney World hotel and other locations and have circulated over the Internet for the last three years.

The newly released photo is of another girl who investigators do not believe was sexually exploited.

But the backgrounds of the images of the two girls have enough similarities that detectives think they may have been in the same place at the same time, said Sgt. Matt Irwin, a sheriff's detective.

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Boy, I hope they catch the %#@$%$'s who did this. Soon too. I would just love to have a little private one on one discussion with whomever did this before they were locked up for the rest of their damn lives. And how.

[wakeme2008]

1. Reward Poster

[CBGLuthier]

2. I wonder if that's connected to these guys

I read an article last night about a taskgroup who studies porn to try to find clues to rescue these kids and catch the bastards. They were trying to decide if they should take the chance of releasing photos of the girls face.

Here is a link to the article. These guys are doing the toughest job in the world.

Do NOT read this if you think it will upset you. I only cried for about ten minutes after I read it.

http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/showcase/la-fg-photo27apr27.story


EDIT: Just looked at the page again and it has the picture now so I guess it is the same girl.

[coffeenap]

6. Thank you for the link. It is devastating. But we need to know

and we need to know there are people out there working to stop it.

[Mad_Dem_X]

8. Jesus Christ...

My eyes are tearing up here at work...what kind of souless monster would do something like this. I'm glad I don't have kids; I would never want to let them out of the house!

I'd like to kick the living shit out of each and every one of those assholes. :nuke:

[Lisa0825]

12. That was a very interesting article. Thanks for posting. (nt)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

45. Holy fucking shit.

I actually got dizzy and saw all grey for a second when reading this:

"There are babies raped and sodomized with romantic music playing in the background."

Now imagine SEEING it. :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[GOPBasher]

52. Man, I hope they find the people who do that.

And I hope they spend the rest of their lives in prison. :grr:

[Walt Starr]

3. I hate to be the one to say it, but the death penalty is TOO GOOD for the

BASTARDS who are doing this.

I think they should be strapped to gurnies and have a different limb removed each week. Start with fingers and toes, then remove arms at the elbow legs at the knee, etc.

When they have no limbs left, start removing organs one by one to give to people who need them.

Keep the bastards alive throughout the process.

[msanthrope]

4. Nahhh---a good waste of gurneys...just release them into

any general population of any prison and let their bunkies know the deal.

[Redstone]

9. No, no, Walt, you don't REMOVE the limbs,

because then they don't hurt.

You break them. And again when they heal.

Redstone

[Shallah Kali]

36. Put them down like rabid animals

If they were tortured I would be afraid I would like it and that would make me like them.

[bobthedrummer]

5. When I was a Youth Aid Worker II we once had an 11 year old girl

who had been sexually abused over a period of several years by her father along with her little brothers.
In her case the result was a hyper-sexualized 11 year old girl.
I wanted to kill her parents after I read the case.
This is an organized criminal cult.

[mopinko]

7. not to argue about this

god knows these people should land in the lowest circle of hell.
however, as the parent of a bi-polar child, i must point out that hyper-sexuality is a common symptom in bp kids. many an already overwhelmed parent of one of these kids has been wrongly accused. i hope they had more evidence in this case than the girls actions, or even her words. they also often have trouble distinguishing their fantasies from reality.

[bobthedrummer]

10. These siblings were forced to watch and then act out pornography

this was their environment for years and years as the mother testified. A big difference from manic-depressive illness.

The pornography was criminally coupled to winning the love of a parent and the program used to achieve this had been developed by others.

[mopinko]

11. yeah, wasn't arguing

just pointing out that this happens. bp in kids is not very widely understood, and such accusations cause a lot of pain to people who are already swimming in it.

[TeeYiYi]

15. That's also true of . . .

. . . autistic children as well as children with Downs Syndrome. I suspect it's true of most special needs children. Because their brains are wired differently, they don't have the same ability to read social cues as other children so they don't realize that what they are doing is deemed socially inappropriate.

Bobthedrummer is correct in his assessment that child victims of sexual abuse can become overly sexualized to the extreme. They confuse sex with love and don't realize that other kids don't give and receive love in the same manner. Depending on the age group, they can become a threat to their peers.

Of the special needs groups, bi-polar kids' outer appearance is considered the most 'normal'. It would be more difficult to attribute their sexual behavior to the fact that they are BP. I doubt most people would recognize a BP child it they saw one. Because of this, the actions of a BP child will be incorrectly attributed to the parents ability to raise the child properly, or worse, that the parent is abusing the child. In this situation, teachers and care-givers need to be better educated about bi-polar children.

Unfortunately, special needs kids are more vulnerable to sexual predators and have a higher incidence of sexual abuse than other kids. Teachers are trained to look for signs of sexual abuse. Sadly, the parents are the first to be considered in cases where sexual abuse is suspected. Hopefully, the parents can be quickly eliminated as suspects so that the real perpetrators can be quickly found. (And hanged.)

Having a special needs child is not easy. I hope you've got a good support network around you. :hug:

TYY

[bobthedrummer]

16. No, I shared some details of the worst case of RITUALISTIC ABUSE

I've ever personally had some knowledge of.

[TeeYiYi]

19. Where did I say that you didn't? . . .

re: Bobthedrummer is correct in his assessment that child victims of sexual abuse can become overly sexualized to the extreme.

TYY :shrug:

[bobthedrummer]

20. I clarified my posts about this case of a ritualistic abuse victim that I

worked with years ago, that's all. I hadn't stressed that fact enough until post 16 because ritualistic crime is controversial here at DU-nevertheless it is a harsh reality.

[mopinko]

21. thanks

the kid just turned 18 last saturday, my middle child, so i am officially over the hump. she has a great support system now, and for the next 4 years. when she gets out of college, who knows? settled and getting straight a's. it was a hairy few years, tho. very glad to be over the hump. i have 5 kids, and they all have their special needs. tooth and nail parenting, for sure.

[TeeYiYi]

23. You're welcome . . .

. . . :hug:

Just turned 18? Oh boy. You'd better fasten your seatbelt. It's going to be a bumpy ride. :D

TYY

[mopinko]

28. nah

she is pretty together, and well supported in her therapeutic school. we'll have our bumps, i am sure. but the worst had better be over.

[shrike]

40. Sounds like a case in my area

Mom forced the kids, all under the age of 9, to perform sex acts on her boyfriend while adults paid to watch.

Biggest problem foster parents had with the kids was hypersexualization -- they would approach each other, and other kids, for sex acts.

[lordwhorfin]

13. Disturbing link

to Trekkie culture. I don't know any hard core trekkies any more, but did know a few back in the day, and it seems unfortunate that this subculture somehow got front-and-center in the article.

I think we're going to see a major backlash against sf and fantasy fans in the US fairly soon, at least on the media level . . .

[Toots]

14. I would suggest they check on Delay's where-abouts around that time.

Nothing is too sleazy for that man...

[0007]

17. How much of this goes on and isn't publicized?

The detective in the article sez about 5000 cases and only 500 children have been returned.

[Xithras]

22. Not returned, rescued.

Most kids who endure this crap are raped and molested by family members or family friends, so nobody has any idea that it's going on until the police bust them.

What people do to these children is sickening. I've seen this type of thing twice...once when a fellow employee was busted with several thousand images on his laptop, and another time when one of my employers servers had a misconfigured FTP used as a drop point. In both cases I was the one who found the images and looked at about a dozen of them while confirming that they were, in fact, all kiddy porn. As a parent, your first instinct is to try and help these kids, and it's depressing to realize that there's nothing you can do.

The guy with the laptop did get arrested, but we never did find out who dropped the images on our FTP server.

[0007]

24. I'm at a lost to understand this type of perversion and the market

for it...

It seems to me that this organized sexual crime abuse is growing along with the Internet. It must be a big big business for people to chance prison. And yet it appears the crime cabal are hardly ever busted. From what I understand it is a world wide problem these days.

[Xithras]

26. Actually, it's not big business.

It's a mental disorder. In many ways, according to a LOT of research, pedophilia is like heterosexuality and homosexuality...it's an innate and possibly genetic predisposition towards preferring to have sex with children. Like heterosexuals and homosexuals, there's an exhibitionist subset of that population that gets off by showing OTHER people what they are doing.

There are many researchers who feel that pedophilia may simply be the result of a miswired brain. It's been known for a long time that there is a biological predisposition in males to prefer sex with younger women (younger women can bear more children in their lifetimes, furthering your genetic footprint), which is why there's such an emphasis on "youthful attractiveness" in every human culture on the planet. There is some evidence to suggest that this predisposition, for some reason, simply goes too far in certain people. Once that happens, having sex with a child seems as normal to them as you having sex with YOUR partner.

As a person who was repeatedly molested as a child, it's a subject that I've read a lot about.

[0007]

29. It is big business for the organized crime cabal that caters to these

mental disorder nuts cases that buy into this sickness. I don't think you understood my previous post.

I'm sorry to hear about your repeated molestations as a child and I'm more than sure you could shed much light on the subject.

[Xithras]

30. But it's NOT organized.

I wish it were, because then it could be penetrated and shut down. Most of the guys involved in this (and it is almost exclusively men) meet in chatrooms or on bulletin boards like this one and swap pictures 1 to 1. There are probably websites that repost some of this stuff and make it available for a fee (a lot of amateur porn sites work this way, so I'm sure the pedo's do it too), but they're not the driving influence here.

Short of shutting down the Internet, I don't see how we'll ever completely eradicate this kind of abuse...and even then they'd simply go back to using whatever methods they used before.

It's important to keep in mind, however, that the kiddy porn isn't the real problem here...the problem is the pedophiles themselves. The men who molested me never took my picture, but that didn't make it any less damaging. Every horrific act of rape and molestation you see in one of these pictures takes place ten times as often in homes without any photographic record. The fact that there were pictures taken doesn't make the molestation any worse, it just gives us a chance to catch the molesters.

[0007]

32. Sorry you don't understand or can't see the big picture.

Child porn big business in RP, says Madrigal

By Patricia Esteves, Reporter

The child-pornography industry in the country has grown into a $1-billion business, making the Philippines the fourth highest producer of smut involving minors worldwide, the opposition Sen. Jamby Madrigal said Wednesday.

Madrigal, the chair of the Senate Committee on Youth, warned that the country could soon gain notoriety for being the world’s leading producer of child-pornographic materials if authorities continued to turn a blind eye on the problem.

“This is getting bigger. Operators of child pornography and sex trafficking in the country earn more than $1 billion, or P56 billion, every year,” Madrigal said. “Every year, the number of the victims of child pornography is increasing. In three years, we can be ranked number one as child-porn producer.”

More......

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2005/jan/20/yehey/metro/20050120met8.html

[0007]

34. Try googling "Child Pornography and Big Business"

You'll find a stagging amount of money being made off of Organized Crime.. that takes advantage of the children.

[Shallah Kali]

37. It is organized

Crime gangs honing Net skills, says cyber cop
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003-10-07-cybercrime_x.htm

But the most active area for the NHTCU, and the new cyber investigation teams everywhere, continues to be breaking up child pornography rings. Nearly half of the 110 arrests made by the unit have been for pedophilia-related charges, Hynds said.

"We are focusing on the organized groups that are making money out of peddling child pornography on the Internet. We are doing that in partnership with business and industry," he said.

"We've deployed officers from this office overseas to physically remove children to places of safety," he added.

International police forces have been tackling the rise of child pornography online with greater success recently. Last week, German police said they cracked a global paedophile ring that involved 26,500 computer users from 166 countries.

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Criminal organizations 'following the money,' former RCMP head says ...
http://www.ecpat.net/eng/Ecpat_inter/IRC/newsdesk_articles.asp?SCID=1561

Organized crime groups in Canada are moving in on the increasingly lucrative child pornography industry, Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan says.

Ms. McLellan, whose department includes the RCMP and CSIS, said the global nature of child exploitation means Canadian authorities are beginning to see trends similar to those in countries such as Italy and Japan, where organized crime has edged its way into the dissemination and production of juvenile pornography.

SNIP

The thing they talked about was that organized crime was taking over this area. It is now starting to do so here. It's becoming a profit centre for organized crime," said Ms. McLellan, who has vowed to step up the fight against the sexual abuse of children.

According to the RCMP and other law enforcement agencies, there is big money to be made in the production of and traffic in child pornography.

[0007]

38. Thank you for articulating the problem better than I did.

[Xithras]

41. We may be talking about two different things here.

Child pornography vs. pedophilia. The difference between a hardcore sexual image of a 17 year old girl and an 18 year old girl is primarily a legal one. The difference between a hardcore sexual image of an 8 year old girl and an 18 year old girl is huge, and can be opposed morally, medically, ethically, societally, religiously, and psychologically.

Child pornography IS a lucrative and well organized market which sells pictures and videos of girls 14-17 years old. 14-17 year old girls ARE women however, and the prohibitions about their activity in sex videos and images are primarily based on legal and social limitations, not physical development. Posts on this very board regarding teenage girls getting abortions repeatedly reinforce this by pointing out that sexually active teenage girls are NOT children. Personally, while I do have concern for the girls who are forced into these types of videos, videos and images of mature teenage girls engaging in sexual acts really don't bother me nearly as much as truly pedophilic images.

What I am talking about is pedophilia...photos and videos of people having sex with prepubescent children. While sex videos of 16 year old girls may be big business, shots of guys deflowering 4 year old girls or masturbating over newborns are still the realm of the isolated sicko. THAT is the kind of kiddy porn that concerns me and that I was referring to.

[Name removed]

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[Xithras]

44. Here's why I think you're wrong

I like porn. A lot. There's nothing wrong with that in my book, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. As a computer programmer, I spend a lot of time on the computer and on the Internet. Since I'm on the computer and Internet, I tend to look at porn on the web. A lot.

While surfing the web for porn, I've come across COUNTLESS sites offering pictures of girls who were obviously in the 15-16-17 range. Hundreds of them, with thousands of girls. Do I look at them? No, I'm not interested in that kind of smut (or the legal problems that go along with it), but I've seen enough of it to know that there has to be a huge market.

Do you want to know how many real kiddy porn sites I've come across? Three. In eleven years of web surfing and pr0n consumption, I've stumbled across all of THREE commercial websites offering the kind of prepubescent kiddy porn described in the OP's article.

I have no doubt that there's a lot of underage porn on the web because I've seen it, and the sheer amount of it indicates that it's a big business. I've seen NOTHING to indicate anywhere near the same volume of images and business for true prepubescent pedophilic imagery. Everything I've seen, and everything I've read, supports my original assertion...most prepubescent children are molested by relatives or family friends, not strangers. If you don't believe me, talk to and LEO or your local DA's office, they'll confirm that fact for you.

[0007]

46. I suggest you should re-read the main article again and some of your own.

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Hasta la vista

[GregW]

18. Ever tried Googling for '+republican +"child pornography"'

Talk about :puke:

[genieroze]

25. Check this out

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/021805Madsen/021805madsen.html

[jenn1977]

51. Just out of curiosity...

has anyone tried that same search, only with '+democrat +"child pornography". I'm too afraid to try this kind of search at work.

[GregW]

53. Of course I did ...

Republican + child pornography = 47,200 hits

Democrat + child pornography = 26,400 hits (many hits are from newspapers with the word democrat, like "Herald Democrat")

See for more details

:puke:

[jenn1977]

54. i figured you did

and i'm not at all surprised by those results. thanks for the link.

[Megahurtz]

27. And just watch, if this happened

in Florida and the girl was pregnant the State would try to force her to give birth!:grr:

I say fry 'em all.:nuke:

[NNN0LHI]

33. And if it happened in Iran most of America would be ready to invade n/t

[0007]

35. Ain't that the truth...

This story indeed bugs me.

[CoffeeCat]

31. I know there are pictures of me out there somewhere...

I've mentioned before that I was sexually abused by my father and his best friend, a police officer--as well as others.

I remember my photo being taken a lot. The police officer's hobby--just so happened to be "photography."

It was so sad to read that article. I can relate immensely to the distant look in the girls' eyes that the article describes. I was first told that this was "a game", but soon you realize it's not normal or fun. Then you panic and start to want out. But then you get punished and that's when you begin to disassociate. You go away to tolerate it. That's the distant look. It's a last-resort coping mechanism that children use to escape trauma.

This article makes me so sad--because it reminds me of the pit this little girl is in.

However, there is hope for this little girl. Someone is looking for her. Professionals are in the process of rescuing her. I have great hope that she will be found. The little girl in the picture (holding the pink hand-held game/computer) is old enough to be in school. At least 200 classmates, neighbors, teachers and others know her.

I'll keep these little girls in my prayers.

[NNN0LHI]

48. Thank you for your post

Other than that I just don't know what else to say except my heart goes out to you.

Don

[JanMichael]

49. I don't have any idea what to say either, like NNN0LHI, I simply wish you

well.

This thread hurts to read.

[0007]

39. bttft

[callous taoboy]

43. I was shocked to learn as a teacher

that 1 in 3 school-aged children will have been molested before graduation, many of them while very young. I forget where I heard that statistic. I have been teaching for 12 years now and have never suspected that any of my students have been sexually abused. I taught in a rough school one year and some of the children seemed really withdrawn, but I suspected just bad home lives in general. How does one know if a child is being molested if the child is not speaking out about it? I have only called the authorities once for physical abuse and once for neglect.

I'm afraid that this sickness is growing because I really believe that the world continues to be fill up with people who are freaking out.

[frustrated_lefty]

47. That's scary.

The last stat I saw on that topic said it was 1 in 4 kids, but that was many years ago.

In high school, there were 3 young ladies I hung out with at times. Two of them were being molested by their fathers. They'd come sit in my backyard to find a safe place for just a bit of time. It was entirely platonic, even at that age I knew they had been so traumatized, all I could do was give them a safe place and ears to listen if they wanted to talk.

One of them had a particularly bad experience, so we ditched school. She was really shaken up, wouldn't talk about it, but needed a safe place.

The next day, I was called into the vice principle's office to ask why I ditched class. I explained there was a situation with a fellow classmate. And this bitch responded that the young lady already had a support group with her other 2 friends and why did they need me? She KNEW the situation, she KNEW what was happening to these young kids, and she DIDN'T help them.

I think you may be right, this sickness is growing. But, worse than that, this situation is tolerated by the very people with authority to at least start fixing what's wrong.

A teenager should never be put in the place where they have to provide therapy to fragile people their own age. It's wrong. And, the damnable thing is that all too often that's the only place kids have to turn to just cope.

Talk with these kids, get to know them. They are damaged, they are too hurt to handle it. 1 in 3, 1 in 4, it is beyond comprehension.

I'm shutting up now, because all I can do now is scream. It's wrong. It's simply wrong. Children should never be forced to endure that.

[TrogL]

55. A friend of mine was being molested by her father

At the time (60's) there was nothing done about it or even anybody she felt safe reporting it to.

[Ian David]

50. 'Tigger' Acquitted of Fondling Teen

'Tigger' Acquitted of Fondling Teen
Wednesday, August 04, 2004



ORLANDO, Fla. — A Walt Disney World (search) worker who portrayed the character Tigger was acquitted Wednesday of charges he fondled a 13-year-old girl while posing for a photo with the teen and her mother.

The acquittal came less than an hour following a three-day trial during which the defense attorney for Michael Chartrand (search) donned a Tigger costume in an effort to show jurors how difficult it is to maneuver and see in the outfit.

Outside court, Chartrand, a native of England who lost his fiancee and had been suspended without pay after his arrest in the case, said he'd like his job back, but that the experience "has ruined my dream to be a character."