Italy media reveals Iraq details

[bemildred]

The pentagon needs to bone up on Word.

Italian media have published classified sections of an official US military inquiry into the accidental killing of an Italian agent in Baghdad.

The 40-page report was censored by the Pentagon before being officially published on Saturday.

---

The missing text contains the names and ranks of all of the American military personnel involved in the killing of Nicola Calipari, the Italian agent who was given a state funeral and awarded Italy's highest medal of valour.

It also reveals the rules of engagement in operation at the military checkpoint near Baghdad airport which have been contested by the Italian authorities.

BBC

[Toucano]

1. National security, anyone?

Can we please hire some 12 year olds to handle the security of our documents?


Both are here:
http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2005/05_Maggio/01/pop_omissis.shtml

[AlmightyTallest]

5. Please

this is the administration that thinks one can bomb terrorists out of existence. Obviously not strong on the subtle stuff. Or anything really other than obfuscating.

[Toucano]

11. But now they're failing in obfuscating.

The one thing they're supposed to be good at! LOL :)

[Jacobin]

16. Some snips from the report of significant candor

(U) Local Security Situation
1. (U) Iraq. From July 2004 to late March 2005, there were 15,257 attacks against Coalition Forces throughout Iraq. The U.S. considers all of Iraq a combat zone. (Annex 8E).
2. (U) Baghdad. Baghdad is a city of six million people and is home to a large number of suspected insurgents and terrorists operating both in the city and its environs.
(S//NF) From 1 November 2004 to 12 March 2005 there were a total of 3306 attacks in the Baghdad area. Of these, 2400 were directed against Coalition Forces. (Annex 8E)


4. (U) Effectiveness of Attacks
(U) The number of IED detonations from 15 June 2003 through 4 March 2005 (the date of the incident), has steadily increased. Although the effectiveness of those detonations has decreased over that timeframe, the overall average number of casualties during that period is nearly one per IED detonation. (Annex 4E).
(S//NF) The week of the incident saw 166 IED incidents, with 131 detonations and 35 IEDs rendered safe. There were 82 casualties from those incidents. (Annex 4E).
(U) The number of VBIED detonations from 15 June 2003 through 4 March 2005 has also seen a relatively steady increase. Similar to the decrease in the effectiveness of IEDs, the effectiveness of VBIEDs has also decreased over that period, but there have been spikes for particular VBIED events that have produced large numbers of casualties.


So, despite, what Hillary and Bush and Lieberman and the other war cheerleaders say, the insurgent attacks are INCREASING and getting mor sophisticated and ALL OF IRAQ is considered a WAR ZONE.

Goddamnit I hate it ....its a goddamned Viet Nam flashback on steroids

[Toucano]

18. That was in the radacted part?

I haven't waded through the two versions as deeply as you yet.

[Jacobin]

21. This really deserves some study

long report.

I've gone over it for a few minutes. Will read some more tonight

[Roland99]

49. The part about the 3306 attacks in Baghdad was redacted

Copy-and-paste reveals the truth.

[Jacobin]

52. Paging Keith Olberman:

Will he report this?

I know none of the others will.

[Catchawave]

83. Send it to him :)

[e-mail]

[shadowknows69]

86. It will just be labeled a fake and a forgery anyway.

This country is blind deaf and doomed.

[grytpype]

20. 15,257 attacks / 9 months = 56.5 attacks/day

[Up2Late]

26. That can't be right, Condi JUST told the world that...

"...what the U.S. government considers "significant" attacks grew to about 655 last year, up from the record of around 175 in 2003...", so those numbers MUST be wrong. :eyes: :sarcasm:

[shadowknows69]

85. I noticed

they differentiated between insurgents and terrorists. I thought the insurgents were the terrorists.

Terrorists=the bad guys who hate America

Insurgents=Iraqi citizens that hate Americans occupying and controlling their country.

15,257 attacks? over 2 years? by my calulations that's like 146 a week. A little bigger number than the news is telling us.

Clinton lied about a BJ. An entire administration is lying daily telling us this war on terra is going well. About as well as Russia's occupation of Afghanistan apparently. Impeach these criminals now!!

[Zhade]

25. WTF? All I have to do is copy the redacted portions and paste in Notepad!

THESE are supposed to be SECURE?

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. I wonder if that trick

would work on other redacted documents? This could be fun.

[Zhade]

29. I think it has, though I can't recall what docs I tried it on.

If these redacted portions are intended to be secure, these guys are bigger idiots than I thought.

(EDITED to add that it will obviously only work on typed docs, not scanned ones.)

[Eloriel]

30. WooHoo!! Go for it. What a fun thing! n/t

[Up2Late]

32. That WOULD be nice, like some of the Censored pages...

...from the 9/11 reports, or the Abu Gareb Scandal.

[bvar22]

40. YES!!!! The 27 pages dealing with the Saudis that were

redacted from the 911 Commission report!!!!

[kenny blankenship]

166. Oh yeah, just run "strings" on .doc files and see what's hidden.

Good for larfs and LARTs.

[rocktivity]

113. Holy crap--it's NOT a joke! I just "unredacted" the PDF myself!!!

Downloaded and opened the PDF, saved all, copied, opened my word processor, pasted it into a new document, and the names all popped up! What did they do, paste a graphic file over what they wanted redcated????

:crazy:
rocknation

[Zhade]

123. Yeah, I'm really starting to wonder if this is a "slow leak".

You know, the "accidentally-on-purpose" theory expressed elsewhere in the thread.

I know this trick has worked on other documents, but for the life of me I can't remember which ones. I'm sure people are going back through old docs as we speak, now that this has reminded some this can be done and shown others who weren't aware.

If it is a leak, kudos to the leaker. If this is standard "redacting", I sure hope they never use this method on nuke launch codes or something.

[kenny blankenship]

165. That's MS-Security, a free feature of Windows.

Well, Office actually, but Mickeysoft thinks they're the same thing, like Internet Exploder and Windows are the same thing.

[Boo Boo]

36. I am literally dumbfounded. /nt

[Wizard777]

55. Does Iraq have any weapons in the 6,000 mile range?

Please don't be a Condi and constantly confuse Bush's Politcal Security with Our National Security. That is how 9/11 happened in part. Political attacks nobody look at Florida.
Then there is Mission Security. Troops are required to give name, rank, and serial number to the enemy so why shouldn't we know this? The rules of engagement can be any vartion of strategies derived from the laws of war....when Bush isn't President. Bush is a bold faced liar and I don't trust him behind closed doors in the dark.

[Toucano]

151. You miss the point.

It ain't even about "being a Condi" or the range of Iraq's weapons.

If the U.S. military determined that the redacted portions of the report needed to be kept confidential - even if they only did so because they liked the pattern the black made on the paper - but then FAILED to LOCK the document before releasing it to the public, it speaks volumes about their competency to defend the country.

Billions of dollars spent on weapons systems, training, and personnel yet they can't secure their own internal reports. The report not actually needing to be secured isn't the point.

Woo Hoo! I bet someone gets a promotion for this!

[Wizard777]

153. That I did!

It seemed to me that you were complaining about Italy's release of their info. But thank you for straightening that out. I do agree that in the Bush Administration that is a screw up worthy of promotion.

[Toucano]

155. Thank you for helping me be more clear. n/t

[dave123williams]

167. Ah, by 'national security' you must mean 'national ass-covering'.

[Toucano]

2. Double post - oops! n/t

[bemildred]

7. Seems to be different but related, but whatever way the mods want

to call it is fine with me. There are a lot of them.

[NYC]

9. I think he meant

he duplicated his own post.

[bemildred]

13. Ah! never mind. nt

[CHIMO]

10. Think That It Was Double Posted By Author Here eom

[Toucano]

14. Exactly.

I changed it to be more descriptive.

In LBN it takes on a different meaning to say "dupe".

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. OMG, this is incredible

"A Greek medical student at Bologna University who was surfing the web early on Sunday found that with two simple clicks of his computer mouse he could restore censored portions of the report."


One way or another the truth is coming out about this incident whether the Pentagon likes it or not.

[Up2Late]

31. What sort of "so-called security" are they using, for this to be so...

...easy to find the CENSORED parts? :blush: Sounds to me like


"heads are going to Roll"

These guys are such Moraines.

[NYC]

4. I found it.

An 11 page Word document.

Go here:

http://www.repubblica.it/

Click on: Rapporto Calipari senza omissis

That clickable link is right under a picture of the San Giovanni Festival, near the top of the page, toward the right.

Related article:
http://www.repubblica.it/2005/d/sezioni/esteri/niccal3/rapportomiss/rapportomiss.html

[NYC]

8. The 37 page document:

http://www.repubblica.it/index.html

Click on the "Con Gli Omissis" part of the red link: SENZA OMISSIS/CON GLI OMISSIS, located to the right of a picture of a computer screen.

[grytpype]

37. No, you want Senza Omissis (without omissions)

[NYC]

60. Strangely, "with the omissions"

seems to mean with the omissions put back in (37 pages). Without the omissions was without the omissions being put back in (11 pages).

[grytpype]

38. As of 10 PM EDT, the document is still available!

Go download it quick!

[Jacobin]

6. When idiots and ideologues run your country

Crazy things like invading Iraq and making it even worse than it was before happens.

This country is in deep shit. The incompetence is staggering

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. It will be interesting to compare

this report to the blacked out version.

Does anyone have a link to the blacked out version?

[Toucano]

15. Here are both.

http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2005/05_Maggio/01/pop_omissis.shtml

[harpo]

65. thanks!!!

[Jacobin]

17. This could be like the GD Pentagon Papers

I've been wading through some of this stuff and there appears to be a lot of candor about how awful things there are.

If there were still newspaper and TV reporting in this country, this would be the smoking gun.....it is a disaster over there

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. From first glance

it would seem that US casualties must be severely under reported. This isn't a smoking gun, it's more like a smoking canon.

[Jacobin]

33. I'm hoping this gets the attention of a DU 'attack dog' group

This thread is a real sleeper....

[0007]

122. You got that right! Daniel Ellsberg where are you?

This thread is a real keeper also.

[cliss]

112. The post I've been waiting for.....

I've suspected for a long time that the Pentagon has been underreporting US casualties. After serious frustration, I decided to put together my own list, using Excel.

I'm putting together an alphabetical list of names. I'm checking lots of sites, like small local towns, to see if there are any deaths that are not reported in the media.

I'm sorting them in alphabetical order, so there won't be any duplication of names.

And I think you can GUESS what I'm going to find out.

[stillcool]

19. Holy Toledo.....

I couldn't take my eyes off this gem.....

1. (U) Iraq. From July 2004 to late March 2005, there were 15,257 attacks against Coalition Forces throughout Iraq. The U.S. considers all of Iraq a combat zone. (Annex 8E).

[DulceDecorum]

23. This morning, while flipping channels

I heard someone from the Wall Street Journal editorial board claim that the war in Iraq is a success.

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. It is a huge success

if your goal is to genocide a nation, take their resources and to hell with the casualties.

[WhiteTara]

120. That's CATASTROPHIC success for you! eom

[jimshoes]

28. Jesus Christ

If this stuff ever hit the MSM, people (the underinformed Americans) that beliieve all the crap the admin tells them, would shit themselves. This is some seemingly explosive data that never gets reported on USA airwaves. Hope this stuff gets some exposure.

[reprobate]

92. This WILL NOT be covered by M$M. Show bush lies. They won't do that.

In fact that's where our protests should go. Not the administration, they couldn't care less. But if the protests are aimed at the media, we stand at least a chance of shaming them into doing their jobs. I've seen many journalists on C-SPAN and FreeSpeach TV, and most of them are ashamed of the coverage they are forced to write.

[Zhade]

34. Kick

Kick

[hollowdweller]

35. The US seems to have zero accountability for anything we do over there.

It's just making us look crappy in front of the whole world. Pretty much playing into the arrogant and insensitive American stereotype.

[ldf]

39. kick

:kick:

[sonias]

41. kick

Incredible find.

Sonia

[daleo]

42. You wonder if this was "accidentally on purpose"

The mistake of making the censored report easy to read just by converting formats, I mean. It will take some time and thought to really come to a reasonable conclusion.

[kineneb]

43. Maybe. But I won't be surprised if it wasn't.

The gov. is generally not too good with computers. Or who ever let out the document was really angry and decided to "accidentally" not to delete the names and damning sections.
Hope the brown stuff hits the rapidly rotating object on this one.

[Dhalgren]

45. We have to keep this kicked.

Someone with an "in" should get this to Boxer or Pelosi or, hell, I don't know - somebody who can scream bloody murder! If the fucking corporate media does not pick this up, then some non-corporate media "work around" has got to be found. This is serious shit...

[Jacobin]

56. Kicking for the night crew

I spent about 20 minutes comparing the two versions. There is gold here that needs to be mined, particularly the lies about the number of attacks.

The big story may not be the attack on this particular vehicle, but the discovery of a frank discussion of the state of Iraq among military people who think no one is listening.

[Up2Late]

44. Very ROUGH computer generated translation from la Repubblica

...using the Alta Vista "Babble Fish" <http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr>

Some of it is translated better than others

A simple computer science operation and disappears the parts covered
Who talked nonsense calls Mario Luzano, of the national Guard of New York
Calipari, jumps the omissis
the names and last names of the USA relationship
All the problems of communication that the USA army had that evening
and an only priority: protect the "Vip" John Negroponte
of DARIO OLIVERO

ROME - Of blow we know names and last names. We know from where the soldiers came who were to check point flying the 541 and that they talked nonsense to the car on which they travelled Giuliana Sgrena, Nicholas Calipari and the other agent of the Sismi that guided. Also of he we know the name. We know the name of the other agent of the Sismi in contact with Calipari from Bagdad. We know who were the officials who that evening of 4 past March had an only priority: protect the convoy of what in all the relationship Vip is called, USA ambassador in Iraq John Negroponte. And we know that between the many mass media in equipment to the USA army something did not work and it was not succeeded to make to know to several the traffic control posts that the Vip already was passed and arrived to destination.

The omissis of which the relationship of the USA commission was studded that how much reconstructs happened that evening, has fallen of blow. For a technical error, a disguido computer science. Enough to take format pdf of the document from the situated one of the commando of the multinational force in Iraq, to copy of the text and glue it on a normal program of writing. Or, changing the color of the background on the pdf and rendering it of the same color of the pecette and choosing the bainco like text color. Three movements of mouse and fall all the secrets.

The man who opened the fire against the Toyota calls Mario Lozano, soldier of the national guard of New York. E' one of the three "specialists" of the check point. The others, all of 69esimo the regiment of infantry, are a captain, a lieutenant and four petty officers first class. Six of they come from the national Guard of New York, one, the commander Michael Drew, are petty officer first class of police of the New York Police Departement. The other four come from the national Guard of the Louisiana.

Drew calculated the speed of the car with which the Toyota a lot was approached and said that it was high, that would not have held the curve. Lozano left the reflector that it held headed at the machine in approach and talked nonsense.

But not there are only the names of the persons been involved in the omissis of the relationship. There are paragraphs and covered entire pages of black. One of the passages more important above all regards the problems of communication that the Americans had that evening, intolerable in a delicate moment like that one, that is the movements of Negroponte. It says the relationship that habitually the communications happen through the Voice over Internet Protocol, but that evening was disguidi. The commander of 76esima the company that coordinated the movements of USA ambassador did not succeed to communicate them to the commando of the Quarter brigade. Neither he tried to make it for radio.

The result was that the order to dismantle the flying traffic control posts, like that one put in feet close to the airport, did not arrive. For this the men to the check point of 69esima the company were still in allerta total.

All this is in a voluminoso omissis. To which if of it it adds an other in which specific that 76esima the company was new of the zone being arrived in Iraq 21 February. And an other that says that the Vip that of usual helicopter was moved in, as made in order to return, dissuaso from the bad conditions of the time.

It is not all. Others you leave darkened regard an analysis of that road, defined the most died them of the zone: from first November 2004 to 12 March 2005 they have been 3,306 attacks in the area of Bagdad, of which 2,400 against the Forces of the coalition. In particular, along the Route Irish - the road for the airport - the attacks have been 135.

In all first part of the document the guerrilla techniques are described and the types of devices that come use you and with which modalities. Above all the divisions are listed and the troops are Americans who irachene engaged in the zone.

Then the techniques of control that go used in the check point and the training are described that the soldiers receive. That one on the searchs of the cars, as an example, the soldiers learn it on the field.

Finally there are the recommendations in order to improve the procedures of control to the traffic control posts in order to avoid that other episodes like that one of Calipari are repeated. Between these, to take in consideration I use it of "ulterior not lethal measures", not to leave a single man is the guard to the acknowledgment beacon is the responsibility to open the fire. Risen of responsibility acknowledgment or however an admission that something in more in order avoiding those dead women could be made. But it was covered from omissis.

(1 May 2005)

I've yet to find this outside of the BBC or Italian News papers, looks like the MSM is in a Spin Meeting, trying to figure out what to report.

:grr:

[wakeme2008]

46. I sent both out to my Dem friends

I am sure by the end of the night thousands of copies of that report will be out....

:D

[Roland99]

47. Nominated for Homepage

[Gloria]

48. Still up at La Republicca at 10:40 PM -Kick

eom

[Up2Late]

50. I just sent an e-mail to NPR and Aljazeera.net asking them to report...

this story. This is getting the Full MSM "black out" treatment! I've yet to see it on any of the Cable "news" channels or any English language "news" websites.:grr:

[ralps]

51. I was able to do what was reported with the classified pdf i.e copy &

paste it into a new word document. So I went back and tried it with the august 2001 pdb that I had saved as a pdf and I wasn't able to get any text in the blacked out sections. So I think either someone really screwed up or someone wanted the blacked out sections to be reported. :shrug: :tinfoilhat:
This is what section of the August 2001 pdb that I copied said

Af1er us missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, Bin Ladin
told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a -- -- service.
An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told - - service
at the same time that Bin Ladin was planning to exploit the operative's
access to the US to mount a terrorist strike,
The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals:

[DoYouEverWonder]

69. The August PDB was redacted by hand with a marker

this report was redacted by changing the background to the font color.

[valis]

81. LOL... I love electronic documents...

[bemildred]

53. A little more math ...

Just pulling numbers and stuff out of it.

It says the car travelled 80m from the alert line (shine light) to it's
stopping point, and generally suggests it was going "fast" and at least
50 mph (~20mps), says all shooting took place in 4 secs. There is
some ambiguity because the car would have been driving around the curve
of the onramp towards the blocking point, so distance travelled is a
bit more than distance from the blocking point.

It says the car did not slow down until the shooting started. Given
the drivers reaction time, a second of so after the shooting started.

That would have been at the "warning line" 2 sec (50mph) after the light
hit the car, maybe three because the light was shined before it got to
the "alert line". So the driver starts stopping the car about 20m from
it's resting place going 50mph and stops it cold in 20m, taking maybe
2 sec?? which makes no sense at all.

At 50mph, the entire course from spotlight to stop is maybe 100m, and
it would take 5 secs to traverse it. If you come to a stop evenly
over the course (avg speed 25mph)it takes 10 sec. If you keep going
and jam the brakes on at the end, maybe 7 sec. But I don't think you
can stop a car going 50mph in 20m/1sec.

[muriel_volestrangler]

74. Braking distance from 50 mph should be 38m (125 feet)

according to a British driving course site. But - that's on a dry road, and the report says the road was wet. The report says firing started at the warning line, and the car stopped 44.8m after the warning line. Including the reaction time (half a second for an expert driver - about 11m at 50 mph), there's no way you could stop from 50mph on a wet road in under 45m.

[Jacobin]

54. These documents are important on a lot of different levels

Redacting the number of attacks on our troops, being the one I find most interesting.

Why would that be 'classified' unless the military is lying to the media about how strong the insurgency is and lying about the success they are having.

This is Viet Nam all over again....General Westmoreland lying about 'body counts', faking success to keep a failed military operation going.

If we still had a news media in this country, this could be the beginning of the end of this fiasco and could save tens of thousands of lives.

[Up2Late]

57. FINALLY! NPR reported this "Technical Error" on the 11:00pm...

...hourly News report. It can be heard at NPR .org

The link is Java, so I can't post it here, but it's on the left side of the NPR home page where it says "Hourly Newscast" next to a tiny speaker Icon.

Still nothing from the MSM whores. CNN is running a week old Larry King interview.:grr:

Oh Wait! Nope! The report has Now been pulled in the 12:00am EDT report, replaced by, you guested it, a "runaway Bride" story! :banghead: :mad:

[Andrushka]

58. Holy moly...

kick.:kick:

(Can we get a smilie of some shit hitting a fan?)

[Zhade]

59. Kick

Kick

[burrowowl]

61. Kick!

This would be terribly funny if it weren't for the tragic aspect.
I can' help myself too funny for MSWord :rofl: :rofl: :kick:
This needs mining.

[Up2Late]

62. WooHoo! "technical error" report is back on the NPR Hourly News...

...cast. Go to npr .org and listen to it before it gets pulled again.
:woohoo:
This is the 2:00am EDT "Hourly Newscast" which is about halfway down on the lest side of the page. I'm hoping that this will be on "Morning Addition" too, which starts in about 3 hours.

[magellan]

64. I just heard it on NPR's site at 3 a.m.

They talk about the error, how it reveals classified info like the manning of checkpoints, and that the Pentagon usually sends such documents by hard copy. They sent this one electronically because reporters in Baghdad are limited in moving from their secure locations.

But nothing about the 15,257 attacks against coalition forces over the last eight months, or that the US considers all of Iraq a combat zone.

[Up2Late]

67. Yes, but the Hourly news update is just that, an Update...

...I hoping this means they will report it on Mondays "Morning Addition." (starts in less than an hour @ 5:00am EDT) There they should give it 4-6 Minutes, which is a hell of a lot more than the MSM whores gave it.

I didn't find a single minute on the Cable T.V. "news" channels.:mad:

[Dhalgren]

76. Nope. I heard NPR's report this morning.

It was a complete whitewash. Just a tech error - nothing to see, no big whoop. ARRGHH! Or something to that effect...

[rocktivity]

115. "Just a techincal error" that could have given valuable info to the enemy

Incompetence sink ships, too. This is a MAJOR SECURITY BREACH, and shouldn't shrugged off any more than Jeff Gannon's White House press access. The person responsible needs to be brought front and center!!!

:mad:
rocknation

[NuttyFluffers]

63. dumbfounding

absolutely dumbfounding.

and i thought i was beyond being shocked anymore.

"monty, monty, monty, i just don't know if i can take anymore! but let's see what's behind door #4 as well!"

[bluedonkey]

66. What does it say?

it won't open for me!What am I doing wrong?Do I have to move the cat?

[Up2Late]

68. If you are talking about the Audio news clip...

...the person that responded to my post, about 3 post up, summed it up well. I think they pulled the story again at 4:00am EDT though.

If you are having trouble with the "Real Audio" player, most likely, you need to run the "Check for updates" program, in the preference, or try just clicking the forward button. NPR recently added a "Sponsor" message before the real clips, and they tend to cause trouble.

[Laughing Mirror]

91. It says it was Italy's fault

Places the blame entirely on Italy, our ally.

It's basically a cover your ass document, if you bother to read it. If you read it closely, you'll see all kinds of inconsistencies, there to try to confuse. For example, it shifts from kilometers to miles, hoping we won't notice, I guess.

The purpose of this sloppily concocted trash is to try to make you believe a car driven by a professional intelligence agent very familiar with the territory was traveling much faster around a curve in the rain than it was and was not responding to flashes and warning signals we insist we were giving. SO THERE!!

Junk reports such as this is, shifting the blame to the victim, the innocent party, is only possible when the writer of the report knows that he can say whatever he wants, nobody is going to punish him anyway.

[wishlist]

70. Report says number of attacks steadily increased 6/03 through 4/4/05

This section of the report says:

" (U) Effectiveness of Attacks (U) The number of IED detonations from 15 June 2003 through 4 March 2005 (the date of the incident), has steadily increased. Although the effectiveness of those detonations has decreased over that timeframe, the overall average number of casualties during that period is nearly one per IED detonation. (Annex 4E).

(S//NF) The week of the incident saw 166 IED incidents, with 131 detonations and 35 IEDs rendered safe. There were 82 casualties from those incidents. (Annex 4E). (U) The number of VBIED detonations from 15 June 2003 through 4 March 2005 has also seen a relatively steady increase. Similar to the decrease in the effectiveness of IEDs, the effectiveness of VBIEDs has also decreased over that period, but there have been spikes for particular VBIED events that have produced large numbers of casualties. (Annex 4E). "

I didn't see anything that would explain why the effectiveness of the attacks has gone down -perhaps a combination of increased awareness and vigilance by the military plus being quicker at the draw in pre-empting attacks?

The report as a whole details a shockingly large number of methods and incidents of attacks and proof that attacks have steadily gone up, not down right up through the time of this incident.

[Igel]

88. But this we knew.

We can even plot them on a weekly or biweekly basis, showing nifty spikes up into the 90s and dips into the 40s, with a general upward trendline. The data's come from the US military.

We've even seen characterizations of them--breakdowns by type of incident, whether RPS, hand-thrown grenade, small-arms fire, IED, VBIED. With this data also coming from the US military.

In other words, everybody's excited at a much fuzzier picture than we've gotten in the past.

[NightOwwl]

71. LA Times has a very limited version:

See how the article plays down release of the damning information:

Miscues at Roadblock in Iraq
An uncensored version of a U.S. military probe into an Italian's slaying cites lack of training, poor communication.

BAGHDAD — A U.S. military probe into the fatal shooting of an Italian intelligence agent in Iraq has found that the soldiers who opened fire had only recently been trained on how to conduct a roadblock, did not know that the Italians' car was expected along their stretch of road, and, because of a communications breakdown, were manning their irregular nighttime post long after they should have been.

According to an uncensored version of the Army's report on the March 4 shooting, which killed agent Nicola Calipari and wounded an Italian journalist whom he had helped free from hostage-takers, the soldiers had been ordered to block an onramp along the road to Baghdad's airport to allow safe passage of a convoy carrying U.S. Ambassador John D. Negroponte.

The report said the troops were asked to set up the roadblock around 7:15 p.m. and they "expected to maintain the blocking position no more than 15 minutes." Negroponte's convoy apparently passed by the onramp shortly after 8 p.m., but because of poor communications, the troops were still in place when Calipari's car approached just before 9 p.m.

The U.S. report exonerated the soldiers of any wrongdoing and said they acted according to established rules of engagement. That conclusion prompted a fierce reaction from Rome, and the Italian government is expected to publish a rebuttal to the findings today.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-report2may02,1,4620127.story?coll=la-headlines-world&ctrack=2&cset=true (Registration Required)

Excuse me, but does anyone find it coincidental that Negroponte's convoy passed by less than an hour before the car carrying the Italian journalist? But that's enough time to make a few "plans."

And notice the ho-hum attitude surrounding the uncensored information: "Lt. Col. Steve Boylan, a senior military spokesman, said an error in formatting allowed censored portions of the report to be made public."

Oopsy. Nothing to see here. Just move along.

[DoYouEverWonder]

73. Accidentally on purpose?

Now the media is spinning this story has proof that the US version of events is true because even the redacted portions back up their claims. However, what this report proves is that the US screwed this up from start to finish, so that it is no longer possible to prove anything.

[Junkdrawer]

75. Yep. Accidental my ass...

...but it does show that the (failed?) assassination was more costly than they anticipated.

[daleo]

121. That was my thought too.

If there really was a Negroponte style hit squad involved, how better to throw suspicion off than "accidentally" reveal a less contentious version of events. I suppose we are down the rabbit hole a bit, but this whole Bush administration has a definite Alice in Wonderland aspect to it.

[Rose Siding]

110. "...lack of training, poor communication"

That's a scandal, in and of itself. -and a death sentence to anyone who gets in the way.

[NewHampshireDem]

72. Here's another link in case the others die

http://vowe.net/archives/005838.html

You can get both the redacted PDF and the unredacted Word file from that site.

[MetaTrope]

77. Being discussed also

on slashdot

[Turley]

78. Time for me to be unpopular again

At the time of the incident I guessed that the soldiers didn't know about the mission because the Italians wanted to keep the whole thing quiet. This report would confirm that.

Flame awy if you must. But the Italians bear some of the blame here.

[Laughing Mirror]

97. Captain Green knew. Did he or did he not tell his boys?

That that car was on the road. That's the question.

What blame does any Italian have in this?

[Turley]

99. It's real easy

The reason the Joe's didn't know is because the Italians didn't want them to know. They wanted to keep the whole thing on the sly.

After all, if you told half the regiment that you were doing a stealthy hostage rescue, how long would it be before one of them posted the info on Freeperville or some other such RW website?

[Laughing Mirror]

101. That makes absolutely no sense.

The Italians HAD to let US know they were on the road so they would not be shot at. If they did not let them know they risked being shot at. They DID let them know, but they were shot at anyway.

Why would the Italians want the US to shoot them? That is what you are saying and it makes no sense.

[Turley]

125. Of course it makes sense

The Italians had two choices:

1) Notify enough of the U.S. command structure to guarantee safe passage. Obvious drawback: too many Yanks know what you're doing and one of them will send an email to Fox News.

2) Rely on the professionalism of your Secret Service guys to talk their way out of any problems that arise. Keep notification of the US troops to an absolute minimum to avoid disclosure.

My guess, which is backed up by this report, is that they chose the 2nd option. Telling one single O-3 is the military equvalent of telling no one. If they wanted the US involved in assuring safe passage of the extracted hostage there would have been 20-30 people in the know. They obviously thought choice number two would work.

I don't know why you people give so much credit to the fascist mafioso Gov't of Berlusconi. They are nothing more than the mafia. The man owns nearly all the broadcast media in his country. He is a walking violation of the constitution. He couldn't have given two shits about the hostage and only got her out because the part of the press he doesn't own would have crucified him.

[Frederik]

128. The Italians claim that US authorities

DID know very well because they had been duly informed by the Italians. So your premise, that the Italians wanted to keep the operation quiet, rests on the assumption that the Americans are telling the truth here, even though the Italians claim that they don't. That's a very questionable assumption.

[Turley]

135. Once again

what makes you think a fascist mafiosi like Berlusconi is anymore inclined to tell the truth than the Chimp? You wanna 'splain that to me?

I've maintained all along that the Italians probably didn't trust the Americans enough to really confide in them. At least not in numbers. That is perfectly logical and consistent with the way some of these stealth operators work.

[Frederik]

149. Because

if it was up to Berlusconi, he would have gone along with Bush, told his people that whatever the Americans say, it's the truth. But his people are extremely suspicious, the two surviving occupants of the car have told their story, which is nothing like what this bogus report claims, and thus it would be political suicide for Berlusconi to accept it. Besides, the Italian investigators probably realize that the US are lying here, and they're not necessarily "owned" by Berlusconi. Berlusconi is actually pretty weak now, politically.

Berlusconi would have gone out of his way to avoid making an incident out of this, but his powers are limited at the moment.

According to Naomi Klein, Sgrena told her that they were on a special road which connects the Green Zone directly to the airport, and which is reserved for VIPs. If this is correct, then obviously all the American authorities were informed. Even if it's not - and I don't really have any reason to doubt it - then two experienced intelligence operatives who had been in Iraq before (Calipari had been there and released hostages before) would have known how things work, who you should inform in order to not get shot up at checkpoints and so on. And, a plane was waiting for them at the airport. Clearly someone knew they were there. Even if they kept their mission secret until it was accomplished, they would have had to inform certain authorities about their presence there.

How far that information got, is another question.

[uncle ray]

102. or maybe they wanted to kill people

"The signs that A Company, 1-69 IN Soldiers had used in Taji had not been available since their move to Baghdad on 5 February 2005. (Annexes 81C, 112C). On or about 12 February 2005, the signs were unloaded and stored next to a conex. There were approximately 25 signs in this shipment. These were TCP signs that said “Stop and Wait to be called forward.” Other signs that had been for the rear of vehicles said “Stay back 100 meters or you will be shot.” The last part of that phrase “or you will be shot” was to be covered with tape. (Annex 112C). The signs had not been modified, and, therefore, not reissued as of 4 March 2005. (Annex 95C)."

get that? they didn't use the signs they had to warn people that they would get shot if they approached, because they were to TAPE OVER the warning that they will be shot!

[Up2Late]

106. You Just are NOT getting this. This "report" is One Complete LIE

It's total Bullshit. To believe this report, which is full of inconsistencies, you would have to believe everything these liars have told you in the past. But almost everything they have said in the past is a LIE.The report even reviles some of the aspects of the cover-up (i.e. "contamination of the crime scene")

So answer this, Why would they start telling the truth NOW, when this was an Obvious Mistake and/or worse, an deliberate act to suppress information?

Answer. They wouldn't.

[Turley]

126. You are just soooo obsessed

with hanging something on the Chimpster that you give total leeway to the fascist, mafioso government of Berlusconi. Why would the Right Wing Italian government tell the truth? They have no motivation to tell the truth. They wanted to get the hostage out without admitting to the World they were negotiationg with the terrorists. They didn't want anyone to know.

That's why they tride to keep it on the sly. That's where they fucked up. You thing Right Wing dumbasses like Sylvio aren't capable of fucking up?

[Name removed]

127. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Turley]

133. Unimpressed

.

[rocktivity]

111. The US had a plane waiting for them at the airport!

WITH Italian and American officials waiting to see them off. So the US MUST have known, and somehow word didn't reach the soliders. Which, no matter how you slice it, was the US's fault!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Laughing Mirror]

114. It was impossible for them not to have known

Impossible. Remember, this road to the airport was not just any road. It was a VIP road, a secured road for only high level officials, and the only way to get on it is through the Green Zone and pass through a number of checkpoints, real checkpoints, about six I think, to get to the airport. The car had gone through all the checkpoints and was already at the airport, a few hundred meters I think.

Somebody put that tank on the side of the road. We don't know who put it there and why it fired on the car.

[0007]

124. John Negroponte knew of every move that was going on in case.

What are you kidding me?

[bemildred]

79. Italy releases report into death of security agent

The Italian government is heading for an uncomfortable diplomatic showdown with the White House today as it published the conclusions of an investigation into the death of an intelligence agent in Iraq.

The Pentagon has exonerated American troops of any culpability following its own inquiry into the shooting of Nicola Calipari at a checkpoint in Baghdad, hours after he had secured the release of an Italian hostage, Giuliana Sgrena, a journalist, on March 4.

The Rome report - written against a background of growing domestic discontent over the continued presence of troops in Iraq and the elevation of Sr Calipari, 51, to the status of popular hero - is expected to contradict these findings on at least two key points.

---

In contrast, the Italian report is expected to rule that the American control centre was informed of the operation several hours in advance, and was told of the successful hostage release 25 minutes before Calipari was killed.

TimesOnLine

[HootieMcBoob]

80. This needs to stay on top

:kick:

[valis]

82. KICK

[malmapus]

84. We need to get this out

Word of this has to spread around and open the eyes of our fellow Americans that this war is soo wrong, espicially along with the news coming from across the pond about our great war President wanting to goto war back in 2002.

[newscott]

87. This is a big F you to *

Good.

[valis]

89. I doubt it was intentional. Many of these folks are computer illiterate.

[Barrett808]

90. Original and unexpurgated reports available here

I have uploaded the Pentagon report on the US attack on Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena. Elided sections have been restored by a "Greek medical student at Bologna University."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IraqFrontNews/files

[rodeodance]

93. cnn just reported on this Classified doc see this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1757813#1757839

[rodeodance]

95. Cnn-surprized by the number of attachs in Iraq-said this was new info

[DoYouEverWonder]

98. CNN is surprised by the number of attacks?

Please give me a break CNN. Maybe they should go out of the Green Zone once in awhile for a dose of reality.

[Jacobin]

103. It wasn't in their daily fax from Rove on what to 'report'

Thus, they feign surprise.

AmericanPravda......can't get much lower than this pond scum

[beam me up scottie]

100. Thanks.

eom

[mistertrickster]

94. As Al Franken says, "they're corrupt AND incompetent." One doesn't

rule out the other.

[berni_mccoy]

96. Kicking for evidence of impeachment

:kick:

[Jacobin]

104. Kick!!!

[The Straight Story]

105. kicking with a fun link

http://www.google.com/unclesam?hl=en&lr=&q=redacted+filetype%3Apdf&btnG=Search

[valis]

107. Could this be intentional?

First, now the people get to see the stuff they were "classifying". is there anything really damnig there? If not, it implies that they are not classifying stuff that would point to a conspiracy.
Second, the extremely high number of attack reported (over 15K) makes this accident look "small", in comparison. It shows why these soldiers have to be really careful and why the engagement rules are so strict...

What do you all think?... I think that SOMEBODY at the Pentago should get fired, if this were for real... How to find out?...

[bemildred]

108. It's hard to say.

Stay tuned and see how it shakes out.

The level of incompetence displayed is entirely credible in my
experience, but that doesn't mean it was or was not intentional.

[PassingFair]

145. I think that bright pink light got into your brain!

Just kidding, I love PKD and Valis is one of his greatest books.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

109. Italy is taking the lead in the movement to stand up to U.S.World tyranny

Other countries may follow, one by one.
The U.S. reputation is "shot" (pun intended).

This is the beginning to the "end" of ANY credibility that is left as far as U.S. intention and role in World affairs.

We are going down hard.
And it's our fault for allowing social deviants to dictate foreign and domestic policy.
And we can blame the people of the U.S. ...the blood is on their (our) hands---they won't wake up until it's way too late.

[rocktivity]

116. If Italy REALLY wants to take the lead in standing up to US tyranny

They'll pull their troops. NOW.

:headbang:
rocknation

[valis]

137. Also, they kick the Pope in the butt!

[Turley]

136. Oh C'mon

They've elected a Mafia Don as Prime Minister. Italy, under its current government, is an insult to Europe.

They're "taking the lead" in electing Right-Wing governments (at least in Europe)

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

146. their mafia's better than "our" mafia

organized crime currently runs this world.
Why is there a "record" opium crop in "liberated" Afghanistan? Talk about organized crime! The drug trade is their favorite means of quick under the table dough.
Someone's calling the "shots"---from right here in the U S of Aye.

For Italy's corrupt govt to take the lead in standing up against our "corrupt" govt is a very positive thing.
"insult to Europe" my ASS!
The citizens of Rome turned out one million strong to protest the U.S invasion of Iraq.
--It's their free press that is exposing many of "our" wrong actions in Iraq.

The journalist who was ambushed on the way to the airport was about to expose "our" use of Napalm and Chemical weapons in the aggressive extermination of all life in the "taking of Fallujah".

200, thousand dead Iraqis is a little worse than any other crimes currently underway on the planet with the exception of Sudan.

One day someone's going to have to haul away the Chimp screaming and kicking in handcuffs.

Our beloved yellow ribbon magnet buying, flag waivin' country poses more danger to world freedom and stability than ANY other nation.

Let Freedumb wring (the necks of all who stand in our way)!


.

[Turley]

154. Re: "insult to Europe" my ASS!

I think you need to get a clue. I live in Europe and travel widely here. The vast majority of Social Democrats in Europe consider the Berlusconi government and its ultra-right wing coalition allies as an abomination. He is nothing more than a mafia Don.

Yes, his government is an insult to Europe and this is precisely what most other Europeans believe. You can shout in bold print all you like. It doesn't change anything on the ground.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

169. you have some personal prejudices and problems

I am thus forced to ignore your bigotted statements.

I did see you had some communications problems with others earlier in this thread.

Just keep reading- you may learn somethining here at D,U,

[IChing]

117. kick

Watch europe's reaction tomorrow

[Catchawave]

118. Sent to Olbermann !!

He has a crack research team ! :patriot:

[rocktivity]

119. scossa

By the way, who's going to take the fall for this? It can't be someone high up because that would make Bush look bad. And it can't someone low down because such a person had no business looking at classified information!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Frederik]

129. Haven't you been paying attention?

If you screw up, you get promoted. It's the new rule. Nobody takes the fall.

[valis]

140. That is the CRUCIAL question.

If NOBODY takes the fall it probably means the "mistake" was intentional.

[bemildred]

130. Disclosure of censored portions of Italian checkpoint shooting report

"unfortunate": Pentagon

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon expressed chagrin Monday over the inadvertent disclosure of classified portions of a US report on the shooting of an Italian intelligence officer at a US checkpoint in Baghdad, calling the release of the information "unfortunate."

---

"It was unintentional, and it was an unfortunate procedural error that the portions that were redacted were able to be converted into a file that you could unhighlight the redactions," said Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman.

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=41343

[MetaTrope]

131. So far, one article about this, on the BBC

which has nothing to say about the actual content of the document.

[valis]

139. An article on CNN too.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/05/02/italy.report/index.html

They say:

"The classified version of the U.S. report appeared on the Internet because of a computer error, officials said. CNN is not reporting any details that would risk the security and privacy of U.S. and Italian personnel, including their names."

LOL. It's already on the internets, what privacy??

[Richard Steele]

144. ALSO: CNN is not reporting U.S. claims that car VIOLATED LAWS OF PHYSICS!

This US report actually DISPROVES itself, and lends evidence to the Italian claim that they were going no more than 30mph.

(see Bemildred's EXCELLENT post above re: stopping distance.)

And, just wondering: why does this NOT explain why the US refused to let the Italians inspect the vehicle, even after they BOUGHT it from the rental agency?

This bullsh*t isn't even a 'coverup', it's a damn Monty Python sketch!

The headlines might as well read:

U.S. Response To Claims That 'Its Arm is Off': QUOTE, "No it isn't!"

World Community Points to ARM on Ground; USA says "Only a Flesh Wound"

This would be funny if Iraq wasn't actually littered with human arms.
The little ones next to the teddy bears bother me sometimes.
I guess that's why I'm not a "freedom-spreadin" Republican.

[Frederik]

150. BREAKING: CAR VIOLATES LAWS OF PHYSICS

wouldn't that have been something :+

[ralps]

132. I sent the link to this thread, the BBC article, and the pdf and word

files to Mike Malloy's producer. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[psychopomp]

134. kick

[0007]

138. bttft

[Catchawave]

141. It's been covered on MSNBC all afternoon !

Well, somewhere between the weather, the runaway bride, Laura's Stand-up and the MJ case :)

But they've been talking and reporting it up!

This is good, right?

[eridani]

142. From an Italian email correspondent

http://damon.typepad.com/plundered/

I dunno if and how the U.S. media reported it, but something funny happened in Italy today.

The US-Italian joint commission on the Calipari shooting (the secret service operative killed in Baghdad by the Marines after freeing a journalist) was released yesterday.

The US members reached conclusions not agreed upon by the Italian members, so the official report (absolving the marines, big surprise) for now is signed only by the U.S. The Italian one is due in days.

Anyway, the report released was about 46 pages long, and full of omissions. I didn't read it but the newspapers said that about a third of the report was blacked out. That's because they put the whole file online and blacked out the "top secret" parts.
Now, today something *funny* happened.

An Italian blogger downloaded the file. "Oh, look, it's a pdf, he thought. I have Acrobat. What if I try and convert it into Word?" Officials CAN be so dumb.

One click and the black covering disappears once in word, and every single part is perfectly readable.

So the guy called the police and the press and alerted the net and put the thing on his blog and everyone tried on their owm pc and saw that the text is perfectly crackable (I don't even think that for such a dumb operation of secrecy-breaking you should use the word crack...) and readable in its entirety!

So the name of the Marine (just one) that shot is revealed, as the name of our secret service agent that was driving the car, the rules of engagement of the marine patrols in Baghdad, the declarations of the people involved, the names of other secret operatives who talked with our agents before or after the thing, the number of guerrilla attacks in Baghdad in the last month, the number of guerrilla attacks in Baghdad on that same road in the week before the shooting (166 in only a week, I guess that they haven't reported them all to the media) and so on.


You can decide if to laugh or cry at such stupidity, if my secret services were so dumb I would be really mad. I mean, secret WHAT??
Anyway, now our judiciary opened a file on the Marine who shot Calipari, for murder. They couldn't do it before, since the name had been blacked out

This is a link in Italian (from Corriere della Sera) explaining what was under the omission.

This is another also from Corriere.

And finally (drum roll) here's the link to a window with the two versions, with and without censures.. Have fun, this should be in English.

[DoYouEverWonder]

143. Now our judiciary opened a file on the Marine

who shot Calipari, for murder.

Oops, I bet who ever created and posted this document shouldn't expect any promotions anytime soon.

[PassingFair]

147. KICK!

All I can say is: Gotcha!
I hope this is the blood seeping from beneath Blue Beard's hallway door.

[bemildred]

148. A little more math ...

Between 1 Nov 2004 and 12 Mar 2005:

24 attacks per day in Baghdad
18 attacks per day on "coalition forces" in Baghdad
1 attacks per day on "route Irish"

IEDs 1 casualty/detonation
82 causalties in the week in question.
Projected, that is ~320 casualties per month, e.g. an airliner

VBIEDS week of attack: 17 (+ five rendered safe)
(Hence about 3 tries/day that week)
Casualties/VBIED = 23; hence 17 x 23 = 391 for week; 55-60/day
(this is mushy about who the casualties were, I think)

[reality based]

152. The Italians have released their version

It can be accessed in Italian here http://www.repubblica.it/interstitial/interstitial307480.html

A BBC article about the report is here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4504855.stm

The report states that the disagreement about the speed of the vehicle is really irrelevant since the "checkpoint" was set up without sufficient signaling to traffic on the road. It criticizes the inadequate training of the U.S. personnel involved. It further maintains that American forces had been adequately informed of the Italians' presence.

[demo dutch]

161. You can count on the Italian report being right!

[reality based]

163. At least they haven't had problems

redacting their report. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4506517.stm

[IChing]

156. Duty logs prove it was a hit

The Italian report, written by a diplomat and a general assigned to Italy's secret services and released on Monday, said no measures were taken by US officials to preserve the scene of the shooting. It said the car carrying Sgrena and the agents was removed before its position was marked, for example. The soldiers' vehicles also were moved.

It also noted that an Italian general was denied access to the shooting site immediately after the slaying, and that duty logs were destroyed after the soldiers' shifts.

The driver has testified that he knew the area very well and that no roadblock had been on the highway, when he and Calipari drove out of the airport on their way to pick up Sgrena only hours before the shooting.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1698749,00.html

[Name removed]

157. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Sparkly]

158. Oh, so it's Clark's fault.

General Clark has nothing to do with this!! Why do you constantly bring him up? Is this some sort of fixation? :eyes:

[ralps]

159. Thom Hartmann just mentioned this report. His radio show can

be downloaded at http://www.whiterosesociety.org/ a subscription is needed to download his show. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[IChing]

160. If you have apple

and itunes you can go to the radio portion and get it without registering.

[IChing]

162. stars and omissions

[IChing]

164. graphics from Italy

Sorry if its a little large., translation from apple



1 - "speed of the machine: one not important issue "

The USA have supported that the car with the Italians travelled
to 96 km to the hour. According to the Italian relationship, "the
issue is not important". Credit is given to the words of Carpani
("guided to 50 to the hour"): moreover, the "bottom was bathed", there
was a curve and "the driver was to the telephone"

2 - Identifying the street one "Not was no barrier"

According to the USA, there were three barriers to protection
of the two Humvee of the soldiers. Before it was posizionata to 142
meters the soldiers, the second one more than hundreds. For the
Italians, "not there were marks them of warning who would have tax a
moderated sailing point however of the car"

3 - "the mission of Calipari was famous to the USA commando"

The USA say: we have not been informs you of the mission. The
Italians: "While it is verosimile that the chain of USA commando was
not formally to acquaintance of the content of the mission is,
instead, unquestionably sure that was to the current of the arrival of
dottor the Calipari".

4 - "the scene of the incident altered after the shooting"

According to the USA, "the scene of the incident has not been
altered" in order to allow all the reliefs. Not therefore for the
Italians: "assessed E' that the place of the event has not been
preservato therefore com' was (...)". Moreover, combined surveying has
carried out with "one series of limitations and ties

http://www.corriere.it/

[IChing]

168. the Government are asking in the investigation

that the Italian magistrates (their own govt. report) to inquire on the role of former USA ambassador to Baghdad Negroponte: which wasn't really addressed in the US report
role in the roadblock.

http://www.unita.it/index.asp?SEZIONE_COD=HP&TOPIC_TIPO=&TOPIC_ID=42405