Fears of trade in children as 300 boys disappear

[seemslikeadream]

By Alistair Foster, Evening Standard
13 May 2005

...

The figure emerged through the murder inquiry following the discovery of a child's torso in the Thames in September 2001. The identity of the victim, named "Adam" by police, is not known but his background was traced to Nigeria, it is believed he died in a ritual sacrifice.



Detectives asked each London local education authority to give them details of black boys aged four to seven reported missing from school between July and September 2001. It emerged 300 had vanished, 299 from Africa and one from the Caribbean.

...

Detective Chief Inspector Will O'Reilly, leading the hunt for Adam's killers, said: "It is a large figure, far more than we anticipated. 300 young boys didn't return to school and are really lost in the system."

Police visited the children's addresses, but in most cases were told the boys had returned to Africa. Inquiries undertaken via Interpol in the boys' home countries failed to trace them.

Journalist Yinka Sunmonu, an expert in the issue, told the BBC's Today programme: "Children are being trafficked. There is domestic slavery, physical abuse, sexual abuse. Children are ... here one day and gone the next."

more
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/18601085?source=Evening%20Standard#

[Atman]

1. Better check the republicans' closets

Start with the ones who are screaming the loudest against sex and porn...they're the obvious ones.

[mikehiggins]

2. John Stewart is right

Lots of these rightwingers are closet cases, not just the mayor of Spokane.

[nashville_brook]

13. bill hicks -- collection of little shoes...

i'll say no more

[KansDem]

29. Or the Republican White House...

Check around midnight:



http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm

[Roland99]

3. Who the hell is hiring little boys as domestic servants in Britain?

Geez Louise!! Are we back in the Dark Ages???

[Miss Chybil]

5. Did you read the "ritual sacrifice" part? Nobody's getting these boys to

clean their toilets.

[Roland99]

10. I was hoping that was an exception

:scared:


Wonder if JimmyJeff will cover this story?

[Miss Chybil]

31. I can hardly think about it. You think we're moving forward when it comes

to human rights, etc., only to find out some people are sick no matter what their era.

[emad]

4. When my youngest son was 7 years old a little Nigerian boy at

his London school disappeared after one summer holidays. Eventually the parents were busted for an illegal immigration scam that showed he wasn't even their kid but an ID theft to back up their own fraudulent passports and ID stories.

Some time later they were busted again for being connected to a fraud run by an evangelical church in Kilburn, North London where the Pastor was convicted of theft, embezzlement, running a brothel and perverting the course of justice.

That scam in turn turned out to be a part of an organised crime ring originating in Nigeria that specialised in those banking scams where they contact you saying they will pay you $$$$$$$$s for cashing cheques/setting up bank accounts etc if only you send them some money for starting up costs as well as the details of your bank account.....

[MountainLaurel]

7. Here in the DC area

There was a case several years ago of a 12- or 13-year-old girl recently arrived from China who disappeared after being seen getting into a van on her way home from school. There were a couple news articles, and then the story died away.

My friend taught at that school and told us the real story as provided to the staff. Apparently, the girl had been sold into prostitution by her mother. The folks with the van were from a rival "organization", kidnapping her. The police lost her trail in St. Louis.

[oblivious]

55. Unbelievably, people actually fall for that scam.

From my local paper in Hong Kong. No longer available on-line. 7.8 HK$ = 1 US$.

Wednesday, April 13, 2005

Swindler jailed for $1.2m Nigerian e-mail scam

A man who swindled his victim out of $1.2 million using a version of the notorious Nigerian e-mail scam has been sent to prison for 39 months.

...The court heard that in late November 2003, the victim, US citizen Gary Tsang Ming, received an e-mail from a person claiming to be a lawyer. He was told of an opportunity to inherit a relative's US$8 million estate, supposedly held at the Hong Kong branch of a foreign bank. But he would need to pay various fees, including one to obtain a purported international "anti-terrorist" certificate before the estate could be released.

The prosecution alleged that two months later Mr Tsang wired three payments, totalling $1.2 million, to an account at the Hong Kong branch of the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China.

[RebelOne]

69. I get at least 3 of those 419 Nigerian scam letters per day.

Visit http://www.419eater.com and see what some people are doing to get back at those crooks.

[fortyfeetunder]

71. Darn!

And all this time I have been dumping those letters in the spam box!

[Senior citizen]

6. Life is cheap

during overpopulation peaks like the one we're in now. It is easy for hundreds of kids to disappear without anyone noticing.

Human trafficking is actually easier in many cases than trafficking in arms or drugs.

Nominating for greatest. (But not sure anyone will notice.)

[LiberallyInclined]

20. and it's gonna get cheaper-

as the world economy gets worse.

[Minstrel Boy]

8. Welcome back to Atlanta

What's that? Ritual killings of children? Such things don't happen today....

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/05/welcome-back-to-atlanta.html

[DulceDecorum]

11. What is even more curious

is that the FBI REFUSES to keep real records of the problem or to get involved in more than a scattered handful of cases per year.

Europe has a whole lot going in the pedophilia department
and the S&M stuff they put some of these kids through
makes Abu Ghraib look like a brisk workout at the gym.

It is SO AWFUL that just even looking at some of the stuff ONCE can fry your head. Permanently.
Moloch.

[emad]

12. You wonder why in the UK?"Alleged Pedophiles Helm Blair's War Room"

CounterPunch

January 29, 2003
Blackout in Britain
Alleged Pedophiles Helm Blair's War Room
by MIKE JAMES

A child-sex scandal that threatened to destroy Tony Blair's government last week has been mysteriously squashed and wiped off the front pages of British newspapers. Operation Ore, the United Kingdom's most thorough and comprehensive police investigation of crimes against children, seems to have uncovered more than is politically acceptable at the highest reaches of the British elite. In the 19th of January edition of The Sunday Herald, Neil Mackay sensationally reported that senior members of Tony Blair's government were being investigated for paedophilia and the "enjoyment" of child-sex pornography:

"The Sunday Herald has also had confirmed by a very senior source in British intelligence that at least one high-profile former Labour Cabinet minister is among Operation Ore suspects. The Sunday Herald has been given the politician's name but, for legal reasons, can not identify the person.

There are still unconfirmed rumours that another senior Labour politician is among the suspects. The intelligence officer said that a 'rolling' Cabinet committee had been set up to work out how to deal with the potentially ruinous fall-out for both Tony Blair and the government if arrests occur."

The allegations are the most serious yet levelled at an administration that prides itself on the inclusion in its ranks of a high quota of controversial and flamboyant homosexual men, and whose First Lady, Cherie Blair, has come under the spotlight for her indulgence in pagan rituals that resemble Freemasonic rites. Unconfirmed information also suggests that the term "former Labour Cabinet minister" is misleading and that the investigation has identified a surprisingly large number of alleged paedophiles at the highest level of British government, including one very senior cabinet minister.

The Blair government has responded by imposing a comprehensive blackout on the story, effectively removing it from the domain of public discussion. Attempts on the part of this journalist to establish why the British media has not followed up on the revelations have met with a wall of silence. Editors and journalists of The Times, The Daily Telegraph, The Guardian, The Independent, The Sunday Times, The Observer, The Sunday Telegraph, The Daily Mail, The Daily Express, The Mirror, The Sun, the BBC, Independent Television News and even The Sunday Herald have refused to discuss the matter.

Speaking from London, freelance journalist Bob Kearley told me:

"Whether or not a D-Notice has been issued is not clear. But based on some of the feedback I've been getting it's apparent that editors and media owners have voluntarily agreed not to cover the story at this time. Operation Ore is still being reported, but not in regard to government ministers, and it's taking up very few column inches on the third or fourth page. Don't forget that the intelligence services are involved here, and Blair is anxious to ensure that the scandal does not rock the boat at a time when the country is about to go to war."

"You can imagine the effect this would have on the morale of troops who are about to commit in Iraq. In fact morale is reportedly quite low anyway, with service personnel throwing their vaccines into the sea en route to the battlefront and knowing how unpopular the war is with the British people. And a lot of squaddies I've met think there's something weird going on between Bush and Blair. If you're then told that the executive responsible for the conduct of the war is staffed by child-molesters ... well, then Saddam suddenly looks like the sort of bloke with whom you can share a few tins ."
References:

<http://www.sundayherald.com/30813> <http://www.sundayherald.com/29876>
FROM:http://www.gaiaguys.net/OperationOre.htm

[nashville_brook]

14. YIKES! remember BUSH at the UN? the crazy talk about the sex trade?

i wonder if that was a veiled threat to Blair that he better get on board with the WAR?!!! yikes!

[lostnfound]

23. By george, what interesting speculation. Uggh. nt

[nashville_brook]

47. i watched that address live and was STRICKEN when he went into this

weird, sex trade thing. i thought at the time -- that's AWFUL random. he doesn't write his own shit -- this is a HUGE speech -- that's in there for a reason. cheney is sending a message. bush doesn't do anything that doesn't have a THREAT tied to it. i think it's all right there and this makes me take another look at guckert and all this news about the anal raping and prostitution and strangulation and Platos Retreat and group sex -- HOLY freaking COW these people are up something. they have garnered the evilest of evil forces and are somehow profiting and extorting. i'm afraid it's plain as day.

the need to DOMINATE in the world generally, i think this in itself points to a sickness that HAS to manifest personally. i avoid "dominators" at all cost in my personal life -- it's a survival instinct after many years of abuse from employers, etc.

every single time i have come in contact with authoritarian, overtly religious, Dominion-types, i get the creeps -- like if you let them inside your personal life they would wreak havoc. having worked in the christian music industry i have brushed shoulders with many of these creeps -- and not everyone is like that. you can feel it on them. it's something about a tightness around the eyes and corners of the mouth that betrays an underlying meanness.

[Jose Diablo]

57. Something I wonder about is Edgar J. Hoover

when he died, Who got his files?

[0007]

35. good point and its well taken. n/t

[lostnfound]

24. Remarkable article you've got there. "Agreed not to cover it"

due to potential impact on troop morale?? WTF is wrong with these people.

[emad]

61. Yep, the troops would be so MORALISED if they knew the

disgusting truth that implicated Blair and his gargoyle wife DIRECTLY in child sex abuse and its extensive cover-up in the UK.

Blair has a direct personal connection via a daughter he has not owned up to in public. Late 20s, living in London and mired in a cover-up of a girl who she closely resembled who was murdered after veing raped. Whose ID she took on after the murder was whitewashed on John Major's personal orders in 1991.

Has a £1.5million trust fund that was financed by drugs money laundered via Miami, Lisbon and Rotterdam. Linked to UK organised crime and Irish paramilitaries living scot-free after Blair's laughable Good Friday Agreement with the Provos.

Part of her ID mythology is a supposed "brother" - also a complete con. He was caught six years ago acting as a courier for Peter Mandelson to a North Korean arms gang.

Guess the troops might think this is somewhat tainting in a wartime leader UK prime minister.....

[seemslikeadream]

43. emad could you check that first link?

it's not working for me.

Thanks
SLaD

[emad]

60. Copied directly from the CounterPunch site:

<http://www.sundayherald.com/30813> <http://www.sundayherald.com/29876> <http://politics.guardian.co.uk/cherie/story/0>,12713,857416 ,<00.html>

EDIT: don't know why it's no longer working. Spooks' dirty ops?

[Project_Willow]

45. Thank you for posting

these articles, slad, and everyone.
I believe elite pedos in the US are a major organ in the belly of the beast of the kid trade.
I am not surprised about the hearsay or rumors either. I heard a rumor about (the un-named one in office) and Mexican kids, won't repeat it though because it is just a rumor.

I wonder why they put a little league field at the WH?

This org. is working on trafficking issues globally and in the US:

http://www.endhumantraffickingnow.org/

[Zodiak]

17. Thank you for posting this..I believe it is true n/t

[hiley]

37. ....

hiley

[seemslikeadream]

9. Thousands of African children 'disappear' in the UK

By Philippe Naughton, Times Online

Thousands of black African children are disappearing every year in the UK as they shuttled between distant relatives and used either for fraudulent benefit claims or as a source of child labour, child welfare campaigners said today.

The claim was made after police investigating the murder of a child whose torso was found in the River Thames four years ago said that 300 African boys had disappeared without trace from London schools in the three-month period leading up to his death.

The headless and limbless body, named Adam by police, was found in the river near Tower Bridge in September 2001. Police suspect he was the victim of a ritual killing after being brought to Britain from Nigeria.

To try to identify the body, the victim of a suspected ritualistic killing, Metropolitan Police officers asked every education authority in London how many black boys aged between four and seven had gone missing. In the three-month period between July and September 2001 - leading up to the killing - some 300 children were found to have disappeared.

more
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1610975,00.html

[nashville_brook]

15. here's the text from Bush's speech to the UN on slave trade:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030923-4.html
Bush Address to the United Nations, Sept 23, 2003


There's another humanitarian crisis spreading, yet hidden from view. Each year, an estimated 800,000 to 900,000 human beings are bought, sold or forced across the world's borders. Among them are hundreds of thousands of teenage girls, and others as young as five, who fall victim to the sex trade. This commerce in human life generates billions of dollars each year -- much of which is used to finance organized crime.

There's a special evil in the abuse and exploitation of the most innocent and vulnerable. The victims of sex trade see little of life before they see the very worst of life -- an underground of brutality and lonely fear. Those who create these victims and profit from their suffering must be severely punished. Those who patronize this industry debase themselves and deepen the misery of others. And governments that tolerate this trade are tolerating a form of slavery.

This problem has appeared in my own country, and we are working to stop it. The PROTECT Act, which I signed into law this year, makes it a crime for any person to enter the United States, or for any citizen to travel abroad, for the purpose of sex tourism involving children. The Department of Justice is actively investigating sex tour operators and patrons, who can face up to 30 years in prison. Under the Trafficking Victims Protection Act, the United States is using sanctions against governments to discourage human trafficking.

The victims of this industry also need help from members of the United Nations. And this begins with clear standards and the certainty of punishment under laws of every country. Today, some nations make it a crime to sexually abuse children abroad. Such conduct should be a crime in all nations. Governments should inform travelers of the harm this industry does, and the severe punishments that will fall on its patrons. The American government is committing $50 million to support the good work of organizations that are rescuing women and children from exploitation, and giving them shelter and medical treatment and the hope of a new life. I urge other governments to do their part.

We must show new energy in fighting back an old evil. Nearly two centuries after the abolition of the transatlantic slave trade, and more than a century after slavery was officially ended in its last strongholds, the trade in human beings for any purpose must not be allowed to thrive in our time.

All the challenges I have spoken of this morning require urgent attention and moral clarity. Helping Afghanistan and Iraq to succeed as free nations in a transformed region, cutting off the avenues of proliferation, abolishing modern forms of slavery -- these are the kinds of great tasks for which the United Nations was founded. In each case, careful discussion is needed, and also decisive action. Our good intentions will be credited only if we achieve good outcomes.

[DulceDecorum]

16. One SINGLE case in Belgium

Belgian citizens had finally had enough by mid-October, 1996. Belgians were furious not only with the mismanagement of the investigation into the missing girls, but were even more outraged when the investigative judge in the Dutroux case, Jean-Marc Connerotte, was dismissed. Many Belgians viewed Connerotte as a hero because he secured the arrest of Marc Dutroux and collected significant evidence against him that would help convict Dutroux and those in his pedophile ring. Belgium's Supreme Court removed Connerotte because he attended a fund raising dinner, which was organized to help in the search for missing children. It was later decided that his attendance at the fund raising event caused him to lose his objectivity when investigating the Dutroux case.

It was the dismissal of Connerotte and the incompetence of the police that prompted one of the largest peacetime marches in Belgium's history since World War II. In late October, more than 300,000 people dressed in white, a symbol of innocence, marched throughout the city of Brussels demanding serious reforms within the political and judicial system. Belgians were further angered at the possibility of there being a government cover-up. Confidence in the Belgian government was at a low point. Throughout Belgium, there were many who walked away from their work for the day in protest over the recent events. A car assembly plant was left vacant when its workers walked away in anger; some cities came to a stand still when train operators refused to work; and the families of the victims called for a general strike. It was time for the government to take action and make some of the necessary changes that were suggested in order to restore public order and confidence.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/dutroux/outrage_3.html?sect=2

Moloch went hungry that day.
No-one was killed.

[nashville_brook]

19. we HAVE to re-connect -- this is where god looks down (if there is one)

and says -- "so, whadda gonna do, hmmm?"
how worthy are we?

we have to find out what it is in BELGIUM that connects/activates people like this. this can be used to transcend religious dogma and put the emphasis on FAMILIES -- giving us the chance to REDEFINE FAMILY as not being just pro-birth... but pro-life in the full sense. protect the children -- has there ever been a more compelling cry?

[DulceDecorum]

28. Belgium is no great shakes either

Belgium possessed one primary foreign colony during its history: the Congo, which was given to King Leopold II in the Conference of Berlin in 1885. He made the land his private property and called it the 'Congo Free State'. In this Free State, the local population was brutalised in exchange for rubber, a growing market with the development of rubber tyres. In 1908, the international pressure against the cruelties of King Leopold II (estimates about the number of deaths range from 3 million to 22 million people, 8 million to 10 million being the estimates most often cited) became so great that he was forced to sell his property to the Belgian state as a colony for 150m Belgian francs. From then on, it became Belgian Congo, before gaining independence from Belgium in 1960.

Belgium's foreign involvement increased after the World War I when two former German colonies, Rwanda and Burundi, were mandated to Belgium by the League of Nations. Belgian policy in the administration and sociocultural development of these countries has been heavily criticised, many seeing Belgian decisions as contributing significantly to the troubles in Rwanda in the 1990s when a genocide took place, with an estimated 1 million casualties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium

Shortly after independence, the army, still led by Belgian officers, mutinied after hearing the declaration by a Belgian general that "things won't change just because of independence". The military revolt continued until President Kasavubu and Lumumba replaced the Belgian officers by Africans, which resulted in most Belgians fleeing and thus the crash of the young nation's administration. The Belgian government flew in troops to protect Belgian citizens, and Lumumba appealed for aid to the United Nations. The UN sent troops to reestablish order, which were strongly supported by the United States, which believed Lumumba to be a communist and wanted to avoid the Congo turning to the USSR by any means. At the same time the rich Katanga province declared its independence. As a military operation in August 1960 to regain a further secessionist province, Kasai, failed, Lumumba demanded that the UN move against Katanga, but when the UN reiterated to Lumumba that it was a neutral peacekeeping force and therefore could not fight against a seccessionist province, Lumumba asked the USSR for aid, which he received and utilised. This made it obvious to US President Eisenhower that the USSR was using Lumumba to establish a communist stronghold in central Africa. Eisenhower and Belgium gave the order to kill Lumumba, but an attempt with a poison toothbrush was not undertaken. Immediately after this, President Kasavubu, his rival for power, dismissed him as prime minister and he, in turn, dismissed Kasavubu as president. Shortly afterwards, Lumumba was put under house arrest by Colonel Joseph Mobutu. Lumumba escaped to join his supporters in Stanleyville but was recaptured and then flown (January, 1961), on orders from the Belgian Minister for African affairs, to his sworn enemies in Katanga. On the way he and two of his assistants were harshly tortured and shot by a Belgian-Congolese command. Their corpses were dissolved in sulfuric acid a few days later. In February, it was announced that he had been killed by angry villagers (which was not believed by many). Riots of protest took place in many parts of the world. See his Congo: My Country (1962) and Lumumba Speaks (ed. by Jean van Lierde, tr. 1972); study by T. R. Kanza (1972).

The CIA had aided Mobutu and was pleased with the outcome, having viewed the Soviet-backed Lumumba as a Communist puppet. Conversely, as Mobutu grew in power and prominence, he was accused of being an American puppet.

In recent years, the Belgian government has admitted that it also played a role in Lumumba's overthrow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo

For many years there was much speculation over the roles that western governments had played in the prime minister's murder. In 2002 both Belgium and the United States were revealed to have been partially culpable in the events. In February of 2002, the Belgian government admitted to "an irrefutable portion of responsibility in the events that led to the death of Lumumba." In July of the same year documents released by the United States government revealed that the CIA had played a role in Lumumba's assassination, aiding his opponents with money and political support, and in the case of Mobutu with weapons and military training.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Lumumba

A committee of Belgian MPs was due to start next week investigating recent claims that Mr Lumumba was killed on the orders of the Belgian government in 1961. In a separate development, Mr Lumumba's youngest son is suing the Belgian government for killing his father.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1138316.stm

But even the BELGIANS get tired of killing.
And Moloch.

[nashville_brook]

33. was it belgium, where there was the murder of a head of state on her

doorstep? or close to home? i remember something on 60 mins...

thanks for the Belgium info, btw. one of the things i love most about DU is how fast we can dig deep into a story!

[DulceDecorum]

59. Swedish politician Anna Lindh? She died on September 11, 2003.

Anna Lindh died on the early morning of September 11, 2003, following a knife attack in Stockholm on the afternoon of September 10. Just after 4 pm she was attacked while shopping at the Nordiska Kompaniet department store.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Lindh

The assassin got away.
Later they blamed some dude but I think they are thinking hard about letting him go.
Anna Lindh was the second prominent Swedish politician to be assassinated in recent decades. Prime Minister Olof Palme was shot and killed in 1986 by a (still) unidentified assailant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Lindh

Pim Fortuyn, Gannon-looking, pedophile Muslim-hater rightwingnut, was croaked somewhere shortly before elections in the Netherlands (Holland.) They say that he died in some Media Parking lot after doing an interview but the stories are VERY inconsistent and the photos are blatantly photoshopped. It's almost as bad as the Nick Berg job (Canadian paper had the video the day BEFORE Berg was "beheaded") and just a shade better than the John Adams hostage photos.
The guy who is alleged to have shot him confessed only AFTER his girlfriend and infant son were taken into custody to be Abu Ghraibed.

Here is a little something that Pim wrote before meeting his end.

The Modern Pillory
Oct 30, 1999
by Pim Fortuyn
The subject of pedophilia is all over the newspapers. Following the Doutroux affair in Belgium, the Netherlands has its own affairs, ripe and green, from murder to children's' mutual fondling.
<snip>
Meanwhile, the prime minister has seen fit to concern himself with this complex of social problems, whether of his
own urging or that of others. The focus being on pedophilia, which is the intentional sexual involvement by an adult with a child or underaged boy or girl. The law quickly has its say in these matters, and if caught, the adult perpetrator is due for a period of residence away from the scene (namely in a penitentiary).

Pedophilia is neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality, but a sui generis urge that is said to be in the genes, an urge which is little susceptible if at all to a "cure." It is part of the essence of its subject--"you are who you are." The "social context" is of little effect; sooner or later, the propensity will surface and will prove irresistible. One can no more cure it than one can cure heterosexuality or homosexuality. Accordingly, the risk of recidivism is very high. There lies the problem. During and after a period of imprisonment, the pedophile is told in strong terms that his offending behavior is wrong and that he must conform. But the offender is human just like you and me. It cannot be assured with 100 percent likelihood (with any form of treatment) that the supposedly reformed pedophile will not relapse.
<snip>

The legal philosopher and pedophile Mr. Brongersma, veteran senator in the Dutch Labor Party, has campaigned his whole life for understanding for his pedophilic countrymen. He began this campaign in fearless fashion after he himself served a prison term for taking unwelcome intimate liberties with a minor. Despite a finding that the liberties had not been entirely unwelcome by the minor in question, which from a logical and formal standpoint would have been exculpatory, the justice system marched ahead. This was in the 1950s.

In the 1960s and 1970s, Brongersma gradually rehabilitated himself. This period saw the invention of the birth control pill, sexual liberation, and acceptance of homosexuals. Why not allow pedophilic sex, under the strict proviso that the child must accept it voluntarily and willfully, with no coercion? This enlightened credo has since been abandoned, in favor of that of the hoi polloi, to the effect that a child is not a whole being but is devoid of sexual appetites, until he becomes an adult.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/001/335zlljl.asp

Like I said, European
(and American) heads of state and powerbrokers seem to have an affinity for molesting children.
And yes Mr. Rumsfeld, I AM talking about YOU.

Think about it people. Horrible videos are made of the sexual torture and deaths of these children. Many are used in bizarre rituals that are so bloody awful that if you ever found out what they were, you beg to have your memory erased.
These videos find their way onto pay-per-view websites and if you reside in British Columbia this stuff is all pretty much legal, thanks to one of their judges.
http://www.axionet.com/bcreport/web/990208f.html
Porn websites have their own version of Paypal and few are the banks that will support transactions of this nature. If the authorities REALLY wanted to rid the world of this scourge, then all they need to do is apply some heat to the handful of banks that process these credit card transactions for THE WHOLE WORLD. But noooooo. The beat goes on and our children remain unsafe in their own homes.
http://www.pollyklaas.org/missing/memorium.htm

[Megahurtz]

21. Heh heh.....

Bush says

"This problem has appeared in my own country, and we are working to stop it.
THE PROTECT ACT, which I signed into law this year, makes it a crime for a person to enter the United States, or for any citizen to travel abroad, for the purpose of sex tourism involving children."

Notice how there are no laws regarding within the United States?

The guy needs to stop covertly diverting the attention from the United States and address the problems in his own backyard:

http://www.voxfux.com/features/cia_child_sex.html

[TheWraith]

32. It's already illegal within the US.

The obvious laws, plus several which cover various permutations of inter-state trafficking and crossing state lines in commission of a felony, or for the purpose of committing a felony.

[nashville_brook]

38. wow -- i'm in the jaw dropping phase. wow.

[Coexist]

18. too sad to even think about

[Jose Diablo]

22. This is hearsay, the story I will tell

Two co-workers of mine were in Mexico at a plant that is isolated more or less. Pretty high in the mountains with a somewhat large village primarily populated with workers at the plant and various others that provide support for these workers, shop keepers, restaurant owners, that sort of thing.

One of my co-workers is also a published photographer, so he always has a camera not to far out of reach.

On the last weekend of their stay, they were wandering the streets of the village, the photographer taking pictures of the sights of the village. The villagers became very angry, confronting my co-workers and threatening with weapons like knives and clubs. As my co-workers didn't understand a word of Spanish, they were confused about what the problem was. Soon the local police arrived and hauled my co-workers off to jail and interrogation.

During the interrogation, with English translators provided, my co-workers finally understood the problem. As the photographer was taking pictures, the villagers thought they were making preparations to kidnap children, as many children had recently disappeared. It was thought that photographers were taking pictures to show to wealthy clients that would then select which children they wanted. At that time, professional kidnappers would snatch children, transport them to the wealthy and collect their fee.

After my co-workers explained who they were, where they worked, what they were doing in the village to the police, they were released to return to the compound the plant supplied for its visitors.

The world is a far different place than we really understand it to be. As this is hearsay, but it is the truth, there is a belief in many places in the world that their children are being stolen, and killed for the pleasure of the wealthy in the industrial nations.

[Megahurtz]

25. You may not want to believe it

(because the human brain typically tends to want to deny and block out that anything so heinous is even possible)

But yes, shit like this REALLY DOES HAPPEN.:(

[Moosepoop]

27. Even harder to believe

but just as true, is that is happens here, too.

[Jose Diablo]

34. This is what I think

Yes, this stuff is happening. But who is responsible?

Take for example, that Franklin story about kids being taken in, where was it, Nebraska I think. Now as the allegations of this was going on were never truly followed to the end because it seems that somehow the full import and story was politically smothered, there is indeed something very wrong going on. But what is it?

We hear about the radical Islamic clergy referring to the USA as the 'Great Santan'. And we just blow this idea off as mere rhetoric. But think about this. What IF what we suspect is indeed going on, not only in foreign places but right here in our home country. Doesn't this lend a air of truthfulness to the idea that there is indeed a 'Satan' in this world, and that 'Satan' is our very own government. Not all of it, but in certain parts great evil is being done.

But what about us? If we allow stories like the Franklin deal to be just blown away as nothing, without standing and saying, "I want the truth", doesn't this make us just as responsible as those that are doing these things because we as a people stick our heads in the sand and allow allegations like the Franklin story to be covered-up? Wouldn't this make us just as culpable, as people of the USA that refuse to become involved. Legally, if someone knows of a crime and doesn't report that crime, they become an accessory to that crime.

Think about that when we allow some bullshit rubber stamp be placed on a document to say "Top Secret".

[Senior citizen]

50. NOW you know why they want 100% of THEIR judges confirmed.

If these people are caught, their cases end up in court.

If they own their own judges, they walk.

96% of their judges were already confirmed.

In reality, what this means is that if a high-level puke is caught in broad daylight sexually molesting a small child, with hundreds of witnesses, HIS people will make sure the case goes before one of THEIR judges, who will manage to find a technicality by which it can be dismissed. Guaranteed.

If you want these people to be brought to justice, you have to have impartial judges, who will decide cases based on the law and the facts, rather than on the basis of who appointed them, who contributes to their campaign, who their friends are, and the fact that they have done similar things themselves.

Otherwise they set things up so that the judge can disregard the facts and the law, and find a technicality which "forces" the dismissal. And you have no recourse other than law, despite the fact that when it comes to high-level pukes, it doesn't seem to work the same way it does with everyone else.

These judges are appointed for LIFE. IMHO they should instead be sentenced to life imprisonment with no parole, for allying themselves with unmitigated evil.

[nashville_brook]

39. okay, this might get long -- my grandmother and her 2 sisters were

abandoned in florida in the 20s. they were like the Little Rascals. she couldn't watch the Little Rascals without a major crying episode. one sister went to a "convent." one to an orphanage -- and my grandmother was "old enough" to fend for herself. old being 12. she was drop dead gorgeous, spanish, exotic, tiny. she did what she called "housekeeping" for West Palm Beach elite until she was old enough to run away to Miami where "she made her own way on her looks and brains." i won't go into details -- there's precious few, anyway -- but she knew way too much about how children get snatched. and it makes sense given the culture she attached herself to in order to survive -- i.e. using her beauty to gain entre to the superrich.

she terrified me as a kid (i was raised by her) describing what to look out for in The Bad Men. the number one thing she told me was DON'T BE PHOTOGRAPHED. period. and, one day as luck would have it i WAS approached by a CREEPY man wanting to photograph me on the beach. i was 10. i ran in and told my grandfather. he was non-plussed. but when SHE got home -- holy shit -- i never ever saw her so freaked out.

just a narrative. doesn't mean anything, except that i *feel* the thing about photography. bad, bad! not you bad for photographing -- just that some people are threatened by it for good reason apparently. yikes.

[funflower]

41. This is probably about illegal adoption fears.

We were recently looking at the State Department website re info on travel to central America, and one concern was that people walking taking photographs of children might be perceived by locals to be preparing to kidnap them for "sale" to U.S. adoptive parents. The State Department warned that people photographing children might be the subject of exactly the kind of treatment you are describing.

Of course, if people are snatching children from central American villages, God only knows what might be done with the children other than "selling" them for adoption.

[Ian David]

26. Convince the anti-gay activists to concentrate on THIS instead

Re-direct their energies to something useful.

[shmishmina]

30. Yes

That is the truest thing posted.

[Project_Willow]

46. My theory

on the source of some virulent homophobia...

It comes from people abused as kids by members of their own sex. Their rage is misdirected through confusion and/or indoctrination in social or religious groups who purposefully blur the lines between pedophilia and homosexuality. Could exlain some of the violence.

The ironic reality: the majority of pedophiles are married hetero men.

[Ian David]

56. I think it comes from the guilt of homo-erotic childhood experimentation

Or from simply repressing their own "gay urges."

This is why the anti-gay people keep saying homosexuality is a "choice."

Because every time they see a nice piece of ass, they "choose" to be "straight."

[sam sarrha]

36. there is an open Arab Slave Market in Dakar Senigal where stolen Moorish

children can be bought for 35 to 50 dollars, it was there in 73 when i was in the PeaceCorps and i heard recently it is still open selling young children.. i heard you can buy children for about $50 there.. the anual income then was $150 a year, probably still about the same.

when i was there the Moors didnt think much of the Arabs.

[Skarbrowe]

40. This kind of stuff almost makes me believe David Ickes. n/t

[funflower]

42. Who is David Ickes?

Obviously, I'm ignorant on this topic.

[The Magistrate]

44. Mr. Ickes, Ma'am

Is a fellow who alternates between claims the world is rukled by Illuminati Freemasons, and claims these actually are alien beings of normally lizard form, able to maintain the appearance of human beings under certain conditions. He is, in effect, the gold standard of humorous references to more intricate and unverified explainations of events....

"If you don't vote for the right lizard, the wrong lizard might get in!"

[Skarbrowe]

48. Well, you know, there are good lizard people. LOL!

www.davidicke.com I think he still has a site. I read his stuff because I find it fascinating in a sci-fi kind of way. Hey, who knows what's really going on? (insert Twilight Zone theme song and/or X-Files theme song here)

[megatherium]

49. They prefer to be called "Reptillian-Americans" nt

[funflower]

53. Oh. You mean that .jpeg of Dick Cheney with green skin and a forked

tongue was REAL?

:bounce:

[megatherium]

51. Child sexual slavery is happening in India.

Girls are lured from Nepal (where the poverty is terrible) to India, or simply abducted, and forced to work as prostitutes. They work long hours every day until their health fails, which is inevitably does (80% die of AIDS). There are charities trying to help them but generally all they can do is care for the girls as they die.

As a liberal Episcopalian I would say there is no hell, but when I hear of such horrors, I begin to believe in perdition.

[CoffeeCat]

52. This stuff DOES happen. Sadly, it is true.

During my journey to heal from sexual abuse, I've participated a few support groups. Some have been online and others in real life. I've met hundreds of survivors and I've heard just as many abuse stories.

Many come to these meetings with memories of horrid ritual abuse. Many cling to teddy bears during the meetings and some can only manage to reveal a few details about their abuse. Organized, ritual abuse does happen in this country. I don't know its origin or why this is happening, but I've seen the devastation.

My therapist is a nationally known PTSD expert and we've had discussions about ritual abuse. He's mentioned that many come to him with memories that include ritual sacrifice, torture and all kinds of sexual sadism. He is active in the psychiatric and trauma-research community and he said that therapists all over the country are hearing the same stories with many similar details--about ritualistic sexual abuse.

I asked him if he thinks these memories are valid. He said his job is to help the survivor through their memories, and that he can never say for sure if something did/didn't happen. However, he said that most of these people are lucid, intelligent people who are just traumatized. They're not nuts. They're not hallucinating. They're suffering from PTSD--much in the same way a war veteran is traumatized by the horrors they experience.

I don't know what in the hell is going on in this country--but it is real.

I wish to God that our country would face the epidemic of child-sexual abuse. Study after study duplicates the same statistics: ONE IN FOUR GIRLS AND ONE IN SEVEN BOYS IS SEXUALLY MOLESTED BEFORE AGE 18. The vast majority of these crimes are perpetrated by a father, stepfather, uncle or grandfather--SOMEONE IN THE HOME! The media focuses on these stranger kidnappings and those are rare!

I've NEVER, EVER met a victim of a stranger sexual crime in my support groups. Most survivors of sexual abuse have been violated by someone in the home!

I wish to God our society would face up to this problem and get the hell out of denial! We'll never solve the problem, unless we face it. Denial only helps the perpetrators, who victimize innocent people-- who sometimes become perpetrators themselves. The cycle of abuse must be interrupted by truth and a willingness to face this epidemic.

Please, please wake up, America!

[Senior citizen]

58. protect.org is working to eliminate the "incest exception" in CA

The CA law on child molestation is very harsh--unless the molester is the child's parent, in which case they try to "preserve the family" by sending the molester to counselling and forcing the child to remain in their custody.

When I worked at Alameda Naval Air Station many years ago (it has since been closed) there was a child-molesting ring there. One man was arrested for sexually molesting his 6-month-old grandson. The person who turned him in was his own daughter. He had been molesting his two daughters all their lives and they had never turned him in. They were the type of Fristian fundies who believe that the male has the place of the Lord in the family and can do as He wishes with His female chattel. But they also are very homophobic, and when the guy's daughter caught him with the grandson, the daughter was terrified that the grandson might grow up to be gay and called the cops. The entire base was on the molester's side and so was the rest of the family, and the daughter had to leave town. The guy was convicted and went to jail, but it became clear to me what was going on there when I learned that his wife had run a day-care center and everybody at NAS Alameda loved the guy because he was so "sexually uninhibited."

This is an epidemic, but for every child who is harmed, there will be numerous adults with a vested interest in pedophilia who will testify that the child is lying or making it up, the same way that Freud lied to protect his child-molesting friends and said that the patient he knew had been molested, was imagining it. And the right-wing judges are more likely to believe their fellow pedophiles than to believe the victims--that's why the child-molesters are so adamant about getting such judges confirmed.

[Jose Diablo]

62. Are you saying that many Republicans in the Senate

are pedophiles? And the real reason over these judicial nominations confrontations is to pack the court with fellow pedophiles? Maybe some Democrats are pedophiles too.

You wrote:
"This is an epidemic, but for every child who is harmed, there will be numerous adults with a vested interest in pedophilia who will testify that the child is lying or making it up, the same way that Freud lied to protect his child-molesting friends and said that the patient he knew had been molested, was imagining it. And the right-wing judges are more likely to believe their fellow pedophiles than to believe the victims--that's why the child-molesters are so adamant about getting such judges confirmed.
"

Then IF this is the case, would it be a stretch to say the reason for the Franklin cover-up was to protect politicians high in the government? That the ones with "vested interest in pedophilia" are politically connected.

Can this be proved, in a court of law?

Maybe it is time for a large group of citizens to pay a social call to Bohemia Grove at the height of these peoples celebrations, a very large group of citizens.

[emad]

63. It all goes back to Ronald reagan who was undisputably a

pederast of astonishing pedigree and whose ignominous pedophile career while in Hollywood was systematically covered up by the CIA and the Justice Department.

Reagan was the most senior KGB officer ever to reach high public office. But he got busted when CIA black ops to ceover up his past backfired and several operatives were caught hacking into the ECHELON military computer.

The rest is a story of blackmail, counter balckmail and untold whitewash.

[Jose Diablo]

64. But can it be proved?

Is there more than just allegations?

You know this is serious. A spurious allegation without proof can damage whatever truth IS there.

[emad]

66. It has been proven and has beenconsitently raised in the UN

Security Council.

Clinton administration was briefed about this as early as 1993. Ever wonder why so much muck-raking took place before the Lewinsky debacle? Ashcroft and Cheney were personally implicated in cloak and dagger stuff to make the whole Reagan biz go underground.

The paper trail evidence lies in the downfall of BCCI. A class action of BCCI creditors vs Bank of England is currently under way in London.

Some UK evidence lies in the currently sealed files re the late Robert Maxwell. A good background book about him is:


See review at:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12419168&method=full&siteid=50143

[Jose Diablo]

67. Call me dense,

but what does a story of the death of Robert Maxwell have to do with an allegation that Reagan was a top KGB agent and widely known as a pederest? Couldn't be that widely know, because this is the first I have heard if it.

As for the BCCI, OK, but I still don't see what this has to do with allegations that Reagan was a KGB agent.

Am I missing an important clue someplace in the records you are supplying? And now Ashcroft and Cheney are implicated in cloak and dagger stuff to make the Reagan being a KGB agent stuff 'disappear'?

What cloak and dagger stuff?

Don't misunderstand me, I despised Reagan, but presenting an allegation that he was a KGB agent without substantiating that claim, does little good for children being sold into sex slavery.

[emad]

68. Maxwell laundered funds that the CIA used in black ops to

whitewash over Reagan's pederast history in the run up to the 1980 WH elections.

He spied for Mossad which was directly under the control of the Stasi's Marcus Wolf.
Maxwell was involved in laundering Soviet opium crops money via the London branch of Banco de Spirito Santo through a bank network involving Dubai, Liechtenstein, London and Miami.

The lynchpin in these ops was the late Edward von Kloberg, who conveniently committed suicide about ten days ago in Italy.
>
>Kloberg was a Maxwell lynchpin in the money trail in the US.
>He used a network of financial contacts to deposit sums that
>Maxwell generated. He was also a close personal contact of
>James R Bath who sat on the board of ICIC - the International
>Credit and Investment orporation registered in the Carribean -
>the parent company of BCCI Holdings. Also on that board was
>Richard McGarrach Helms and Maxwell himself.
>
>The London branch of Spirito Santo was also being used to
>deposit ransom money linked to members of the Children of God
>pedophile cult in Hampstead, North London which was using
>minors as couriers for foreign currency smuggling. Kids were
>posing as bona fide tourists going on vacation with their
>"families" to places like Florida and carrying medium to large
>amounts of ££££s which would then end up in CIA-controlled
>black ops designed to wipe out anyone threatening to expose
>Raygun's pedophile activities prior to his governorship of
>California.
>
>In the run up to the 1980 elections the blackmail threats to
>Reagan were rife.
>
>That in turn relates to his active membership of Hollywood sex
>ring in the 50s and 60s that thrived with full knowledge of
>the CIA who were unable to bring any action because it was
>considered too radical to pull in all those glam stars.

KGB ran BCCI in the same way they ran Banco Ambrosiano.

Key repulican figures like Ashcroft (who acted for Nancy Reagan when she was successfully sued in a 1983 NYC defamation lawsuit) and Cheney have been instrumental in gagging all US inteligence/security files re Reagan's membership of peredast cults.

The UK holds loads of security/inteligence dossiers on this that are bound up in the Maxwell files.

[Jose Diablo]

70. Interesting

But all the proof is tied-up and out of reach as long as the documentation that would substantiate these claims is stamped "Top Secret", a state secret label on the 'Maxwell files'.

Thus, as long as files are secret, then the claims remain unsubstantiated. It could be some other way too, as seeing how this can not be proved because the documentation is locked away, then what is in the documentation could be something different than is claimed here.

Or all this could be the rantings of some 'conspiracy theorist' running too close to the edge or maybe a little over. See how this works?

Again, prove it.

[emad]

72. Don't need to prove it personally. This has already been done

in the UN Security Council, in lawsuit hearings against both Nancy Reagan and Ronald (which they lost), and before the Joint Intelligence Defence Committee hearings in the British Parliament.

But specifically, the financial paper trail of Reagan's KGB role is about to be laid out in the BCCI class action in London.

The suit has been brought by the former creditors of BCCI who are suing the Bank of England for misfeasance - ie gross negligence/criminal culpability.

BCCI was run by the KGB to finance terrorism, espionage, vice, drug and arms running, corruption, money laundering and related criminal activities.

The opening arguments of the prosecution and defence are still being aired in London and the actual material evidence will then follow in open court.

It has taken some 14 years to achieve this suit and it involved countless appeals to the House of Lords on the admissability of security/intelligence files which both John Major and Tony Blair had consistently argued were prejudicial to national security. But the Lords disagreed and said they were only potentially prejudicial to the reputations of senior UK and US politicians including Reagan, Bush1, Thatcher, Major and Blair.

OTHER specific evidence against Ronald Reagan's KGB career is contained in court documents relating to various former KGB officers convicted in the UK of terrorist offences in the 1970s and 80s, and in particular, the evidence relating to Maxwell's nephew DAVID FREEMAN, currently serving eight life sentences for the rape and murder of children in the UK, three London bombings attributed to the IRA, the importing of nuclear devices meant to blow up public buildings and the running of the Children of God pedophile brothel in North London.

David Freeman is Cherie Blair's brother.

He has been locked in a secure mental unit in the UK (Broadmoor) after murdering two warders while on remand for the sex offences he was convicted for in 1995.

Forensic evidence linked him to a spate of criminal activity which Thatcher had insisted in public was the work of the IRA.

The DNA evidence showed he was Maxwell's son.

Other DNA evidence showed conclusively that maxwell was Ronald Reagan's nephew.

The money trail presented in court that convicted him of fraud, embezzlement, corruption, money laundering and the suborning of UK juries in previous attenpts to convict him proved he was part of the same funding trail that was paying off CIA black ops that financed the whitewashing of Reagan's pederast past in 1980 that made him electable to the WH that year.

OTHER evidence re Reagan's KGB role is classified under the UK Official Secrets Act and relates to his relationship to the House of Windsor. These files are locked during the lifetime of "Queen Elizabeth II".



EDIT:
ADDENDUM: Re Ashcroft/Nancy Reagan:


In 1982 Ashcroft acted as defence attorney for Nancy Reagan when she
was sued in a NYC 1982 civil lawsuit by members of the Truman family. They alleged criminal harrassment, defamation, physical assault, destruction of property and libel.

Their suit said she lied to the US Justice Department about Ronald Reagan's predatory activities as a pederast in a judicial enquiry started before they were married. And that she knew which other members of the Hollywood sex ring was also part of a conspiracy to cover up child sex abuse crimes relating to Reagan, and exactly who bankrolled the whitewash of CIA investigations in the 1960s. Also alleged was that CIA double agents in the pay of Moscow were chosen to conduct the original probes which were then systematically stonewalled over by the Justice Department.

The Trumans won their suit and collected substantial damages from Nancy.

The primary evidence against both Ron and Nancy was submitted by General John Merryman, a former US Army military intelligence chief who conducted major investigations into post-World War II activities by exiled Nazis who were being bankrolled by European cocaine and heroin cartels.

Merryman was a veteran of the Warren commission into the assassination of JFK. His son Richard Merryman was the last journalist to interview Marilyn Monroe (either Times magazine or Variety - can't remember which) and who was himself assassinated some years later in a sabotaged airplane flight. His father was custodian Monroe interview tape which ran on after Merryman finished taking shorthand notes of the interview.

Merryman told the judge in the NYC suit that "Ronald Reagan" was a UK/USSR double agent called Freeman and an active member of a child sex ring run by drug barons. And that he colluded with members of the Gelli family into perverting the course of justice to cover up the criminal records of former Hollywood colleagues when he was Governor of California.

Merryman said that Reagan had a son in the UK called Leslie Freeman. And that Freeman is the ID theft of a cold war Stasi plant who has called himself "John Major" - ex-UK Prime Minister, current director of the US's Carlyle Group (of which Bush1 was a director until recently) and now a Knight of the Order of the Garter.

From memory, General Merryman was a former Rhodes scholar at Oxford University and a world authority on the collusion of criminal gangs who acted as catalysts for the Catholic Church's moneylaundering and bankrolling of the Nazis in the 1930s onwards.

He was highly decorated for his services and twice received the Congressional Medal of Honor as well as the Victoria Cross from the Brits. His 1995 funeral in Maryland was attended by the Clintons.

The press ran a week long eulogy to him entitled "The Collosus of Rhodes" - not least because of his physical stature: he was nearly 6ft 8ins tall.

EDIT end.

[lovuian]

54. This is Oliver Twist with a even more horrible ending!!!

These poor children and nobody cares!!!

[Senior citizen]

65. Many people care.

But we don't have our hand-picked judges automatically confirmed for life. We don't have a majority in the Supreme Court or Congress. We don't have anyone in the White House. We don't own the mainstream media. And despite Barbara Boxer's efforts, John Bolton is probably going to be "our" representative at the U.N. Thanks to EarlG, Skinner, and Elad, we aren't silenced completely, but we have no real political power. Still, we care. We care deeply because many of us have kids and grandkids. And because as Americans, we were brought up to despise anyone who picks on somebody smaller than them.