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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:29 PM
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Karzai angry at US Afghan 'abuse'
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has condemned as unacceptable new details of alleged abuse of prisoners by US troops in Afghanistan. The president's spokesman told the BBC the soldiers involved in the deaths of two inmates and alleged abuse of others should be punished.

The allegations are detailed by the New York Times citing a 2,000-page document leaked from a US army investigation. They come at a sensitive time as Mr Karzai flies to the US on Saturday. Correspondents say his four-day trip could also be overshadowed by last week's violent anti-US protests in Afghanistan following allegations in Newsweek magazine - now retracted - that US guards at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, had desecrated the Koran.

Mr Karzai, a US ally who came to power following the collapse of the Taleban regime in late 2001, has recently spoken of "US military mistakes".
Officials in Washington said the alleged abuses detailed in the New York Times were being investigated and those responsible would be held to account.
Seven US servicemen have already been charged in relation to the two deaths at Bagram military base, north of Kabul, in 2002. The new allegations relate to the level of abuse the two prisoners are said to have been subjected to.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4568031.stm
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:31 PM
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1. He'd better be careful - they made him...
...and they could break him just as quickly.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:43 PM
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2. I'm so embarrassed by this administration. It's overwhelmingly bad and
... evil.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:53 PM
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6. Not if he's wearing the cool batman cape. . .
and the '60s stewardess cap he wore during his first trip here. Everyone was so taken with him then, especially the faux fashion mavens like Tweety. . . they'll protect him.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:00 PM
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7. Yeah, it'd be a shame if his US-issued bodyguards
called in sick one day. A real shame.

-as
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:44 PM
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3. We even alienate our puppets.
Uniter indeed!
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:46 PM
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4. Its so frightening if you just sit back and take stock of the last 4 years
Murdering people in custody is just one of the disgraces.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:48 PM
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5. Oh Dear...what's THIS uprising all about? What game is BFEE, of which
Karzai is a card-carrying member, playing now?
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:10 PM
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8. Hamid needs to realize
that Afghanistan is sooooo 2002. The murkin sheeple have probably forgotten we ever went there.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:29 PM
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15. Yep - they're all like "AfghaniWHERE?"
NT!

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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:11 PM
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9. Wolf is supposed to interview him on his show tomorrow.
Think he will dare bring this up?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:18 PM
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11. Wolf does what the WH wants him to do....n/t
Ignore CNN!
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:12 PM
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10. Anyone see the documentary "Afghan Massacre: Convoy Of Death"?
If the allegations in that documentary are true, that U.S. Special Forces were present as supervisors when hundreds of Afghan prisoners were murdered by Northern Alliance soldiers in the desert, then that would be far worse than abuse at Guantanamo or at Bagram. What ever happened to the investigation? What ever happened to the outrage? Has Karzai ever even called for an investigation?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:22 PM
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12. You can view it right here;
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:26 PM
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14. Why do they hate us...oh why???
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:45 PM
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16. Never forget
this outrageous act overviewed by the US military. It is on the list of why Mideastern people hate us.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:24 PM
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13. Karzai running off leash?
Uh oh, Hamid; you starting to think that just because you're the president that you run things around there?
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:49 PM
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17. Oh my gosh and golly, Hami has veered off the mantra...
please to repeat..."We are so grateful to America and its glorius leaders for.."....damn, there he goes again spouting off that U.S. military mistake shit. Hey Chalabi...ooops, I mean Karzai...PLEASE TO REPEAT AFTER ME...
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:36 PM
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18. BBC (early Saturday): Karzai angry at US Afghan 'abuse'
From the BBC Online
Dated Saturday May 21 02:13 GMT (Friday 7:13 pm PDT)

Karzai angry at US Afghan 'abuse'

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has condemned as unacceptable new details of alleged abuse of prisoners by US troops in Afghanistan.

The president's spokesman told the BBC the soldiers involved in the deaths of two inmates and alleged abuse of others should be punished.

The allegations are detailed by the New York Times citing a 2,000-page document leaked from a US army investigation.

They come at a sensitive time as Mr Karzai flies to the US on Saturday.

Read more.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:36 PM
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19. Good for him but he is barking up the wrong bush if he wants change.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:36 PM
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20. Oooo, Hamid is upset with the US!
Well, maybe Shrub will find out he really doesn't control the world!
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:10 PM
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21. Bush must hate it when he loses the moral high ground.
He probably would have pressured Hamid Karzai about Afghani opium production during his visit. Instead Bush has to deal with this appalling matter. Mind you I don't think Bush ever held the moral high ground, so it serves him right.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 06:21 AM
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24. oh PULEASE!
He will still say and do whatever Washington wants him to do. He is a US puppet through and through. This is purely for the sake of appearance.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 03:49 AM
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22. "What's" with the "abuse" shit???
Karzai angry at US Afghan alleged abuse

Gee. That wasn't difficult to do at all.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 04:35 AM
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23. Maybe he should request political asylum
while he is in the US.

What an unholy mess this administration has made of everything. Just one statistic says it all - child malnutrition worse now than during the Taliban. (And no - I do NOT want to see the Taliban back.)
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