White House Wants Search Limits Overturned

[deminks]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050527/ap_on_go_pr_wh/secret_searches

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration asked a federal appeals court Friday to restore its ability to compel Internet service providers to turn over information about their customers or subscribers as part of its fight against terrorism.

The legal filing with the 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in New York comes amid a debate in Congress over renewal of the Patriot Act and whether to expand the FBI's power to seek records without the approval of a judge or grand jury.

U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero of New York last year blocked the government from conducting secret searches of communications records, saying the law that authorized them wrongly barred legal challenges and imposed a gag order on affected businesses.

The ruling came in a lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union and an Internet access firm that received a national security letter from the FBI demanding records. The identity of the firm remains secret.

[havocmom]

1. They are afraid of us getting and repeating the truth

and they want it stopped.

[Gman]

6. Well said

[Dr Fate]

2. How about "searching" for Bin Laden or the WMDs instead of my e-mails

Stay out my bidness you FUCK.

[bemildred]

3. Yeah, screw the Constitution, screw the people, we want to arrest people.

:puke:

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

4. The fight against terroriam is their catchall excuse.

both for abuse of power and incompetence on their part

[Amonester]

7. Yeah... Why would they really fight the terra-heestee?

Why would the criminal PNACers "in chief" really want to 'defeat' those who allow them to rob billions and get fancy millions in the form of bonuses????

BTW, where's OBL??? In jail with Saddam?

:banghead:

[shadowknows69]

24. well clearly

he's in america talking in a chatroom somewhere

[bahrbearian]

13. 9-11 Changed everthing or was it ignoring the 8-8-01 PDB

I can't remember

[SpiralHawk]

5. "Then we took all them there free thinkers away to the camps."

-- Excerpted from "The Lamentations of Commander Cuckoo Bananas"

[Solly Mack]

8. Of course the little tramp wants that restored

fuck him,his cabinet, and his supporters...and fuck those in Congress who gave in to him in the first place

[librechik]

28. yah, hand over the info--unless it's Shrub's info!

that stays in the lockbox.

[Roland99]

9. An attempt to scuttle truth-seeking bloggers?

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

10. How come I've lately noticed the anti-cookie privacy alert icon

pops up when I'm looking at threads that deal with things like 9/11 stuff and GOP pedophilia threads? ( I have the ad-aware version that you pay for to be in real time) It's seems the more sensational the site, the more predictable that one of these warnings will be thrown up by my anti-spyware program. Do they just want to know who knows what they don't want known? Anyone else notice what I'm talking about? Are DUer's going to have first position in the cattle cars because of what they know?

[Horse with no Name]

14. I've noticed it too

Thanks for asking--I was just thinking I was paranoid,lol.

[Roland99]

11. My (brief) career as an ISP

October 10, 2003, 4:00 AM PT
http://news.com.com/2010-7355-5089267.html

It's no joke. A letter the FBI sent on Sept. 19 ordered me to "preserve all records and other evidence" relating to my interviews of Adrian Lamo, the so-called homeless hacker, who's facing two criminal charges related to an alleged intrusion into The New York Times' computers.

There are a number of problems with this remarkable demand, most of which I'll get to in a moment, but the biggest is the silliest. FBI Supervisory Special Agent Howard Leadbetter II used the two-page letter to inform me that under Section 2703(f) of the Electronic Communication Transactional Records Act, I must "preserve these items for a period of 90 days" in anticipation of a subpoena. So far I haven't received such a subpoena, which would invoke a lesser-known section of the USA Patriot Act.

Leadbetter needs to be thwacked with a legal clue stick. The law he's talking about applies only to Internet service providers, not reporters. Section 2703(f) says in its entirety: "A provider of wire or electronic communication services or a remote computing service, upon the request of a governmental entity, shall take all necessary steps to preserve records and other evidence in its possession pending the issuance of a court order or other process."

Last I checked, electronically filing this column to my editors does not make me a provider of "electronic communication services." Nor does tapping text messages into my cell phone transform me into a "remote computing service," as much as I may feel like one sometimes.

[rodeodance]

12. the WH wants, wants wants wants wants wants wants ect.ect

[sintax]

15. Authoritarian and Dominion-Nation

"That we are being propelled in the direction of Brave New World is obvious. But no less obvious is the fact that we can, if we so desire, refuse to co-operate with the blind forces that are propelling us.

For the moment, however, the wish to resist does not seem to be very strong or very widespread."

-- Aldous Huxley

[anitar1]

22. My wish to resist is very strong. Also my desire to refuse

to co-operate is equally strong. I do not wish to live in a * world existence. I have known this was coming for many years.

[snot]

16. 'Net = last bastion of free speech & must be protected - kick

[UpInArms]

17. US PATRIOT ACT is un-Constitutional

and any elected representative that does not oppose it fails to uphold their oath of office (to support the Constitution)

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[anitar1]

18. Actually , this came a bit sooner than I expected.

They must be frothing at the mouth to shut us up. Very dangerous for real news to be out there. I am always aware of someone looking over our shoulder. Piss on 'em.It will take a long time to shut everyone up.

[Rainscents]

19. WH Wants Search Limits Overturned

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050527/ap_on_go_pr_wh/secret_searches&printer=1


Yahoo! News
White House Wants Search Limits Overturned

By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press WriterFri May 27, 7:55 PM ET

The Bush administration asked a federal appeals court Friday to restore its ability to compel Internet service providers to turn over information about their customers or subscribers as part of its fight against terrorism.

The legal filing with the 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in New York comes amid a debate in Congress over renewal of the Patriot Act and whether to expand the FBI's power to seek records without the approval of a judge or grand jury.


These baster wants take all our privacy permanently and they'll stop at nothing until they get what they want.
:grr:

[coloradodem2005]

20. You know who I get mad at most over this?

The so-called Libertarians, whom it seems there is nothing truly libertarian about them. Just a bunch of free market goons.

[Mr_Spock]

21. They seem to be terrorists themselves - why are they terrorizing us?

Bush said we weren't going to let a small band of thugs (terrorists) change our way of life - what happened? Apparently Bush is working in concert with the terrorists to make sure our live are ruined by a small band of wealthy Saudi's. Good work Mr. President :eyes:

[shance]

23. Here we go again. "In the name of TERRORISM"

Every excuse they make to invade and illegally violate people's lives is in the name of *terrorism*.

Of course, its more accurately 'in the name' of trying to target and intimidate those of us who oppose the Bush Administration.

[radfringe]

25. except if a repug's record is being searched

then it's a violation of the constitution, executive privilege or a matter of national security

[TexasLawyer]

26. People are saying bad things about the President!

And they're doing it while we are at war!!! A permanent war against a sly and amorphous enemy!!! We need to know which enemies of America are saying these negative things about der fuhrer, and we need to "quiet" them for the duration of this war.

Since this is an endless war, that means the enemies of the state must be quieted permanently. Who will we be shutting down and shutting up? How will we do it?

Just trust us. We are your (chuckle, wink, wink) democratically elected government.

[Endangered Specie]

27. why not? Ceaser can do NO wrong!

:sarcasm: