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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 03:23 AM
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Amnesty International report on Guantanamo is criticized
May 27, 2005, 10:11PM

Amnesty International report on Guantanamo is criticized
U.S. general says characterization is 'exaggerated'
By CAROL ROSENBERG
Knight Ridder Tribune News

NEW YORK - Calling it "a shrill assessment," Army Gen. Bantz Craddock on Friday rejected Amnesty International's characterization of the Guantanamo Bay prison camp as a "gulag."

Craddock lamented criticism of the Pentagon's premier prison for terror suspects in his first on-the-record U.S. news conference since taking charge of U.S. military activities in Latin America and the Caribbean six months ago.

He bristled at the language the human rights group used in its third annual and harshest rebuke of the U.S. detention camp, which holds about 520 terror suspects.

"That's unfortunate. I don't think that's the case," he said. "I think that's a shrill assessment; they probably exaggerated for emphasis. ... I think that's an uninformed view."
(snip/...)

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/headline/world/3201645



General Bantz Craddock
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 03:37 AM
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1. "Bantz Craddock?!?!?"
Wasn't Colonel "Bat" Guano available?

Or General Jack D. Ripper?

:silly:

http://www.cinema.com/films/3781/dr_strangelove/cast.phtml

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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 03:57 AM
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2. Typical...
He can't refute the evidence so he attacks the supposed tone that it is delivered in. "I don't think that's the case... they probably exaggerated." Either he knows squat about the situation in Guatanemo or he didn't bother to read the report. Probably both. Get back to us when you can make definitive statements Crads.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 08:25 AM
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10. Amnesty International asked to see Guantanamo for themselves....
but were denied several times. Now, they can be called "uninformed" because they've never been there!
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 04:05 AM
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3. Amnesty International
is turning up the heat on bushie so you can expect many more attempts to discredit the organization - thats how they work - a la newsweek, Dan Rather, etc.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 04:39 AM
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5. Hard to think when your sitting under the Cross.
----
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sweettater Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 04:13 AM
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4. well, excuse me, sir
Edited on Sat May-28-05 04:17 AM by sweettater
you don't THINK that is the case? Why in the hell don't you KNOW that is the case. I sit here in awe at the stupidity of supposedly the most powerful military on the planet. There has got to be a disconnect somewhere.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 05:56 AM
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6. How about conforming to Human Rights and the Geneve Convention
Isn't Guantanamo a scandal, because those basic rights are being ignored? Aren't they POWs? Isn't torture forbidden?

The uninformed view is that general does not want to admit that he is violating the US Constitution which the general swore to uphold against any enemy foreign and DOMESTIC.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 08:51 AM
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14. Didn't Cuckoobananas ...
...and cabal, decide the prisoners at GITMO were not POW's and therefore the "quaint" Geneva Convention did NOT apply? Made me ill at the time and I've grown sicker with each revelation ...
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 06:07 AM
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7. ah, he's that little guy always crammed up Rummy's ass, eh?
Edited on Sat May-28-05 06:08 AM by thebigidea
his pet general, always in the background...

As if anyone gave a shit what he thought about anything. As if he'd criticize his boss.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 07:48 AM
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8. His real name
was Renfield :evilgrin:
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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 08:14 AM
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9. I think...probably...I think
Here's a guy who's really sure of himself.

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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 08:32 AM
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11. Shrill? Oh, my, we'll watch our tone...you just
get back to your torture, k?

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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 08:32 AM
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12. Craddock lamented criticism of the Pentagon's premier prison for terror...
The Pentagon's premier prison for terror suspects????

What is this? Fucking advertising copy?

Day-um! I gots to book me and Mable a room down thar in the Caribbean!

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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 08:42 AM
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13. Since you can expect anyone speaking on
behalf of the BFEE to say the exact opposite of what they are really thinking, here's a rough translation of Craddock's actual thoughts with what he left out in parentheses.

"That's unfortunate, (that Amnesty International has the goods on us.) I don't think that's the case. (In fact I know that's the case.)
I think that's a shrill assessment (Gee, I hope somebody's buying this bs. That was a flat out lie.) They probably exaggerated for emphasis. (If anything, they don't know the half of it.) I think that's an uninformed view. (The reality is worse than anything they could imagine...How'd I do Rummy?)"
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 08:55 AM
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15. Revolution in Political and Military Affairs/RPMA ("fictional" doctrine)
Our officer corps became increasingly politicized during the late 20th century and militarism is part of PNAC.

In the fall of 1996 this USAF/INSS Occasional Paper, a study of the efficacy of US military coup written as a futuristic address, came out.

Read this slowly and think about the Rumsfeld/Myers DoD. Think about the Douglas Feith special Offices in the Pentagon. Note the barely contained hatred for President Clinton in the opening paragraphs of the RPMA/Revolution in Political and Military Affairs from the USAF/INSS.

I'd bet General Craddock read it. It won awards from the Pentagon after publication.

RPMA
http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/coup.htm
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 11:36 AM
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16. Bantz Craddock - Commander of the "Southern Command"
Edited on Sat May-28-05 11:37 AM by Coastie for Truth
That is the command that is going into Venezuela to "protect our oil fields."
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:27 PM
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17. they'd better be running scared
they have violated so many of the moral and ethical values of all cross-cultural norms that they can never redeem themselves. Their only avenue of escape is to the face the music and take their punishment. The world knows, America knows, how can they, think lies will change reality. They are delusional. Their personal assets should be seized and they should be imprisoned or thrown out of the country.
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