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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:23 AM
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Republicans Fret Over Bush's Political Standing An AP News Analysis
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGB2CT75Z9E.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - Fearing that President Bush's political problems may become their own, Republicans in Congress and elsewhere are beginning to yearn for the good old days of seven months ago, when he had somebody to run against.


Voters were worried in November about the economy and the war in Iraq, but they didn't take it out on the incumbent on Election Day. They are now. snip

On Election Day, a majority of voters were concerned about the war in Iraq but also said it was part of the war on terrorism. They had to make a choice between Bush and Kerry while weighing the question of who would keep them safer.

Now, with the death toll in Iraq pushed above 1,700, more than double the number of a year ago, it's no longer a choice between Bush and Kerry.

It's Bush's war. Period.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:25 AM
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1. May I say: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:26 AM
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2. Break out the violins....
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 02:27 AM by deadparrot
:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:32 AM
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3. Yeah man!
Long time comin'

Anyone up for paper ballots next time around?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:42 AM
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4. Quote: "but they didn't take it out on the incumbent"
Like HELL they didn't!!!

The First 4 years of * turned alot of his supporters against him;
I bet that EVERY DUer knows at least ONE person who voted for * in 2000 but voted for someone else in 2004.

(I personally know of ONE for certain, and a few others who either wavered or didn't vote at all.)

But the "OFFICIAL NUMBERS" from the 2004 results can only be true if:
Over 2 MILLION folks who voted for GORE in 2000 voted for * in '04!

So, where are these multitudinous CONVERTS?
Have ANY of you ever met one, a GORE voter who became a * voter?

I certainly haven't met one, nor has anyone I know.

DIEBOLD: When it absolutely, POSITIVELY has to be STOLEN overnight!

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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:08 AM
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8. 3 people i know who voted for b* voted for kerry.
none the other way around!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:51 AM
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9. And MILLIONS of us have the same story to tell! NONE THE OTHER WAY!
MILLIONS of us know some "* in 00" voters who went for Kerry in '04...

But NO ONE has ever mentioned a Gore'00 voter who went for * in '04!!!

If the numbers are TRUE, there should be 2 or 3 MILLION of them!
That's one out of every hundred people!

So WHERE ARE THEY? WHERE ARE THEY HIDING?
GEE, they should be the MOST visible group...
Shouting their *-love from the rooftops, and trying to CONVERT all their friends who voted for Gore in 2000...

But, somehow, no one has ever met one!
It's almost like they don't exist at all!

Hey, my life is strange and interesting;
I have met people who met every description I ever imagined...and a few I never DREAMED of!
(My current #1 in the "Never Dreamed Of" category:
I once spent an evening talking to a Gay Republican Buddhist Machine-Gun Collector named Steve!)

But I have yet to meet a SINGLE Gore-Supporter who voted for * in '04.
Gee, maybe I should begin to suspect that THERE WEREN'T ANY?

Well, DUH!

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:05 AM
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17. Those people exist only as electronic pulses in electronic voting.....
...machines. They surfaced as the votes were tabulated, and then disappeared back into the electronic voting machine software.

If we don't get control of those machines before the next election, we're going to meet those same electronic pulses again.
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nine30 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:58 AM
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28. I know one who switched for the worse
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 09:03 AM by nine30
My brother's mother in law from SmallTown, PA, voted for Gore in '00, and then for * in '04. The father in law voted twice for *. He is a retired 5th grade teacher, and thats what perplexes me ! How can someone like him be a Repuke !?! And she is not a security mom either, because their only daughter (brother's wife) just finished Med School who (thankfully) is a hard core Dem. Go figure.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:51 AM
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38. I met one while campaigning door to door.
She was voting Democratic in every other race, but she said the war was Bush's mess and she felt he ought to clean it up.

So, basically she voted for Bush to punish him. Considering all that's been happening lately, maybe she was right? :shrug:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:37 PM
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47. If he gets impeached.........
I'll consider it payback for stealing the election. If he had been smart, he'd have ordered Rove to fix the votes for Kerry, allowing him to slink away to his Crawford hellhole.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:46 AM
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5. His war, his lies, his catastrophic failure...HIS RESPONSIBILITY.
The Commander-in-Chief is going down and he's taking all his Rethug buddies with him. It couldn't happen to a nicer (cough) bunch.



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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:12 PM
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44. Funny to hear him complaining about "obstructionists"
"His war, his lies, his catastrophic failure...HIS RESPONSIBILITY."

If the loyal opposition had actually managed to keep Bush from getting everything he wanted, we wouldn't be quagmired in Bush's War.

Hello? Gored, unitered-not-dividered, 9-11, Osama dead-or-alive Afghanistan, Osama bin Forgotten, Shock and Awe, and this is so great, how about FOUR MORE YEARS!

PS - Also 4 more years of hiding Papa Bush's papers.

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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:08 AM
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57. Did you notice
During the press conference with Blair, Bush mentioned that it was Saddam's fault for the invasion? That it was Saddam's doing - not his?

Bush NEVER takes responsibility, never admits a single error or mistake.....
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:47 AM
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6. Beautiful way to start the day
;) I love the way that sounds "Republicans Fret" just delicious
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:08 AM
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7. Boo freaking hoo hoo...
Hey Rogue valley, Ak is in the house! Anyway, to the subject. I really hope that this politicians get into some serious heat over their confidence, votes of faith in Bush...Bush is a waste of time, albeit about 49 % of us didn't thik so at the polls last novemeber. It seems that people are waking up all over the place, and i hope more wake up...it makes me feel like i'm in Matrix...watching people see, for the first time, what really happened, and why....
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:56 AM
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10. Read My Lips, Repukes.............
Tough shit!

Left of Cool
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 04:08 AM
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11. poppy bush went up against this in '92
there was a large anti-incumbent mood in America. we saw it again (albiet a bit smaller) with Gingrich and his Contract on America

now the mood is growing again -- the question is will it continue to grow or sputter out before mid-term elections on Nov. 7, 2006?

Although the economy is a big issue - I think what will feed the "mood" is Iraq. People are aware that no WMDs have been found, that invading Iraq was based on a lie and there is no exit plan other than slapping a happy face on the news spin.

Over 1700 US dead - how much more blood must be spilled before we are able and willing to throw these lying repugs out?
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vlad Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 04:27 AM
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12. anyone notice..
that they're hiding /covering up their shrub bumper stickers w/ any kind of ribbon magnet they can find?
yesterday, I saw 11 magnets on one bumper. I guess the stickers don't come off so easily.???
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:16 AM
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13. Except Blackwell and Noe stole the election....
Why even bother Bush, the world can see right through you! :eyes: :eyes:

Get out of here, take your fascist face off the block and prepare for justice.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:27 AM
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14. I still think people who voted for the chimp were idiots.
Just my personal opinion. I can only hope this really does damage the Repugs.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 07:57 AM
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15. i'm lovin it
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:02 AM
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16. We are living in strange times
We've never in the history of this country have been facing the coruption that the repukes have brought down on this world/country. The fix the election again, and wonder why no one likes what they are continuing to do. I think plenty of people woke up, but that they are so afraid to give up power they are going to bring us to complete ruin. If we aren't all ready there.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:10 AM
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18. Well the mid-terms are a long way off, let alone the next presidential
race, and people have a way of only remembering the last six months when it comes to politics, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:51 AM
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27. Bush's numbers are about where they were a year ago
(Or, how do you say, "a boot"?) I don't think we have any reason to celebrate. The propaganda outlets are keeping the horror that is is conservatism alive and well. Look at how abortion rights and the environment are still under attack. Do you see anybody calling for defense cuts? "Welfare Queen" stereotypes are still the fashion of the day. F**k this country.

Sorry about the gratuitous language joke...and welcome to our message board! :party:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:14 AM
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19. I sometimes think that actually winning the 04 election would have
been fatal to the Dem party. 4 yrs of running this war with the right-wing pundits all but lighting themselves on fire with each death or wounding in Iraq or Afghanistan would've destroyed us for years.

The best thing Bush ever did was set the precedent of the new guy coming in and obliterating the policies of his predecessor, so we can do the same to his bullshit.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:32 AM
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56. i like your perspective...
especially the second paragraph,

"The best thing Bush ever did was set the precedent of the new guy coming in and obliterating the policies of his predecessor, so we can do the same to his bullshit."

Exactly!
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:44 AM
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20. Newsview: Bush's Problems Has GOP Worried
<<SNIP>>
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BUSH_VS_BUSH?SITE=PAPHQ&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-06-15-05-40-02

Newsview: Bush's Problems Has GOP Worried

By RON FOURNIER
AP Political Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Fearing that President Bush's political problems may become their own, Republicans in Congress and elsewhere are beginning to yearn for the good old days of seven months ago, when he had somebody to run against.

Voters were worried in November about the economy and the war in Iraq, but they didn't take it out on the incumbent on Election Day. They are now.

Bush's poll ratings are among the worst since he took office, declining in virtually every category since his win over Democratic Sen. John Kerry. From his handling of the economy, foreign policy and the war in Iraq to his job approval rating and voters' assessment of the country's direction, the president's political scores are in serious decline.

One reason is that voters are no longer judging him in comparison to Kerry. Bush, like other second-term presidents, is facing the prospect of lame-duck status. He's up against his own record, in a sense, and that's never an easy task.

<</SNIP>>
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:44 AM
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21. Do media outlets employ proofreaders anymore?
That's terrible!
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:51 AM
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26. Is our children learning?
BTW, the preferred usage is "any more"... :evilgrin:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:01 AM
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30. Well :-P on you!
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=anymore&x=0&y=0

Although both anymore and any more are found in written use, in the 20th century anymore is the more common styling.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:13 AM
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31. Pfui!
This is the 21st century, a more civilized time. I'll bet you say "comprised of", too!

C'mon, put 'em up! I love a good usage scrap!

(Just kidding.)
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:22 AM
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32. LOL
Yeah I'm a "grammar Nazi" (hate the term) but I screw things up myself more than occasionally! "Comprised of," eh? See, that's a new one for me!
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #32
33. You just found yerself in a comprising position, huh?
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:49 PM
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50. It gets worse...
Google "comprising of"... it's tragic. It even appears on GRAMMAR sites. Oddly enough, it seems to be in vogue in Britain, proving once again that the sun has permanently set on that particular empire.

I'm a bit of a grammar commie myself (that's a much better term--especially if you call yrself trotsky 8-)). "Comprised of" is a guaranteed rant from this quarter.

Also, anyone using the term "prioritize" within earshot of me will sleep with the fishes... :evilgrin:
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:44 AM
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22. They needn't worry; it's nothing that Diebold and the touch-screen...
'voting' machines can't handle.

Lori Price
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #22
23. But the VVPB is on its way....
The end is nigh....http://www.votersunite.org
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:50 AM
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24. What's bad news for them
is good news for us!:toast:
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mctrotter5 Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:51 AM
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25. Perhaps the dropping poll numbers are the result of Americans
waking up to the dying of democracy.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:12 PM
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43. What....Americans can READ??? The TV Stenographers are shocked!!
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 12:12 PM by Supersedeas
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:00 AM
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29. We don't even have a Dem Senate candidate in Ohio
The gop has been getting by with this grocery clerk representing us in the Senate for 12 years, Mike Dewine. Before the Senate, his highest office was Lt. Governor. How can we prevail without running against the gop?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:42 AM
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34. What's that expression about dancing with the Devil?
Sometimes you get BURNED!!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:44 AM
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35. Newsview: Bush's Problems Has GOP Worried (Quack, Quack, Quack)
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 09:42 AM by Pirate Smile
WASHINGTON - Fearing that President Bush's political problems may become their own, Republicans in Congress and elsewhere are beginning to yearn for the good old days of seven months ago, when he had somebody to run against.

Voters were worried in November about the economy and the war in Iraq, but they didn't take it out on the incumbent on Election Day. They are now.

Bush's poll ratings are among the worst since he took office, declining in virtually every category since his win over Democratic Sen. John Kerry. From his handling of the economy, foreign policy and the war in Iraq to his job approval rating and voters' assessment of the country's direction, the president's political scores are in serious decline.

-snip-
The Bush campaign succeeded in its 2004 strategy — to make the election a referendum on Kerry and not the incumbent. Now, every day is a referendum on Bush.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050615/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_vs_bush;
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:44 AM
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36. The chickens are looking for their roost...
:nopity:
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:44 AM
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37. They wanted him- they got him.. Let's not allow the rats to abandon
this sinking ship. If some Repubs are having second thoughts.. doesn't that make them.. oh, let's see.. "FLIP-FLOPPERS"?
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:05 AM
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39. No need to worry
We're just a pissed off focus group.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:39 AM
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40. Newsview: Bush's Problems Has GOP Worried
Jun 15, 9:25 AM EDT

By RON FOURNIER
AP Political Writer





WASHINGTON (AP) -- Fearing that President Bush's political problems may become their own, Republicans in Congress and elsewhere are beginning to yearn for the good old days of seven months ago, when he had somebody to run against.

Voters were worried in November about the economy and the war in Iraq, but they didn't take it out on the incumbent on Election Day. They are now.

Bush's poll ratings are among the worst since he took office, declining in virtually every category since his win over Democratic Sen. John Kerry. From his handling of the economy, foreign policy and the war in Iraq to his job approval rating and voters' assessment of the country's direction, the president's political scores are in serious decline

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BUSH_VS_BUSH?SITE=MNMAN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-06-15-09-25-32

2006 (not 2008)
is what is important to take back

our local governments,
state
and the US house and Senate then we can impeach these criminals
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:39 AM
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41. He Can't Run Anyway
(Actually, he can try running for his life, but with any luck, we'll catch up with him and put him away forever.)
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:39 AM
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42. It's too late.. Bush's problems are already the GOP's problem
It's good that they're only just realizing this.
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Pinboy Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:36 PM
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45. You know they're worried when...
...they have to resort to trotting out the Flag Burning Amendment again:

Vote on flag desecration may be 'cliffhanger'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050615/ts_usatoday/voteonflagdesecrationmaybecliffhanger
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RalphReedsWreckedEm Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:41 PM
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46. I don't know if this even matters
It's long since gotten to the point that Bush could be caught on videotape sodomizing an infant and every single Republican in America would say the same thing: "I'm just so proud that we have a President with the courage to have sex with a baby."

Repukes will march in lock step because they do what they are told. Period.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:32 PM
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48. Good point
Hitler didn't come to power without the support of brainwashed idiots and neither did Bush. Bush voters have been sold an ideology, a lifestyle, a religion, and a political message. Bush and his cronies played on people's fear and hate. As much as we want to believe Bush is the problem, the STUPID PEOPLE who vote for him are just as much a problem. May this go down in history as the shocking, horrific, terrible lesson of what happens when people stop thinking for themselves.
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LordshipLadyship Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:44 PM
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49. My concerns
With this happening, a Republican joining in the investigation therefore making it bi-partisan, with documents coming out, with that military reporter disappearing (see Buzz Flash, which I read besides DU on nearly a daily basis, it's how I found DU ) with the DSM and other even more damning documents coming out, all this scares the donkey hairs off my liberal butt. I fear Bush will stage an attack, push Korea harder so they attack us, (note Condi's more than likely deliberate statement about 'sanity' move quicker on the war on Iran, invent another homeland security crap, he just must be itching to do something to stop the boulder coming. Understand, I am not saying I am not :bounce: :woohoo: over this. It has to happen. It has to happen to lend some purpose to the deaths of so many, our young men and women, our neighboring countries' men and women, the deaths of God knows how many Iraq and Muslims (and I say God here in the sense of the phrase, not a desire to push what I try to believe on any of you ) I'm just saying Bush and his cronies were getting more and more power mad to the point that more things like that Patriot act hearing that went sour. When you can justify horror, murder, torture, fascism, loyality oaths, tearing at the very heart of our Constitution by invoking the name of God or patriotism, and believe that you are omnipotent, and will not listen to science or reason or the people you're supposed to SERVE, and money and power is all that matters then it's going to take a whopper of happenstance to stop it. Bush sooner or later will do something, and that's what we have to prepare for.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:17 PM
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51. I hope they wet their pants while "fretting"---OH, man, I want them
taken down so bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:21 PM
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52. forget the chimp
they should worry about their own sorry asses! he won't be worried about theirs.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:46 PM
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53. Bush and his PNAC minions really wanted this second term.
So KKK Rove stole it for them. I wonder if they are having second thoughts now...wishing they could blame the entire mess on Kerry.
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OSheaman Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:52 PM
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54. No big surprises here
n/t
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:12 PM
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55. FUCK YOU BUSH!!!!!!!!!!
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