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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:02 PM Original message |
NYT: Leading Cardinal Redefines Church's View on Evolution |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. none are more ignorant than the willfully ignorant.... |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. I wonder what he makes of Ohm's Law |
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howmad1 (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. IF GOD WAS BEHIND INTELLIGENT DESIGN, |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 10:02 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. So true...and he'd have given us better/stronger BACKBONES! |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. And gravity is unacceptable too. Not to mention all that planet stuff |
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Bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 12:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
67. The Roman Catholic Church |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. Evolution is NOT random |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. YUP! |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Doesn't life itself go against the laws of thermodynamics? |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 12:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
35. So... various "naturally occurring" crystals and metals are |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 12:33 AM Response to Reply #18 |
36. Fatal flaw in your argument... |
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Shadoobie (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 12:33 AM Response to Reply #18 |
37. A common misconception. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 12:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You are absolutely correct... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 10:39 AM Response to Reply #18 |
45. late to the dance, but I have an answer for you-- no.... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
66. Only in closed systems. Sunlight makes Earth a non-closed system. |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
65. Including groups of interdependent organisms known as biospheres |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. Mutation Is Not NECESSARILY Random. That Is An Opinion Not Based |
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Penance (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Wishful thinking perhaps? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 10:44 AM Response to Reply #29 |
46. nonetheless, most point mutations are indeed random.... |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 01:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
40. And God- theirs, at any rate- MUST be assumed to be able to |
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reprobate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. It's a matter of the priesthood maintaining power. |
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H5N1 (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. Damn these money hungry bastards! |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
6. the virgin mary had blue eyes, blonde hair, and pale white skin. n/t |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Which explains why Our Lady of of Guadalupe is one of the |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
7. How could anyone tell a guided process from an unguided one? |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. Sad, the Catholic Church appears to be devolving. |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
10. Cardinal Schönborn doesn't know what he is talking about. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I think he'd argue with you about Mother Nature vs God, |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Mother nature is quite dependant on physics though. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Ah, but where does the physics come from? |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Ah, I see where you are coming at now. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. If you can't have fun with it, what's the point? |
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jwcomer (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
49. "Ah, but where does god come from?" |
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reprobate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 01:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
48. To postulate a "God" you must describe that "God" and it's effects. |
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renaissanceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. if only they even knew what God is |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
11. Anyone who says they know the truth about the origin of things is full of |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
13. He should read one more book |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. But in your model, someone programs the computer . |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 12:35 AM Response to Reply #23 |
38. So... |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
15. Someones zucchetto is too tight |
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sjdnb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
20. As a devote Roman Catholic |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I love that movie - and I agree with the sentiment. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Quite right -- no one should exclude |
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really annoyed (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 12:12 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. If you claim something exists... |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. An open mind doesn't mean accepting every theory |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
24. I submit that the platypus is proof both of guided evolution and |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
25. No need to get upset. The headline implies |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
51. Any individual who believes in a deity would probably think |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. It got reported because the Cardinal, and creationsists, wanted it |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
26. Oh For Pity's Sake. Yes, "Randomness" Is Also A Philosophical Assertion |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Bingo! |
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DanCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
27. I'll be a monkey's uncle |
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really annoyed (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
33. Gee, another persecution thread |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
41. and anyone who takes a cardinals advice on matters of science... |
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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
42. Page one, NYT today. nt |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
44. Musical interlude |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
52. I respect |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Didn't Teillard de Chardin postulate the creation is striving to |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 05:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. He believe in evolution |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 06:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Teilhard de Chardin reconciled evolution with Church teachings |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
56. Gregor Mendel Is Rolling In His Grave |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
58. Pardon me, Cardinal, but.. |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
59. Neo-Darwinism? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 07:16 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. No, biologists do use the term |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
61. Most apropos: This being on the anniversary ... |
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liberaliraqvet26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
62. is molestation just a theory to them also.... |
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jhain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
63. Gravity is a theory, too, |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
64. Creative Response Concepts strikes again |
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