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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:04 PM
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Venezuela Sends Relief Aid to Cuba and Jamaica in Aftermath of Hurricane D
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBM14M11BE.html

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Venezuela has sent relief aid to Cuba and Jamaica to help the two Caribbean nations recover from damages caused by Hurricane Dennis, the emergency protection agency announced Monday.


Agency Director Antonio Rivero said Venezuela sent teams of engineers to help with the reconstruction, as well as six tons of food, medicine, drinking water and fuel. snip

Rivero said two Venezuelan C-130 transport planes filled with relief supplies left for Cuba and Jamaica over the weekend. He did not offer additional details.

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:06 PM
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1. And what type of humanitarian aid is Bush sending...
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:07 PM
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2. Spy plane overflights. n/t
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:13 PM
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3. Please, you know we will send aid if needed. /nt
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:14 PM
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4. You think we will send aid to Cuba?
I wonder what makes you think that.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:19 PM
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7. Oh because maybe we offer all the time for disasters
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:25 PM
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9. I stand corrected. Thank You. EOM
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 02:26 PM by K-W
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:48 PM
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18. As to your first link $50,000 is chump change. The second link does notI
mention Cuba,the third reports that in 1998,Cuba said that they would not take aid from WHO if some of the funds came from the US,the fourth leads to the same page as the second link...I did not check any further, but I will not attempt to read amymore useless links. Yuo have not proven a thing about US "generosity" to Cuba!Venesuela has done far more!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:39 AM
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28. I heard this morning on CNN that we offered
aid and they refused it.....
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:38 PM
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11. Most of the "aid" goes to the military, so NO we won't help Cuba/Venez...

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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:41 PM
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14. We help or atleast offer help to almost every nation that has a disaster.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:46 PM
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17. That's what you don't seem to understand...


Most of not all the money of those "help" package goes to the police and military. NOT to the beautiful cause you "think" USA is helping trough those packages.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:05 PM
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19. What makes you say that?
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:12 PM
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20. For example...

"US 'may increase' Colombia military aid"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1761589.stm

The Colombian Army supports the AUC, the death squads et al. Need more?

(Of course you will say yes since it will be you're only "way out" argument :eyes: )
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:35 AM
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22. I guess you misunderstood my reason for questioning or are just
confrontational. My reason for asking is that I thought there maybe instances where aid was diverted from such things as Tsuanmi (sp?) relief.

I am well aware of military aid packages but that was not the topic of discussion here. Also, there is no need to be hostile or insulting.

"(Of course you will say yes since it will be you're only "way out" argument :eyes: )" Was just uncalled for. Sorry, you misunderstood what topic was being discussed.
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:53 PM
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30. I agree the US does offer aid in times of disaster but often it doesn't
end up where it should which is why I would be reluctant as a US citizen to support aid with no strings attached. As much as I loathe Bush I think in some circumstances the decisions make perfect sense.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:59 PM
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31. In the aftermath of Ivan, Bush offered Cuba $30,000 in hurricane relief
Bush's "generous" offer was rejected by the Cuban people!
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Garfield Goose Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:18 PM
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5. Do you think Fidel would accept U.S. aid?
Or would that make him look weak. His ego is tremendous and U.S. aid would cause the old coot a bit of cognitive dissonance.
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Vuem Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:19 PM
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6. Shhhh! Don't be reasonable and state the obvious
It makes the Castro loonies nervous.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:21 PM
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8. He would turn it down like always. /nt
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:34 PM
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10. He has a history of doing that? Links please. (nt)
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:40 PM
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13. Here:
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:44 PM
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16. what did you expect:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/95052.stm


"Mr Helms -- who sponsored the Helms-Burton Act that tightened the economic embargo on Cuba -- said the aid was intended to undermine the Cuban governent. "

Hey, here's a free bullet. Please shoot yourself! I don't defend Castro here, but what do you expect?

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:42 PM
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29. Wow. I wonder what those conditions were!
Brazil recently refused US money for fighting AIDS because every entity accepting money would be obligated to "condemn prostitution" (whatever THAT was supposed to mean).
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:40 PM
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12. Ya really...
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 02:41 PM by StrafingMoose

When does the US offered help to Cuba without including a condition were Castro would have to leave...

?

(Operation Mongoose, Bay of Pigs, etc. are no valid answers) :P

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:50 AM
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23. The cognitive dissonance is on the US side of the Gulfstream
It is the Cuban gov that lobbies hard for the end of the US embargo and US gov travel sanctions placed on Americans. A majority of Americans want to end the 45+ years old failure of policy. Poll: Americans don't support Cuban Sanctions Unrelenting, the US government insists on staying the failed course as well as denying Americans (as well as Cuban immigrants) their right to unfettered travel to the forbidden isle.

Sorry, but the cognitive dissonance is on the US side of the Gulfstream.


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Garfield Goose Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:01 AM
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25. I respect your opinon
but I don't agree with it. Castro is a two-bit senile totalitarian loony dressed up in a Sad Sack army uniform who is so out of step with the world (let alone his own people) that he doens't realize that he is the last of a dying breed of dinosaur dictators. The failed policy here is his totalitarian regime. The best thing that prick can do for his country is die, so that real progress can take root.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:34 AM
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27. Cuba hasn't progressed?
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 08:36 AM by Mika
Cuba is among the most progressive nations.

(BTW, Mr Castro isn't the doer of all thngs good or bad in Cuba. The Cuban people are responsible for Cubas works.)

Before the 1959 revolution

  • 75% of rural dwellings were huts made from palm trees.
  • More than 50% had no toilets of any kind.
  • 85% had no inside running water.
  • 91% had no electricity.
  • There was only 1 doctor per 2,000 people in rural areas.
  • More than one-third of the rural population had intestinal parasites.
  • Only 4% of Cuban peasants ate meat regularly; only 1% ate fish, less than 2% eggs, 3% bread, 11% milk; none ate green vegetables.
  • The average annual income among peasants was $91 (1956), less than 1/3 of the national income per person.
  • 45% of the rural population was illiterate; 44% had never attended a school.
  • 25% of the labor force was chronically unemployed.
  • 1 million people were illiterate ( in a population of about 5.5 million).
  • 27% of urban children, not to speak of 61% of rural children, were not attending school.
  • Racial discrimination was widespread.
  • The public school system had deteriorated badly.
  • Corruption was endemic; anyone could be bought, from a Supreme Court judge to a cop.
  • Police brutality and torture were common.

    ___



    After the 1959 revolution


    “It is in some sense almost an anti-model,” according to Eric Swanson, the programme manager for the Bank’s Development Data Group, which compiled the WDI, a tome of almost 400 pages covering scores of economic, social, and environmental indicators.

    Indeed, Cuba is living proof in many ways that the Bank’s dictum that economic growth is a pre-condition for improving the lives of the poor is over-stated, if not, downright wrong.

    -

    It has reduced its infant mortality rate from 11 per 1,000 births in 1990 to seven in 1999, which places it firmly in the ranks of the western industrialised nations. It now stands at six, according to Jo Ritzen, the Bank’s Vice President for Development Policy, who visited Cuba privately several months ago to see for himself.

    By comparison, the infant mortality rate for Argentina stood at 18 in 1999;

    Chile’s was down to ten; and Costa Rica, at 12. For the entire Latin American and Caribbean region as a whole, the average was 30 in 1999.

    Similarly, the mortality rate for children under the age of five in Cuba has fallen from 13 to eight per thousand over the decade. That figure is 50% lower than the rate in Chile, the Latin American country closest to Cuba’s achievement. For the region as a whole, the average was 38 in 1999.

    “Six for every 1,000 in infant mortality - the same level as Spain - is just unbelievable,” according to Ritzen, a former education minister in the Netherlands. “You observe it, and so you see that Cuba has done exceedingly well in the human development area.”

    Indeed, in Ritzen’s own field, the figures tell much the same story. Net primary enrolment for both girls and boys reached 100% in 1997, up from 92% in 1990. That was as high as most developed nations - higher even than the US rate and well above 80-90% rates achieved by the most advanced Latin American countries.

    “Even in education performance, Cuba’s is very much in tune with the developed world, and much higher than schools in, say, Argentina, Brazil, or Chile.”

    It is no wonder, in some ways. Public spending on education in Cuba amounts to about 6.7% of gross national income, twice the proportion in other Latin American and Caribbean countries and even Singapore.

    There were 12 primary school pupils for every Cuban teacher in 1997, a ratio that ranked with Sweden, rather than any other developing country. The Latin American and East Asian average was twice as high at 25 to one.

    The average youth (age 15-24) illiteracy rate in Latin America and the Caribbean stands at 7%. In Cuba, the rate is zero. In Latin America, where the average is 7%, only Uruguay approaches that achievement, with one percent youth illiteracy.

    “Cuba managed to reduce illiteracy from 40% to zero within ten years,” said Ritzen. “If Cuba shows that it is possible, it shifts the burden of proof to those who say it’s not possible.”

    Similarly, Cuba devoted 9.1% of its gross domestic product (GDP) during the 1990s to health care, roughly equivalent to Canada’s rate. Its ratio of 5.3 doctors per 1,000 people was the highest in the world.

    The question that these statistics pose, of course, is whether the Cuban experience can be replicated. The answer given here is probably not.

    “What does it, is the incredible dedication,” according to Wayne Smith, who was head of the US Interests Section in Havana in the late 1970s and early 1980s and has travelled to the island many times since.



    No one can say with any credibility that universal education and universal health care is forced on Cubans. Castro didn't give it to them. They worked hard to create the infrastructure and systems that they felt were essential for any progressive system.

    Cubans wanted universal health care for all Cubans, and they have it. They pushed for government that represented their ideals, and organized and formed infrastructure that enabled Cubans to create a fair and complete h-c system. Cubans wanted universal education for all Cubans, and they have it. They pushed for government that represented their ideals, organized and formed infrastructure that enabled Cubans to create a complete and world class ed system, and they have it. Cubans want to assist the world's poor with doctors and educators, instead of gun ship diplomacy.. and that is what they have done WITH their government, not at odds with their government.

    Can Americans make this claim about their own country? I'm afraid not.

    Maybe the US government should be a little more progressive in these areas of human development before criticizing other nations. (Clean up our own back yard litter before demanding that others do so.)


    Cubans want normalization between the US and Cuba, and they have thrown their doors open to us, but, it is our US government that prevents what the majority of Americans want their government to do - normalize relations. Worse yet, the US government forbids and has criminalized travel to Cuba by Americans - something that Cuba hasn't done.



    Viva Cuba!


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    whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:23 PM
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    21. Hehehehe, well that really cleared that issue up
    :rofl: Big sugar and the South Florida Batista death squad Cuban militia still hate that bastard Castro for taking away the good life. How long has it been now, 46 1/2 years? Wow!
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    silverpatronus Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:56 AM
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    24. you can laugh...
    but if you think time has made them let that one go, you are living in a dream world.
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    Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:44 PM
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    15. Hugo ROCKS!
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