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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:07 AM
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Law Requires Lessons on Constitution
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 06:47 AM by paineinthearse
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/18/AR2005071801585.html

Law Requires Lessons on Constitution
Federal Workers, Students Affected

By Valerie Strauss and Lori Aratani
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, July 19, 2005; A01

It's not often that first-graders, CIA agents, agriculture inspectors and airport security workers from coast to coast all receive a lesson on the same topic -- and on the same day -- but that is what's in store this September. The subject is the U.S. Constitution, thanks to a new law fathered by Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.), who is worried that so many people don't know the first thing about the country's governing document that he decided to try to make sure they do.

Tucked into a massive appropriations bill approved without fanfare late last year by Congress is the requirement that every one of the estimated 1.8 million federal employees in the executive branch receive "educational and training" materials about the charter on Constitution Day, a holiday celebrating the Sept. 17, 1787, signing that is so obscure that it, unlike Arbor Day, is left off many calendars. That's not all: The law requires every school that receives federal funds -- including universities -- to show students a program on the Constitution, though it does not specify a particular one. The demand has proved unpopular with educators, who say that they don't like the federal government telling them what to teach and that it doesn't make the best educational sense to teach something as important as the Constitution out of context.

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Byrd was not available for comment, but his spokesman, Tom Gavin, said many teachers had called the senator to thank him for creating this opportunity to teach the Constitution. The law offers some leeway if the holiday falls on a weekend, as it does this September. Some agencies and schools will be carrying it out during the week before, others the week after. Byrd, who prides himself on being the Senate's unofficial constitutional scholar, is expected to appear today at the National Archives when representatives from various federal departments and agencies meet to celebrate the launch of the "Constitution Initiative," according to Mike Beckman, acting deputy associate director for the Center for Leadership Capacity Services in the U.S. Office of Personnel Management. Gavin said Byrd was motivated to pursue the law by long-standing concerns about the state of civic education in the country, fueled by surveys showing that many Americans have a better understanding of the intricacies of "American Idol" than they do about the foundations of their government.

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Spokesmen for various federal agencies said yesterday that they were not sure how the law would be implemented. Educators have received guidance from the Department of Education about how to implement the law and have been directed to various Web sites with lessons and information about the Constitution from which they can craft programs. The law offers no money to help with the lessons. There seems, however, to be some confusion about exactly what the law requires. Frascella said he reads it as meaning every student in every school must participate. At American University, a private school that nevertheless receives federal funds (and where Byrd graduated from law school), Haig Mardirosian, associate dean of academic affairs, said AU will offer students the opportunity to attend a symposium at which First Amendment scholars and educators will speak, and it will be telecast to different locations on campus. In Fairfax, Alice Reilly, K-12 social studies coordinator for the county school system, said it will be up to individual educators to decide how to craft their lessons.

more.......

Note - Will be discussed on CSPAN Journal open phone lines at 7AM

Related WP article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/18/AR2005071801698.html?sub=AR

Constitutional Knowledge


Tuesday, July 19, 2005; Page A14

A recent survey of 600 students found that students have a greater knowledge of pop culture than they do the U.S. Constitution:


25.5% of respondents knew that Philadelphia is the city where the Constitution was written, compared with 75.2% who knew what city has the Zip code 90210.


35.5% knew the first three words of the Constitution, compared with 71.2% who knew that "www" are the first three letters of most Web site addresses.


1.8% knew that James Madison is considered the father of the Constitution, compared with 58.3% who knew that Bill Gates is the father of Microsoft.



41.2% knew the names of the three branches of government, compared with 59.2% who knew the names of the Three Stooges.


SOURCE: National Constitution Center


Edit: added related "Constitutional Knowledge" article.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:10 AM
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1. Yea to Senator Byrd
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:14 AM
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2. It's about time someone did this
I can't believe it isn't required teaching everywhere already!!

Robert Byrd is a true patriot.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:28 AM
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3. Jeeze, you wanna teach people about their Constitutional rights?
The FBI will be looking into this radical plot, that's for sure.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:29 AM
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4. This is just a ploy to legitimize homosexuality in our public schools
I don't know how, but some fundie will find a reason...
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:33 AM
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5. Interesting!
With a couple of civil servants in the family, AND a couple of students I will be watching with interest how this little tidbit is intituted (if at all)
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:37 AM
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6. Next let's teach 'em about...
...oil lanterns, muskets, flint knapping, and all the other obsolete technology they'll never get to use.

It's a nice idea, but there are no Constitutional rights anymore, unless you're a corporation--in which case you have an army of lawyers who already know this stuff.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:38 AM
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8. I wonder if I would've gotten MY back up
about the current attacks on MY Constitutional rights if I hadn't gotten a good dose of information about them in the Public schools I came up in..
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:57 AM
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9. Could be...
...but I'm afraid that a course in Constitutional rights would just be a history class.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:37 AM
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7. you've got to love the Constitution of the United States of America.
or, if you don't, you hate 'mur'kans.

yay to the Venerable Senator Byrd!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:08 AM
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10. I'm Worried: Whose Version Of the Constitution?
Teaching Scalia's version would be worse than ignorance.
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Gunnyfw Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:34 AM
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11. This is unconstitutional.
There is no constitutional provision for a law mandating an educational program on the Constitution. The Constitution is--or was--a document that confined the federal government to a set of narrowly defined powers and duties and education of any kind is not one of them. Byrd is violating the Constitution at the same time he seeks to educate a narrow segment of the population about the Constitution.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:54 AM
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12. Oh, boy! a Constitutional "Sea Lawyer"...
Education is Power. No wonder you and your masters fear it.

Enjoy your stay here.
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ZR2 Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:19 AM
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13. There is no constitutional requirement for sex ed classes either
So maybe we should scrap those as well.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:19 AM
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14. "...promote the general Welfare..."
It is justified by the preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Just as all federally mandated entitlement programs, as well as public works projects are.

* administration employees will do well to have a remedial dose of the Constitution.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:15 PM
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25. and the Elastic Clause, the Mr. Fantastic of the Constitution
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:03 PM
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23. No he isn't
He's doing what needs to be done before Faux, CNN, and most right wing haters on radio, with the help of James Dobson, rewrite and disseminate a lie they'll try to get over on the 'murkin public.

There is nothing unconstitutional about what he's doing.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:34 PM
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27. And I hear they can't sentence you if the flags have fringe.
Gubmint skoolz is unconsteetooshunul too!
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BornLeft Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:45 PM
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28. BWAH well there wasn't one
but there is now, so until the right wing fascist in the SCOTUS declare that teaching the Constitution is Unconstitutional then it is the law of the land. Is this what you and your ilk are afraid of? That people actually may wake up and find they have been hoodwinked and robbed of their constitutional rights? Oh the Irony, freeper upset that the constitution is being taught.
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Gunnyfw Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:03 PM
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32. Sorry to disappoint you...
but I am no Freeper (you will not find a post by me at "Freakrepublic", although I do visit from time to time to check on the wingnuts) and we have already been hoodwinked and robbed of our constitutional rights.
The 1st amendment is defunct (remember the Free Speech Zones during the last election?) The 4th amendment is dead due to the War on Some Drugs and the War on Terra and the 6th 7th and 8th are on the ropes due to Bu$h and Co (Smirky can declare American citizens "Enemy Combatants" and throw them in a hole forever--without a trial) and the 9th and 10th are ignored completely by both of the dominant parties.
In addition, the power to declare war has been ceded by the Congress to the Executive branch which is precisely why we are in an Iraqmire in central Asia. Also, the Commerce Clause has been stretched to such lengths that it now allows for the feds to regulate and rule every aspect of your life and you no longer own your body or your property. Smoke some weed or take too much of a certain a painkiller and see how fast the feds haul your ass to jail.
I am not afraid of people knowing the Constitution; all I'm saying is the federal government has no business mandating the teaching thereof, it is a matter that the states can take up if they wish, after all, that is how a federal republic is supposed to operate.

And please, do not associate me with "right wing fascists" because you really know nothing about my politics or me.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:21 PM
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29. making flag burning a crime, on the other hand...
constiutional?
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:34 AM
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15. Teaching it "out of context?!" The United States *is* the context.
I say make everybody read it. Sheesh! I'm almost always pro-teacher, but what is there to complain about here? They ought to welcome the chance to teach the constitution.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:27 AM
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16. Exactly. If it is already taught in the regular curiculum,
spending a day or two reviewing it on/around Constitution Day will cause no great pains.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:10 PM
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17. People who are ignorant of their Constituational rights WILL LOSE THEM.
And that is what is happening now.

I hope they ALSO teach how to search the Constitution and laws to find relevant language. Then, when the Administration and the Congress so blatantly break the laws, it just might be noticed.

Recommended onto the Greatest Page.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:28 PM
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18. Is there no such thing as civics class anymore?


Back in the ant-bellum days we all learned this in school. Everyone knew how governmnet was formed and how it ran.

What the hell are we teaching the kids of today if they don't know how their government works, and it's forming documents?
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:39 PM
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19. I think this is a GREAT idea
The only reason I learned anything about the Consitution was because my dad happened to like hearing himself go on and on about the Bill of Rights . . . thank heavens!
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:51 PM
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20. As a former teacher, I find this paragraph a bit difficult to swallow.
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 12:59 PM by Daphne08
"That's not all: The law requires every school that receives federal funds -- including universities -- to show students a program on the Constitution, though it does not specify a particular one. The demand has proved unpopular with educators, who say that they don't like the federal government telling them what to teach and that it doesn't make the best educational sense to teach something as important as the Constitution out of context."

I don't know who stated that, but I seriously doubt teachers think one itty-bitty day of education on the U. S. Constitution will be burdensome, that is, unless they have never read or studied it themselves which I find difficult to believe.





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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:08 PM
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24. That teachers group needs to be outted
and their members fired if that is their mantra.

It sounds like a bunch of fundamentals to me. Teaching the constitution, prima facie, would open up the eyes of those who've been listening and been led by those who've been lying to them since the 80's.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:56 PM
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21. THIS could get interesting....
In this corner we have the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration

http://www.stopactivistjudges.org/history.asp


and over in this corner we have......hmmm, can't seem to find a well funded organization over there.

I hope Byrd understands what he might be unleashing here.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:09 PM
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22. I hope there's a pop quiz
failure of which results in immediate termination, or denial from governmental employment.

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Milspec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:30 PM
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26. Whats the fuss...??
I had to pass both the US and Missouri Constitution test in 8th grade (and sorry to say in about 1963). Funny thing the canned curriculum for the tests was a lot more interesting than the babbling of my 72 year old social studies teacher at the time. LOL
(and I later got a masters in history)
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:34 PM
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30. Kudos to Byrd
But, on a side note, the money would be better spent reviving and pushing an updated Schoolhouse Rock series on it. I was taught about the constitution in school and don't remember a thing from it (I've since reviewed it numerous times within the context of understanding various things here but I'm a political junkie these days), but, "I'm just a Bill" still resounds in my head.

I hate to be the whistleblower on this one but the American educational system is so boring most of the most creative American children check out for most of it.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:19 PM
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31. When martial law is declared it is Constitutional to disobey
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 08:20 PM by EVDebs
the suspension of the Constitution ! FEMA or no FEMA.
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