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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:53 PM
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NYT: Columnist Hints Book Was Source That Led to Use of C.I.A. Officer's
By ANNE E. KORNBLUT
Published: August 2, 2005
WASHINGTON, Aug. 1 - One of the most puzzling aspects of the C.I.A. leak case has had to do with the name of the exposed officer. Why did the syndicated columnist Robert D. Novak identify her as Valerie Plame in exposing her link to the C.I.A. in July 2003 when she had been known for years both at the agency and in her personal life by her married name, Valerie Wilson?

Mr. Novak offered a possible explanation for the disconnect on Monday, suggesting in his column that he could have obtained Ms. Wilson's maiden name from the directory Who's Who in America, which used that name in identifying her as the wife of Joseph C. Wilson IV, a former ambassador.

Mr. Novak did not explicitly cite the directory as his source. Nor was this his first public reference to the Who's Who listing. In a column in October 2003, three months after he had first disclosed Ms. Wilson's name and her role, Mr. Novak cited the published listing as evidence that Ms. Wilson's identity was "no secret."

But in drawing renewed attention to the published listing, Mr. Novak seemed to suggest more directly than ever before that the scrutiny that has focused on which of his sources provided him the name might have been misplaced, and that he might well have figured it out by himself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/02/politics/02leak.html

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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:55 PM
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1. He's a moron
There's a difference being in a who's who book and telling the whole fucking world she's s CIA asset. Duh!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:47 AM
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25. who apparently LIED in his 03 column when he cited 2 senior WH official


"Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the Italian report."

July 14, 2003

the whole article...
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/printrn20030714.shtml

see also his 1st. responce...
The CIA leak
October 1, 2003
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20031001.shtml

psst... pass the word ;->

peace
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:01 PM
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36. *LOL* He seems to be working towards a well-earned spot behind bars.
He should do as his attorney(s) recommended and STFU 'cause his lies and misrepresentations are placing his "liberty" into an inescapable legal corner,...the criminally-conspiring rat bastard!!! :grr:
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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:56 PM
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2. Did the directory indicate that she was an undercover agent?
:eyes:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:56 PM
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3. Figured it out himself, and so decided on his own to blow the cover
of a valuable US agent who was working directly to protect our nation from terrorists.

Is that what you are saying, Novak?

In that case you are either a liar or a traitor, perhaps both.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:57 PM
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4. Confused......
This line of the article confuses me: "Why did the syndicated columnist Robert D. Novak identify her as Valerie Plame in exposing her link to the C.I.A. in July 2003 when she had been known for years both at the agency and in her personal life by her married name, Valerie Wilson?"

It is my understanding that in the CIA, she was known as "Valerie P." Because remember when one of her former colleagues Larry Johnson testified before Congress a few weeks ago, he said he only knew her as "Valerie P." That's just how seriously they took their roles as covert CIA folks.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:16 PM
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13. She was known as Valerie P when she started at the CIA.
From what I understand, she's worked at the CIA for a long while.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:22 PM
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15. But still...
When I listend to Larry Johnson's interview on Al Franken's show, and his testimony before Congress, I got the distinct impression that up until Valerie's cover was blown, he knew her only as "Valerie P."

He told Al Franken that after her identity was blown, a mutual colleauge and/or friend of theirs told him "That was our Val."
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 11:58 AM
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34. She Hadn't Been Married To Wilson For That Long, Either
This reporter just sucks, in my opinion. Or he's another Bush plant. I think we should start some background digging on some of these reporters - where did they go to school, who gave them money for school - what are their connections to the RNC?

Novak figured it out himself - no shit - her NAME is in the public domain, but not her STATUS AS A SPY; that's why when Rove was saying he didn't out Valerie because he merely said "wilson's wife", it was a lie, because he did - the maiden name is in the public domain and can be easily found.

These people sure think we are idiots if they expect us to buy this bullshit. Sorry, I just have to swear.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:57 PM
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5. Ahem.
The fact that Joe Wilson's wife was Valerie Plame (aka Valerie Wilson, aka Mrs. Joe Wilson) is not and was not classified information. The fact that she worked for the CIA most undoubtedly was. The NYT writer (not surprisingly) appears to have utterly missed the point. Damn that librul media!
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:00 PM
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6. He says at the end the directory doesn't mention her employer.
Geez.......
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:09 PM
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9. (S)he seems to think that the issue is why Novak used her maiden name
when everyone else used her married name--including the State Dept. memo Fitzgerald's interested in. Seems like maybe the least important point of the investigation to me.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:03 PM
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7. I hope anne e. kornblut
reads it after it's in print and realizes what a dolt she is.

Can't the nyt get any excellent writers anymore? Or even mediocre ones?
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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:14 PM
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12. It's easier to get
inept, lazy writers to whore for them. I suspect excellent writers aren't so easily bought, because they know they have talent. Lazy, inept writers are so grateful that anyone would hire them, they'd sell their mothers out to the pimps (in this case, the NYTs).b
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:07 AM
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28. Kornblut believes focus on Novak's sources is misplaced--case closed
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:08 PM
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8. the dog ate my fuck`n homework excuse
i think he`s abit touched in the head...
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:10 PM
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10. Absolute nonsense
Edited on Mon Aug-01-05 10:12 PM by alcibiades_mystery
He could well have figured out that Joseph Wilson's wife was named Valerie Plame. So could have their neighbors, their insurance broker, their pool cleaner, and the maitre'd at a local restaurant. That is, needless to say, all very much beside the point. Mrs. Wilson claimed to work as a consultant with a company named Jennings Brewster. As far as their neighbors, their insurance broker, their pool cleaner, the maitre'd or Mr. Robert Novak could have known, this was a legitimate company that drew revenue for consulting services rendered. What none of these people could have determined from "Who's Who in America" or any other public source was that Jennings Brewster was in fact a CIA front company gathering intelligence on weapons proliferation, or that Mrs. Wilson or Ms. Plame, or whatever, was a covert operative for the Central Intelligence Agency. No public source said that. The CIA tried desperately to prevent Mr. Novak from printing that. And the fucking New York Times should stop pretending that this point isn't obvious to any child who looks into the matter with a shred of honesty. Are they fucking kidding me?

The lengths of absurdity that these scumbags will go to to backtrack on their criminal behavior is directly proportional to their culpability and criminal exposure. And this story is a doozy of bad logic and laughable premises, so I'm betting that they're expecting rather severe indictments. He could have figured it out by himself? How? How on earth could he have done that? If any public source made any such claim, that public source should be added to the investigation. As it stands, the FIRST public source to state that Valerie Wilson was a CIA employee was Mr. Novak's column, which is why he's at the center of the shitstorm. As well he should be.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:40 PM
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17. Excellent synopsis alcibiades_mystery . . .
. . . Please please please --->> redirect your post to the NYTimes and send it in its entirety as a LTTE in response to Anne E. Kornblut's ridiculous column. Pretty please with sugar on top . . .

TYY:applause: :bounce:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:05 PM
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19. The 'story' seems to make a couple of things clearer ...
1. Novak resorted to "Who's Who" and used her maiden name to further obfuscate the source of his information.

2. This 'story' is carrying water for the NYTimes and Judith Miller. The (corporate) NYTimes has a vested interest in muddying the waters.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:18 PM
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20. Precisely.
If we pretend we are as dumb as Novak pretends to be, we can join in his perplexity and confusion.

Bob's also in "Who's Who in America" as "Robert", thereby proving he is a treasonous douchebag; QED.

:kick:

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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:14 PM
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11. Incredible. It's amazing he is not on a leave of absence.
One thinks he's got a presidential pardon in his pocket already.

So we are supposed to believe that he was told "Wilson's wife", and was able to figure out her name was Valerie Plame, and was then told that she worked at the CIA- but not necessarily undercover, and checked this with the CIA who told him not to print anything about her, but Novak did anyway, and called her a CIA "operative", and that this somehow exonerates him?

If anything, he is just falling on his sword for his king. I'll be taking bets that Novak suddenly develops serious health problems that prevent him from serving time in an actual penitentiary... at least until the pardon kicks in, then he'll be friggin water shkiing.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:19 PM
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14. It took Novak two years to come up with this bogus excuse?
I wouldn't be surprised if he's being privately advised by the attorney general, Alberto Gonzalez.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:34 AM
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24. maybe? he is getting afraid???? umm....
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:34 PM
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16. Good grief what an insult. eom.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:52 PM
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18. why is Novak grasping at straws NOW...?
This makes no sense-- Rove and Libby have already been fingered. What is Novak trying to conceal now?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:55 PM
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21. I knew this "little discrepancy" would come back to haunt someone.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 12:12 AM by Carolab
Namely Novak and his REAL "source".

http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/000049.html

{snip}

Now if you assume, as the people who organized this sliming raid wanted you -- and still want you -- to assume, that someone with Wilson's resume was obviously unqualified for the mission, then a very alert foreign counterintelligence service might say, "Hmmm...who does this nobody know at the CIA that he gets chosen for a mission so clearly above his pay grade?" But there is absolutely no basis for that assumption other than the wish of Bush's defenders to discredit what Wilson found, or rather did not find, in Niger.

So, as of the day before the Novak story broke, there was nada, zippo, zilch on the publicly available record linking Valerie Plame Wilson, wife of the retired ambassador, or Valerie Plame, energy consultant, to the CIA. And that's what the CIA reported to Justice: absent the leak, the media could not have guessed her identify. Which is why this story just moved to the front page.

Once her name was mentioned as the name of a CIA official, though, it would immediately occur to the counterintelligence bureaus of countries where Plame had traveled that any of their nationals with information about WMD acquisition who had spent time talking to "energy consultant" Valerie Plame, or to anyone working for the same "energy consulting firm," ought to be brought in and asked some questions, perhaps with a little physical encouragement to be responsive if such encouragement proved necessary.

The significance of using the name "Valerie Plame" in the leak wasn't that it did extra damage; the damage was done simply by identifying Joseph Wilson's wife as a CIA employee. The significance of using "Valerie Plame" is that it would have been used by only two sorts of people: her old friends and acquaintances from before her marriage, and people who had heard of her in the context of the covert side of her work. (Again, I'm accepting here the report that she didn't use the name "Plame" in her ordinary office work at Langley.)

That makes it less likely that the leak was a semi-innocent one, and more likely that whoever revealed it to the press, and especially whoever revealed it to the person who revealed it to the press, knew full well that it wasn't supposed to get out.

{snip}

Plus more on this from Atrios: http://atrios.blogspot.com/2003_09_28_atrios_archive.html#106502467484487975
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:07 AM
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26. Yes. There is significance in the name Novak chose to use.
Thanks for that link. Folks who think the discrepancy doesn't matter are missing the point. Why would Novak deliberately use the name Plame instead of Wilson? What would HIS point be? If his only point was to show the connection between a CIA agent and Ambassador Wilson, the name Valerie Wilson would have sufficed--the name she is currently known as, and has been since her marriage in 1998.

One theory is that he got the tip from someone who knew her when, from long before her marriage, who just naturally fell into using the name he was used to. Novak himself wouldn't be privy to whether or not the name was out of date; he would just assume she had retained her maiden name in business. So that could be the reason for his attempt at misdirection now. He realizes that the name given to him could be an identifying factor in narrowing down who his source was, and he wants to steer attention away from that.

Another theory is that his source used that name deliberately, to deliberately cause havoc in CIA operations she was involved in overseas in past years--anyone who dealt with her in any way pre-1998 would now be informed that she had been CIA all along. That would make this a far more malicious leak than just trying to discredit Wilson by making a point about nepotism.

I think Kornblut, in the NYT item, has put her finger on a very central issue in the mystery. I think it was a good piece.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:57 AM
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27. "...to discredit what Wilson found, or rather did not find, in Niger."
Carolab, this is one of the things that has nagged at me: "what he found, or rather did not find..." Why did they okay the Niger trip KNOWING THAT NOTHING WOULD BE FOUND because they were making the whole thing up, and may ever have forged those phony Niger docs?

Another hole in their story: Why would Wilson being married to a CIA WMD expert in any way taint or discredit him? On the contrary, it would seem to ENHANCE his ability to carry out the Niger mission.

Then I ran across this, in an interview of Wilson (I think it was Raw Story): Prior to publishing his whistleblowing op-ed in the NYT, Wilson called Condi Rice to urge the regime to disavow the Niger/Iraq nuke allegation. She (through intermediaries) told him that she was not interested in his information, but, if he was so concerned about, why didn't he publish it?

Sounds like she was BAITING--like they had the whole thing set up--maybe way back before Wilson's trip--to bait him or someone at the CIA to oppose them and/or to cry foul. That would explain why Rice or Cheney okayed a Wilson trip to Niger knowing that the Niger story was false. (Surely such a well-known diplomat going on such a sensitive mission would have to be okayed by them). And if they were baiting him, then their real target was Plame, that is, the CIA capability for monitoring WMDs around the world, and this tale of nasty Rovian political revenge that many people assume is true (because it's so believable) is a cover story.

These early puzzles led me to some other investigations--including the suspicious death of the Brits chief WMD expert, David Kelly, during the Plame outing--and to a theory that it was not Wilson's article, published on July 6, 2003, that prompted the Plame outing in such a precipitous and treason-risky manner (I mean, they called at least SIX reporters to get this done--it sounds like it was urgent, almost panicky), but rather it was something else that happened a day later, on July 7, 2003, and that is the Brit intel interrogation of David Kelly, who had been whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC about the Brits' "sexed up" WMD intel, starting in late May 2003.

After Kelly was identified and interrogated, Tony Blair was told, on July 7, that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things"--"COULD say," not HAD said. (It's in the Hutton report.) I think this was the trigger for the Plame outing, which otherwise would have unfolded in a more surreptitious and subtle manner (so as not to involve dozens of people in potential treason charges, not to mention at least six reporter witnesses). It's been documented that Bush and Blair were in frequent communication. I think Blair called Bush and told him that they had "a problem."

What could that problem have been? What were the "uncomfortable things" that David Kelly "could say"?

Here's the time-line:

April-May 2003: Judith Miller running all over Iraq with US troops "hunting" for WMDs, after the invasion.
May 22, 2003: Kelly starts whistleblowing to the BBC about the exaggerated intel.
June 30, 2003: They find out who is whistleblowing--their chief WMD expert.
July 6, 2003: Wilson publishes his article.
July 7, 2003: Blair informed of "uncomfortable things" Kelly COULD say.
July 14, 2003: Plame outed and disabled as a WMD covert agent (by Novak).
July 17, 2003: Kelly sends an email to Judith Miller in which he is concerned about the "many dark actors playing games" (but is otherwise upbeat).
July 18, 2003: Kelly found dead, under extremely suspicious circumstances; his office and computers searched.
July 21, 2003: Miller writes a news article on Kelly's death for NYT, but fails to mention his "dark actors" email (and other close ties to Kelly).
July 22, 2003: The bigger Plame outing, of the whole CIA company (Brewster Jennings), disabling all WMD monitoring projects worldwide and putting all agents at great risk (outing by Novak).

Here's my guess at the key to all of the above: David Kelly had stumbled upon, or even foiled, a plot to PLANT nukes or other WMDs in Iraq--which would have been of enormous political benefit to Bush and Blair in summer '03 (and even now). This is what Brit intel found out in the Kelly interrogation and warned Blair about. The Bushites were concerned that Plame would find out, or suspected her of helping foil their nefarious scheme, and outed her immediately (a long planned assault on the CIA, with the Wilson article used opportunistically to do the deed, and to create the cover story of Rovian revenge).

After Kelly was found dead (very likely assassinated)(--by the Blairites? the Bushites? who knows?), they discovered something in his office that connected the foiling of their scheme to Brewster Jennings, and that's why they outed the whole company, greatly increasing their risk of treason charges. This SECOND outing, on July 22, was not needed to "punish" Wilson. It seems gratuitous and unnecessarily risky--unless there was an urgent hidden reason for it. And fear of discovery of their plot, or revenge against the foilers of their plot, is a heftier motive (plus, the benefit of moving WMDs more freely around the world, for profit--and for use in indicting Syria, or Iran?)

This scenario fits David Kelly's character very well. Tough guy; brilliant scientist; supported the war, wanted Saddam toppled; tried to get the Brit intel docs to be more accurate, but didn't whistleblow then; something turned him around about the war, and especially about the false intel, AFTER the invasion. The scenario works whether Kelly committed suicide or not--although I'm 99% sure that he did not.

There is literally not a detail in the accounts of his death that does not raise suspicion, and, cumulatively, the details just about scream at you: assassination! --and official coverup. Brilliant scientist--looking forward to his daughter's wedding and returning to Iraq (so he said in his emails)--walks out into the countryside near his home, slits one wrist and bleeds to death all night in the cold and the rain; not enough blood at the scene, body moved, according to the paramedics (ignored by the official report); lots of expert dissent (ignored by the official report); no surveillance or protection for Kelly (although they'd outed his name to the press); no note, and on and on.

One other thing he said in his last emails: He thought the whole controversy surrounding him (big in England) would blow over in a week. (Had he told his bosses that he wouldn't disclose their worst secret, and thought that was an end of it?) I suppose they could have threatened him or his family, but there is absolutely no sign of depression, or even pessimism, in his last emails. He sounds like a survivor; he sounds philosophical; he is forward-looking.

Miller was possibly in on the plot to move WMDs into Iraq for a false "find." She was most certainly avid to get that "scoop" (she had a special "embed" contract signed by Donald Rumsfeld). Kelly and Miller were well acquainted--they'd written a book together ("Germs"). Kelly was not likely aware that, even while he was writing to her about the "many dark actors playing games," Miller was busy helping to out Valerie Plame and to destroy the CIA's WMD monitoring project.

Take your pick of the "dark actors" in this tragedy. Over 100,000 Iraqis slaughtered; 2,000 US soldiers dead; both Iraq and the U.S. looted by master thieves; and the U.S., once a beacon of freedom, now regarded around the world as an international criminal.

If my guesses and surmises turn out to be true, we may have David Kelly to thank for not having had to listen to Bush and Blair's triumphal speeches on how all that carnage was justified by the WMDs they had "found" in Iraq.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:17 AM
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29. Peace Patriot, you should post this as its own thread.
Brilliant analysis.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:27 AM
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31. I agree wholeheartedly, this is a well thought out and very credible
sounding theory that deserves its own thread. MKJ
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 11:50 AM
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33. Here's something for your timeline . . .
. . . a couple of stories that were posted at indymedia in 2003. At the time, they were scoffed at by the usual suspects. In light of current events, if you go to indymedia and read them today, they don't seem so incredible. Be sure to scroll down through the comments to 'Controlling the News'. I've posted just a taste of each story below. ~TYY


http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/06/266752.shtml


CIA and DOD Attempted To Plant WMD In Iraq
author: Iraqwar.ru

A DOD whistleblower detail an attempt by a covert U.S. team to plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The team was later killed by friendly fire due to CIA incompetence.

Pentagon Whistleblower Reveals CIA/ DoD Fiascos
20.06.2003 <08:07>

In a world exclusive, Al Martin Raw.com has published a news story about a Department of Defense whistleblower who has revealed that a US covert operations team had planted "Weapons of Mass Destruction" (WMDs) in Iraq - then "lost" them when the team was killed by so-called "friendly fire."

The Pentagon whistleblower, Nelda Rogers, is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the Defense Department. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq.

According to Al Martin Raw.com, "Ms.Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense.

The information that is being leaked out is information "obtained while she was in Germany heading up the debriefing of returning service personnel, involved in intelligence work in Iraq for the Department of Defense and/or the Central Intelligence Agency.

"According to Ms. Rogers, there was a covert military operation that took place both preceding and during the hostilities in Iraq," reports Al Martin Raw.com, an online subscriber-based news/analysis service which provides "Political, Economic and Financial Intelligence." . . .



Controlling the News 25.Jun.2003 06:19

In-House Memos on Television News Presentations

During the middle of March, 2003, tbrnews received an email from a man who claimed to be a mid-level executive with a major American television network. He stated in this, and subsequent, emails that he was in possession of "thousands" of pages of in-house memos sent from his corporate headquarters in New York City to the head of the network's television news department. He went on to say that these memos set forth directives about what material was, and was not, to be aired on the various outlets of the network.

This individual claimed he was developing serious doubts about the strict control of media events and decided that he would pass this material along to someone who might make use of it.

There was the question of his job security. If someone published his name, it would be certain he was not only fired but blackballed throughout his profession.

If tbrnews.org would agree to protect his identity, he would send us these alleged thousands of pages of notes, going back to 2001.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating so we accepted his caveats and he then sent to us by disk the pages he spoke of. All are on corporate stationary, signed or initialed by the senders and again, signed or initialed by the recipients in the news division. . . .

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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:12 AM
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22. And did Who's Who in America also reveal the name of Valerie Plame's
CIA undercover company Brewster Jennings, after all Novakula also revealed that name in one of his columns.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:28 AM
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23. Novak and the NYT must be dumber than I thought.
First, Rove et al to him she was Wilson's wife who worked with the agency. Second, all this CNN TRAITOR had to do was ask any one, "hey, who is Joe married to, what high school did she go to?" and walla... her name. Yet his 2003 op-ed clearly stated that she was indeed a covert operative. Sorry Bob, that little tongue in ass trick may work with the NYT and Mass right winged media, it won't work with us nor Fitz. Either way... Your gonna burn.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:21 AM
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30. "one of the most puzzling aspects"

it may be puzzling to anne e. kornblut but it's irrelevant as far as the investigation goes. What a waste of newspaper space.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:28 AM
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32. I just love this:
"Mr.Novak offered a possible explanation...suggesting...that he could have obtained Ms. Wilson's maiden name..."

Weasely motherfuckers. Novak and the New York Times.

And why was he looking her up in Who's Who to begin with?
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AusTexDem Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:56 PM
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35. I saw a guy interviewed that went through CIA training with her and
he said that she was known to her peers as Valerie P. Not Valerie W.
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