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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:35 AM
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British Scorpio arrives for Russia mini-sub rescue
"MOSCOW (Reuters) - A British underwater rescue vehicle was airlifted on Saturday to Russia's Kamchatka peninsula to join efforts to save the crew of a mini-submarine stranded on the floor of the Pacific, RIA news agency said.


RIA quoted a Russian military spokesman in Kamchatka as saying the British transport plane that delivered the Scorpio -- a remote-controlled underwater vehicle capable of descending 925 meters (3,035 feet) -- was being unloaded in the regional capital Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.

RIA said that it would take up to six hours for the Scorpio to reach the site of the rescue operation, where an attempt to pull a Russian mini-submarine AS-28 to more shallow waters has failed. "

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050806/ts_nm/russia_submarine_dc;_ylt=AuYZZs.dvSUmg2FjayJsf.1Z.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:43 AM
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1. Michael Savage was screeching about this today
He said we and our allies were crazy for helping the Russians and that we did not get "it". Whatever "it" means.

When the Russians heard we might have trouble with our space shuttle they offered to help out.

Rush and Savage might want us to think all those who don't believe as we do are evil and our enemies. They are not.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:45 AM
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2. What a complete idiot! Russians have taken on the Space Station.
They have sent food & replacements. For sure that is part of the deal since they were already in partnership with the space station..but my god - Russia wants to be a part of NATO.They are in the G8.

Seems like whoever that person is you describe - they require an enemy to survive. What a dinosaur!
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:49 AM
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3. Savage & Rush says they, the Russians, are filthy commies
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 01:51 AM by Erika
and the right wing fanatics eat it up.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 12:07 PM
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4. Vladimir has to get in the capitalist "we won" knife to the back
Vladimir,

You have to get in your back stabbing don't you! Couldn't just write a story about people helping people? You disgust me!


The plea for international assistance underlined the deficiencies of Russia's once-mighty navy and strongly contrasted with the sinking of the nuclear submarine Kursk five years ago, when authorities held off asking for help until hope was nearly exhausted. All 118 crew died in that accident.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050806/ap_on_re_eu/russia_navy_accident_62;_ylt=ArBehbkO7FxH_8IqldVIL19_5GIA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

info@ap.org
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 02:47 PM
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6. Oh yes I forgot! Any show of empathy is a threat to the GOP 30 year
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 02:47 PM by applegrove
empire. We must all be taught to think as adolescents instead of adults.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:54 PM
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5. What am I missing here?
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 02:15 PM by BrotherBuzz
TV news informed me last nights that a US Airforce C-5 flew from Travis AFB to San Diego to load a US navy Super Scorpio ROV and fly over to Kamchatka peninsula . What involvment do the British have in this? :shrug:

On edit: Oops, the british sent a team as well...
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 02:49 PM
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7. Canadians teaching the US military how to use deep diving suits (they
look like spacesuits and are totally made out of hard plastic) got sent across the Pacific too. Japanese are on their way.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 03:35 PM
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8. Wow, everyone is sending help...Cool
I wonder why they didn't send for Graham Hawkes. His first submersible, Deep Flight I (DF I) can ascend 650ft in just one minute. He might have been able to clear up a lot confussion with just one quick look see. Heck, it's so small it would fit in an executive jet if they could only figure out how to get it through the door.

http://www.deepflight.com/subs/df1.htm
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:19 PM
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10. Does it have arms that can cut metal & net? I think that is why the
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 09:19 PM by applegrove
scorpions submersibles were sent. Who knows what trouble that sub will be in when they get the net off. They should float if they drop ballast. But you never know.

Yup the two company reps from Canada happened to be in San Diego or there abouts training the navy in usage of deep dive suit when the distress signal came in.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:23 PM
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11. This minisub can breakdance and do the electric boogaloo.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:27 PM
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12. Maybe they were afraid it would get caught up in the net for all its fancy
moves!
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 04:31 AM
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21. The British were the ones who actually did the rescue.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 06:17 PM
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9. I hope they can rescue them.
The radio said that they had somehow gotten themselves wrapped up in a metal cable that is attached to 60 ton anchors. It didn't sound like their chances are good to me.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:28 PM
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13. I have stayed away from the news all day. In hopes that it is good.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:36 PM
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14. It sure has been a long time between when the Brits got busy and any
real news about their fate. I don't know if thats good or bad.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:39 PM
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15. Please let them be successful.
The Russians offered to bring our astronasuts down if needed.

Are the blowhards really criticizing a rescue effort???

:wtf: What ever happened to their humanity?
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:45 PM
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16. Seems Like Some Military
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 09:50 PM by CHIMO
Things might have been involved.

Russian sub rising to ocean's surface
Last Updated Sat, 06 Aug 2005 22:31:41 EDT
CBC News

A Russian submarine that has been trapped deep in the Pacific has been freed and is on its way to the surface with seven sailors who had been running out of air, a Russian naval spokesman says.

Capt. Igor Dygalo said a British remote-controlled vehicle had managed to cut the cables that had snarled the mini-submarine on an military antenna about 190 metres below the surface since Thursday.

The British vehicle arrived at the rescue site in Beryozovaya Bay, about 16 kilometres off the peninsula's coast, while the U.S. navy vessels were still on their way. CBC News learned that two divers from the Canadian subsidiary of OceanWorks, which specializes in submarine rescue and deep-sea diving work, had joined the U.S. team.
But officials told the Russian news media on Saturday that it was stuck on an underwater antenna that was part of a coastal monitoring system.


http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/08/06/sub-stuck050806.html
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:47 PM
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17. This international effort puts Condi to shame
More good will now than the State Department could have yielded in its life time.

And it was achieved by good will, identification with all humanity, and positive feelings.

I hope this teaches the arrogant W that more good can be done through understanding and kindness than threats of cowboy justice. Dr. Savage is probably having heart palpitations.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:28 PM
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18. Damn news about this is awful slow.....
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:54 PM
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19. Russian submariners have been rescued alive, reports say
Russian submariners have been rescued alive, reports say
Last Updated Sun, 07 Aug 2005 00:02:34 EDT
CBC News

A Russian submarine that was trapped deep in the Pacific for three days has surfaced and all seven sailors aboard are alive, news reports say.

The men managed to survive despite dwindling oxygen supplies and dropping temperatures, said the Russian news agencies ITAR-Tass and RIA-Novosti, citing Russian naval officials.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/08/06/sub-stuck050806.html

Looks like it was successful.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 12:07 AM
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20. Good. Yes - this is how the world should be run. Empathy & cooperation.
Right you are.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 01:14 PM
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25. Another story said Bush wanted to invade the submarine for its oil...
Hahaha...just joking. But I wouldn't be surprised if he did.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 04:37 AM
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22. "Successful Sub Rescue Doesn't Merit an ALERT on Fox"
From: http://www.newshounds.us/2005/08/07/successful_sub_rescue_doesnt_merit_an_alert_on_fox.php

Successful Sub Rescue Doesn't Merit an ALERT on Fox
When I signed on to the net shortly after 3:00am (EDT) today, I read that the 7 Russian sailors who had been trapped in a sunken sub had been rescued (yippee!). So at 3:15am (EDT) I turned on FNC, just to see how they'd cover this.

A rebroadcast of "Fox Report" was in progress. At 3:38am, Rick Folbaum read teasers including that they were following the story of the 7 trapped submariners (described as "running out of air"). At 4:00am, a rebroadcast of "Heartland" began. Finally, at 4:12am, Carol Iovanna read headlines that include the rescue.

According to the Aug 7 account in the LATimes, "The crew of a Russian mini-submarine trapped for days beneath the Bering Sea was rescued today after a remote-controlled British "Scorpio" underwater craft helped disentangle the vessel from cables and fishing ropes."

Comment: Fox News Live was all over this story last Friday, with much hullaballoo about how the US Navy was rushing to the rescue. But the rescue itself didn't merit even an interruption of a rebroadcast, much less an ALERT.
(snip)

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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 05:51 AM
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23. I've had CNN on for an hour and not a peep about a rescue. n/t
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 01:29 PM
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26. Maybe...
... it's because the "wrong" guys rescued the Russians?


-P
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 01:06 PM
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24. No - the giver of all life is the US army. Otherwise - shut up about
empathy topics that come from somewhere else.
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