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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:06 PM
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Rumsfeld: Iraqi Constitution Could Be Powerful Weapon
An idea proposed by Rep. Jim McGovern at Clark University this past Monday. "Declare victory, and LEAVE IRAQ". Seems when this constitution is adopted would be as good a time as any.

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http://www.dod.gov/news/Aug2005/20050809_2380.html

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Rumsfeld: Iraqi Constitution Could Be Powerful Weapon
By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Aug. 9, 2005 – The new Iraqi constitution "will be a critical step in persuading the majority of Iraqis that the new Iraq is worth fighting for, that they have a stake in it," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said here today.
Iraqi leaders are laboring to finish the draft of their constitution by Aug. 15, Rumsfeld told reporters at a Pentagon news briefing, with Joint Chiefs Chairman Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers at his side. Iraqis will then vote whether or not to approve the document during an Oct. 15 referendum.

"Indeed, their new constitution -- a piece of paper -- could well turn out to be one of the most powerful weapons to be deployed against the terrorists," Rumsfeld said.

The insurgents sense and understand this and are "determined to stop the constitutional process" in Iraq by employing "terror and intimidation," Rumsfeld said.

Insurgents in Iraq could become more active, and violence may increase from now until the December Iraqi elections, the secretary said. However, he added, any uptick in insurgent operations shouldn't be construed as an indicator of their gaining the upper hand.

Rumsfeld pointed out that Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan had launched desperate, sometimes suicidal, attacks against allied forces toward the end of World War II. Yet, "those deadly acts, and they were deadly, proved not to be harbingers of victory," the secretary noted.

"One should be careful not to draw the wrong conclusion" when insurgents in Iraq continue deadly attacks against U.S., coalition and Iraqi forces, Rumsfeld said.

"As long as the Iraqi people persevere, the terrorists cannot win," he said. Myers offered his condolences to the friends and families of U.S. servicemembers who've been killed or wounded during the war. The chairman noted that three landmines set in the road together, and not an improvised explosive device, were responsible for the Aug. 3 explosion that killed 14 Marines traveling in their amphibious assault vehicle near Haditha, Iraq.

The servicemembers' sacrifice wasn't made in vain, Myers emphasized, noting that the political, economic and military campaigns in Iraq are making inroads against the insurgency.

Political progress in Iraq "has met every single planned milestone" since the Iraqis took sovereignty of their country in late June 2004, Myers said. More than 8 million Iraqis voted in free elections in January, he pointed out.

Iraqi security forces "are growing in capacity and capability," Myers said. Today, more than 178,000 Iraqi security forces have been trained and equipped, he said. In the past 24 hours, 29 of the 35 major operations conducted in Iraq were combined U.S.-Iraqi operations, Myers said.

"More and more, coalition forces are turning over responsibilities to the Iraqis," the general pointed out, noting that Iraqi forces are now contracting for their own service support at five major training bases.

On the reconstruction front in Iraq, more than 140 new primary health-care facilities are being built and more than 3,200 schools have been renovated, Myers said, adding that 100,000 teachers are being trained.

Myers said these facts show that Iraqis are "making progress through their own efforts to continue to support the United States of America, our coalition partners and the international community."

The United States and its allies "are committed to continue this battle, this help, until the Iraqis can take responsibility for the security of their own country and a political process has been developed," Myers said.

Defeating the insurgency in Iraq "takes willpower," Myers said, noting "coalition forces continue to have the willpower to take the fight to the enemy."

U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines in Iraq "overwhelmingly see the benefits of this fight," Myers said.

"They believe, as I believe, that it is worth the fight," the general said.

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:09 PM
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1. I won't be worth the paper it's printed on after the place is overrun
by the rebels and civil war. He couldn't possibly believe any of what he is saying, nobody could be that naive.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:54 PM
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19. You mean the Iraqi People will not respect thier own ...
Constitution, written under the eyes of an occupying army?? Shocking!

Rummy and Bush think they will carve it in stone and treat it as the law of God. Plus, the Iraqi People will probably construct some huge memorials like the Pyramids to the Great Men who brought them a constitution - Bush and Rummy !!

If I was in the puppet government, when the Americans pull out, I would grab an original copy of the Iraqi constitution. It could really get some bids on ebay !
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:26 PM
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23. Don't underestimate how much The Don impresses himself. eom
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:14 PM
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2. maybe it'LL be written on magicaL parchment
and that magic can stop suicide car bombs.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:22 PM
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3. I like how the people are going to vote on it.
How are they (us) going to show everybody what's on that paper? Door to door?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:23 PM
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4. "Superlaser could be a powerful weapon..."
nt
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:37 PM
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9. My first thought too-See, they do have powerful weapons!
we were right to attack them.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:26 PM
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5. Yeah, when it gets rammed up Rumsfelds' ass, its gonna hurt
:eyes:
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:27 PM
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6. So, I guess they are going around the MSM
To write their own propaganda. And here I thought the presstitutes were doing a fine job for Rummy and crew.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:31 PM
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7. shut up rumsfeld
you have nothing true or important to add.
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dutchdoctor Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:35 PM
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8. Rummy at it again
"Rumsfeld pointed out that Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan had launched desperate, sometimes suicidal, attacks against allied forces toward the end of World War II. Yet, "those deadly acts, and they were deadly, proved not to be harbingers of victory," the secretary noted."

Yep, the insurgents are desperate alright!

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:51 PM
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12. I Love sorry dino LOSERMANN'S quote
What a shill---- what an ass wipe.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:46 PM
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17. This graphic great, do you have a site? n/t
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:40 PM
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10. What planet is this man living on?
Does he actually believe the nonsense that continues to dribble out of his pie-hole?
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:47 PM
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11. It could be a "powerful weapon" against women's rights in Iraq.
Baghdad - A working draft of Iraq's new constitution would cede a strong role to Islamic law and could sharply curb women's rights, particularly in personal matters like divorce and family inheritance.
http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/printer_072005WA.shtml

I'm sure all these Iraqi women are overjoyed at the prospect of having their rights erode with this new constitution. :sarcasm:
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alkaline9 Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:18 PM
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13. how many of those 8 million voters...
...were female? How much damage to womens rights will they be doing with this new constitution? Makes me SICK!
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 02:22 PM
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21. If the constitution designates Islamic law as the main source of
legislation it will hardly be a move for Iraqi women to embrace since they will experience a decline in their rights that have been in place for decades. Excerpts from the article I linked earlier -

Article 14 would replace a body of Iraqi law that has for decades been considered one of the most progressive in the Middle East in protecting the rights of women, giving them the freedom to choose a husband and requiring divorce cases to be decided by a judge.

The document's writers are also debating whether to drop or phase out a measure enshrined in the interim constitution, co-written last year by the Americans, requiring that women make up at least a quarter of the parliament.


Also, from the article, there are fewer than 10 women on the 71 member committee drafting the constitution.



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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:23 PM
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14. powerful enough 2 make
certain womem R excluded from any government or have any rights.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:26 PM
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15. I heard an audio clip of him saying that yesterday.
I was :rofl: in my car!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:45 PM
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16. "Rumsfeld: Iraqi Constitution Could Be Powerful Toilet Paper"
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 01:47 PM by Ilsa
"The troops have been using peri-anal squeeze bottles, but we think this new constitution will hold up better to all kinds of shit we howler monkeys throw at them.


In order, there is Bush* with his eyes closed, Cheney, center, Rumsfeld, back, with hands over eyes, and Condi in front.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:48 PM
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18. Well, SCIRI just deposed the mayor of Baghdad at gunpoint
That sets the tone for any central government that doesn't toe the line.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:54 PM
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20. I have no doubt about that
After all, hasn't our constitution protected We the People from unreasonable searches and seizures? No? The right to an attorney? No? The right to a speedy trial? No? Security in our personal papers and effects? No? Freedom to speak? No? To assemble? No? To petition the government for redress of grievances? No? Equal treatment under the law? No?

Tell me, Mr. Rumsfeld: Considering the way you and your henchmen have been shredding our wonderful constitution for the last five years, how in the hell do you anticipate that a constitution in Iraq is going to be powerful weapon on behalf of Iraqis?

Asswipe.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 02:27 PM
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22. If you stomp all over it and crumple it up into a ball and throw it,
it becomes a powerful weapon - just like bunkerboy and the repukes do to ours!
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:42 PM
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24. Violence may increase.
...Insurgents in Iraq could become more active, and violence may increase from now until the December Iraqi elections, the secretary said. However, he added, any uptick in insurgent operations shouldn't be construed as an indicator of their gaining the upper hand...

The latest excuse for increased violence. What causes decreased violence?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:42 PM
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25. Oh, great. Now we have to invade them *again*! n/t
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:17 AM
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26. and a POWERFUL PR move for 'politicians' on vacation in TX
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:36 AM
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27. The only way the Iraq constitution could be an effective weapon
is if you chewed it up into spitballs.

:headbang:
rocknation
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