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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:53 PM
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Breaking: explosion and fire at Texas petrochemical plant
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 11:16 PM by Minstrel Boy
So far I've seen only "breaking" banners on Houston news sites:

Crews are on the scene of an explosion and fire at the Amoco Chocolate Bayou plant in Alvin. There are no reports of injuries and no official shelter in place alert. Residents are being advised to stay inside as a precaution.
http://www.khou.com/

The Brazoria County Sheriff's Department is investigating a fire at the Amoco Chocolate Bayou plant along FM 2004. Employees were evacuated; nearby residents are being asked to shelter in place.
http://www.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:55 PM
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1. marketing ploy to raise gas/oil prices?? nt
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jbond56 Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:19 AM
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19. more like minimal maintenance. (its cheaper)
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:23 AM
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20. No unions, no environmental laws, no trial lawyers
no reason to prevent accidents like this from happening

welcome to bush's america

PS. well maybe the plant's employees are union, but if so I doubt they have any clout regarding health and safety issues
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:39 AM
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23. *Exactamundo!* And, great post title, DBoon! n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:55 PM
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2. WTF
there is something amiss.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:59 PM
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5. My Sediments, Exactly!
Too many coincidences. Just like all those odd "identity thefts" sometimes two weekly in various banks, too many to recount (Bank of America, for one) right after that damn Bankruptcy bill against the American public - not Big Business!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:38 PM
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29. Your sediments?
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:46 PM
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31. ( i think you mean "my sentiment" )
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:35 PM
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28. Chemical plants/refineries blow up all the time.
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 01:57 PM by Tesha
You just hear about them more often nowadays thanks to the internet(s).

No, I'm not joking, or being sarcastic. Lots of those places routinely
run *JUST THIS SIDE* of blowing sky high.

Tesha
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:55 PM
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3. How conveeeeeenient ...
This tinfoil hat is getting way too comfy on me.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:57 PM
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4. fill your car tonight nt
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:13 PM
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9. Not unless you use plastic for fuel.
:shrug:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:16 PM
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11. thanks for the info
I'll change the subject line, if I still can, to petrochemical plant.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:00 PM
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6. Last night about this time it was an explosion in a MICHIGAN plant
this is way weeeeeird
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:53 PM
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17. I tried to tell you people last night when the Michigan plant blew..
This has all the earmarks of another Clinton attack on the U.S.
Just like last night Bill is nowhere to be found. Do YOU know where he is? Just as I thought.
The next time this happens, and it will happen again my ditto heads, ask yourself; "Where's Bill?"
God Damn him!
...Would it be so wrong if the dues I pay to DU came from my fantasy fueled meteoric rise to stardom on RW hate radio? I think I can spew 24/7 now. All I have to do is sell my soul to the devil and I get to drive a Hummer!
:puke:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:19 PM
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27. Ya might wanna hold off of the Hummer--at least until the RW hate radio
sponsors start paying.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:17 PM
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35. What the.......?????
So you think Clinton did it?
Totally bizarre.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:02 PM
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7. Remember the Enron tapes : "Burn Baby Burn." well now it's burn
refinery burn. Oh it's looking like Enron all over again, this time they are gaming the oil refineries to halt production, thus rase the price of gas and crude. Oh the joy. Watching the sept contract for crude hit $65 a barral this afternoon was just shameful.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:07 PM
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8. It's a major polypropylene manufacturing facility. (Plastic.)
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 11:12 PM by TahitiNut
A fire there could make lots of toxic smoke. One of the chemicals used in abundance, butadiene, is carcinogenic. That facility is over 2,400 acres in size and produces over 6 billion pounds of polypropylene and polyolefins each year. Huge.
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:16 PM
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10. oh well then thank god that's all it was.
i mean it is houston, for crying out loud.

what's another toxic explosion into the environment?

at least that's what dubya said, wasn't it??
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:28 PM
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34. Will drive up the price of polypropylene
which will eventually filter its way back up to the consumer marketplace.

More fuel price increases = higher transportation & operating costs = more inflation for consumers on all goods and services, as well as higher prices for transporting raw materials.
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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:18 PM
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12. one plant can be an accident
2 is can be a fluke

Now we are at 3 if we don’t count the great big one earlier this year.

Something fishy is going on here. If its terrorists, then Bush & Co can NOT say so, their entire support for the war will evaporate & with it the big industrial military complex profits, due to the "keep the terrorists in the middle east" line the right wingers are parroting.

I don’t think its the oil companies, they have way too much invested in these plants to do this, they would be targeting supply side for "accidents" not refining side.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:30 PM
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13. I could see them doing it if they were in serious financial trouble
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 11:31 PM by alfredo
so they can get the insurance money, but it is not that time. They are making money hand over fist.


What could be happening is the captains of industry are lining their pockets as they cut corners, understaff, fail to upgrade and maintain.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:41 PM
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16. I Think That's Part Of It.
"What could be happening is the captains of industry are lining their pockets as they cut corners, understaff, fail to upgrade and maintain."

I also think something else might be going on here.

Jay
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:36 AM
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26. for years people have been warning that our chemical plants
are at risk. It would be really bad for the bush junta if it was terrorism. Of course it would be worse if we found that accidents declared accidents were indeed terrorism.

If they were terrorism, someone would have taken credit by now.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:38 PM
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15. Highlights For 2005
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:33 AM
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21. John Kerry warned us over and over about the risk of terrorism at chemical
plants during his Presidential campaign.

Bu*h and the republicans never did a damn thing about protecting these plants from a terrorist attack.

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:37 AM
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22. Corporate terrorism
OSHA, what is OSHA!
These bastards ignore OSHA and given the maladminstrations since RayGun
OSHA has been seriously undermanned!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:34 PM
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14. texas City closes and now the Amoco plant this is going
to shoot prices up and bring those Bush polls down farther!!!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:12 AM
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18. if one blows tomorrow, we'll know just how deep the shit is . . .
that we're all standing in . . . roll up the pantlegs -- it's too late to save the shoes! . . .
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tmooses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:54 AM
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24. Welcome to the world of self-regulated corporate safety practices.
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:02 AM
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25. I'm not too far from this
The 10 PM News had very little info, they had crews on the way. No shelter in place ordered, spokesperson would not confirm an explosion, only fire.

This is the BP Amoco Plant....Texas City BP has been quite the boomer lately as well.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:44 PM
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30. These things blow up routinely
Lots of heat and lots of flammable materials. One screw up or one mechanical problem and they go kaboom.

Believe me, they don't want refineries off line right now. They are minting gold
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:03 PM
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32. Insurance will cover the costs of repairs. In the meantime, prices go up
and they'll recoup their lost sales via that.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:17 PM
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33. Fire at BP subsidiary nearly extinguished (3rd explosion in 6 months)
This is the 3rd fire/explosion/incident in a year for this BP plant:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8BTMFF80.html


A small explosion and fire at a chemical plant owned by a subsidiary of BP was nearly extinguished Thursday in the second mishap at a company facility this week.

The explosion and fire in an olefins unit forced the evacuation Wednesday night of employees. A company firefighter was flown to a hospital with heart trouble, said BP spokesman Hugh Depland.

On Wednesday, a heavy oil and gas leak occurred at BP's Gas Oil Hydrotreating Unit in Texas City, one of four units that is now shut down. The leak caused a plume of smoke that covered much of the area and prompted an order for area residents to stay inside.

In March, an explosion at the Texas City plant killed 15 people and injured scores of others. And a blast July 28 happened because contractors installed pipe in the wrong place on the Resid Hydrotreating Unit, leading to a rupture and the release of flammable hydrogen gas.

"It's very unsettling to BP as a company," Depland said. "We like to think that we try to maintain and operate our facilities in a fashion that would keep them at good operating condition."

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:38 PM
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36. OOPS! There goes gas prices! UP! Cha CHING!
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:00 PM
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37. This is the very plant my uncle works at.
He was one of those in charge when this happened.
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