Shots fired near Bush protesters

[ECH1969]

FRUSTRATED local farmer fired shots into the air today near hundreds of protesters who began their second week of demonstrations against the Iraq war outside US President George W Bush's ranch.

Larry Mattlage, who lives next to the Bush ranch where the president is spending a five week vacation, complained about the 200 protesters, media and government security officials occupying the road outside his own residence after firing a rifle into the air several times.

"Five weeks of this is too much. We live here, this is our community," Mattlage said in footage shown by CNN television, while insisting the gunshots were just him "getting ready for dove season".

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16264378-23109,00.html

[Coventina]

1. Where does he get off saying it's been 5 weeks?

:shrug:

[Journeyman]

9. I believe he's looking forward to the end of Shrub's vacation. . .

he's resigned to G Dumbya not addressing the concerns of Cindy Sheehan.

[Coventina]

12. Well, maybe he should be mad at Bush for absudly long vacations!

Doesn't the rest of America generally get only 2 weeks?

What's good enough for the people ought to be good enough for their leaders!

[TankLV]

98. Maybe he should be mad at bunkerboy buying the pig farm & creating this

media circus 5 YEARS AGO!

It's OUR White House, no matter where bunkerboy decides to put it, even if he was never elected in the first place!

[Occulus]

56. I think I read earlier he was angry with * as well

all the activity when he's on vacation.

[zanne]

71. Typical rightwing reaction...

When you find yourself losing an argument, shoot something.

[DesEtoiles]

2. Thanks, Larry, for keeping this at the top of the news cycle-thank God tha

that no one was injured.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

3. Just getting ready for dove season? Like peace doves

perhaps?

I am so sick of this sort of shit.

[Arkana]

4. Alllllll right...so your reaction to loud protestors is to fire a gun

into the air several times? You need anger management therapy, not dove season.

[daleo]

5. He gets to fire guns next door to the pig farm?

One might think there would be a policy against this. Just how far away is the pig farm from this guy's property?

[Journeyman]

13. Dumbya's pig farm is ~16 acres. . .

this guys farm is ~90 acres. I'd say he's quite a distance from the pig farm, but even at that, I can't imagine the Secret Service hasn't spoken to him about hunting or even shooting on his own property when Shrub's in town.

[Gato Moteado]

16. i read somewhere that chimpy's pig farm is 1600 acres

is it really only 16 acres? seems small for a greedy pig like bush.

[Journeyman]

20. I'm sorry. I believe you're right. . . it's ~1600 acres. . .

[daleo]

24. 1600 acres is about 3 square miles

So, taking the square root of that gives about 1.7 linear miles per side. If the Shrub mansion is about in the center, that would be about .85 miles. Add .15 miles for this fellow's 90 acres and that gives about a mile from his place to the chimp house.

Firing a gun within a mile or so of the president could get you a one way ticket to Gitmo these days, if they didn't like your politics. They will probably make an exception for him, since he was antagonistic to people who are against Bush.

[enough]

23. Where I live, people fire guns into the air all the time.

Rural/suburban SE PA. Strong hunting tradition.

[John Q. Citizen]

40. I live in rural/suburban MT and it's the same. Ain't no big deal, IMHO.

People can shoot on their property if they want to or on public lands open to hunting or target shooting.

to the shocked city dwellers, we have a lower per capita gun injury/death rate than most other states, although there is a problem with suicide.

[JoFerret]

111. Does the NRA

support the use/ ownership of rocket propelled grenades? And how far do they shoot?

[John Q. Citizen]

114. I don't know. I'm not a member and I've never even seen an

RPG except in the pictures from Iraq.

It wouldn't suprise me though.

[OrwellwasRight]

43. Hunters know (or ought to know) a little about physics,

specifically acceleration. Bullets come down with roughly the speed they were fired with. People regularly get killed on New Year's Eve when bullets fired toward the sky come back to earth.

I would hope such behavior has a little more care for the lives of others than randomly firing into the air near a crowd of people who "happen" to be pissing you off camping on the side of the road.

The fact that "everyone's doing it" doesn't necessarily make such shooting safe.

[Silverhair]

48. Perhaps you should learn more about both guns and physics.

The firearm was a shotgun. Shotguns are usually fired into the air when shooting at birds. Birdshot is tiny, quickly slowed by air resistance, and falls to earth slow enough that there is no injury if you are hit by a falling pellet, as I have been.

Solid bullets from a rifle, or a shotgun slug are a different matter because of the greater mass and streamlining. They can be dangerous.

This is not to defend the farmer's obvious attempt to intimidate.

[OrwellwasRight]

50. I do know this:

My dad used to hunt, with both a rifle and a shotgun, and he would never have even considered shooting either gun just for kicks. He didn't feel it was safe, and I will follow his lead.

I also know this: every year when they interview the idiot who kills his neighbor somehwere in America, he always says something like, "Bullets only go fast when they go up in the air. I thought it would just float back to earth." Or some such similar nonsense that is no excuse for killing or endangering somebody.

I admit I do not know how many guns this guy has or of what type; nor do I know what type of guys or ammo the people who may be coming to his land to join him in shooting have. Therefore, I think a little caution would be appropriate when the comment I am responding to says "we shoot in the air all the time," with the implication that there is nothing dangerous about it. There can be lots dangerous about it (although I am glad you have not had that experience yourself).

Just because somebody owns a gun doesn't mean it is always appropriate to use it. If the NRA could recognize this simple fact, they might get more traction from the non-gun crowd.

[Silverhair]

51. The NRA does recognize that fact.

There is a huge difference between falling birdshot and falling bullets.

The NRA does regard shooting into the air as potentially dangerous, unless you know that downrange is safe.

Perhaps you should learn what the NRA's actual positions are, instead of anti-gunner misrepresentation of the NRA safety positions.

You do have to shoot into the air if you are trying to hit a flying dove or skeet. I bet you didn't know that - did you?

However, in this incident, it was obvious that the guy is trying to intimate the protesters and may have broken some other laws. That would be a close call. I do not support what he is doing, but at the same time we should have our information on guns correct.

[OrwellwasRight]

53. Of course you have to shoot in the air if what you are shooting is flying

or is a clay pigeon. I never said anything different. That is not the same as randomly shooting over a crowd for threats or kicks or because "everybody does it."

Oh and which part of "from my cold dead hands" and "all assault weapons should be legal and unregistered" implies that that guns might everbe used in an unsafe manner ?? If someone I knew and loved was killed with a firearm, I would certainly want law enforcement to have some chance of tracing the weapon, and that in itself is enough to justify registration.

I have been to the NRA website and seen its advocacy for concealed weapons, for manufacturer liability, for legal assault weapons, and against the Brady law and any other attempt to know who has guns.

Sounds like you are intimately familiar with the NRA, but if not try these links:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=158
http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=885
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=60
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=141

Other than Eddie the Eagle (who purports to teach children gun safety), the NRA does appear to advocate all guns all the time. And I am not sure how much it even believes the Eddie the Eagle stuff, given the pro-gun propaganda it circulated after that six-year old killed his classmate several years ago.

It sounds to me like you are upset that I said it is dangerous to shoot "up in the air." You can put words in my mouth all you like, but I never said that Shrub's neighbor shouldn't have a gun. I did say it is not safe to randomly shoot guns over crowds of people. If you want to stand around angry people with guns, be my guest. I won't, and I will advise my friends and loved ones to stay out of the zone of fire as well. My dad taught me to respect the danger of guns, not to mock those who advocate safety.

However, since I have gotten into these gun discussions before and know how they devolve into flame-wars, I will be happy to read your response, but I won't be replying again in this thread.

Cheers.

On edit: Fixed html code and two typos and added this:

When you say that "we should have our information on guns correct," you should re-read my first post, which I think is the whole problem we are having. Every comment I made was about BULLETS, not BIRDSHOT (I never said nor implied anything about birdshot), and it was in response to, not the first post, but to a comment that said " Where I live, people fire guns into the air all the time. Rural/suburban SE PA. Strong hunting tradition." My entire original post was about how hunters do know or should know about the behavior of bullets b/c it is not necessarily as safe as the post implies to just shoot "into the air." So perhaps "we should have our information on what is being referred to correct" before we go around correcting people for mistakes they did not make.

[Silverhair]

55. In what direction did he shoot?

If he shot over the crowd he may have committed a crime. If he shot in a different, but safe, direction then his action, while stupid and reprehensible, may be legal.

Now about some of your other items:

Must issue CCW permits. If I can pass the test, and I have a completely clean record, what is wrong with allowing me to be armed to protect myself against street crime. CCW states have NOT become the Wild West shoot outs that the anti-gunners feared. And the have been very few incidents of CCW holders misusing their guns, and there have been numerous incidents of self-defense. In states with CCWs, violent crime against people has gone down, although crimes against property have gone up. (Muggers switching to stealth burglary.)

Manufacturer liability. If you misuse a Ford automobile and hurt someone, should Ford be sued or should you. The fact is that the anti-gunners have been attempting to drive the gun manufactures out of business by making them defend against numerous lawsuits. And you should consider the precedent that will be set if one of those suits does win. Then everytime anything bad happens involving any manufactured product, the manufacturer will be sued. If someone stabs another, then the knife maker will be sued.

Assault weapons. Genuine assault weapons have been tightly regulated since 1934. All the AWB did was go after guns that cosmetically looked like military style weapons, but had internal functions of regular semi-auto arms. And it limited magazine capacity.

I did not put words in your mouth. I used the words that you posted. You made a blanket statement that does not hold true for all cases.

[MrBenchley]

61. Helluva poster boy you got there....

"CCW states have NOT become the Wild West shoot outs that the anti-gunners feared."
If you don't count the thousands shot and wounded every day. And remember, the bogus claim by the NRA was that handing out pistol permits like candy was supposed to decrease crime, which was a deliberate FRAUD.

"And you should consider the precedent that will be set if one of those suits does win."
Gun manufacturers might have to behave responsibly and be subject to the same liability laws as every other company in America.

And for the record, Ford would be liable to be sued if it distributed cars as irresponsibly as Sun Myung Moon distributes the handguns his company makes.

"All the AWB did was go after guns that cosmetically looked like military style weapons"
That's not true in any way, shape or form...but let's pretend it is for a second. If that's the case, why does any gun owner need "cosmetics" on his gun? Why not just make mean faces and tape a sign reading "scary looking gun" to your plinker?

[Silverhair]

67. I am not using him for a poster boy.

I have already stated that I find his actions reprehensible, and that he may have broken some other laws.

I am objecting to much of the wrong gun information being posted.

"If you don't count the thousands shot and wounded every day." Thousands??? Talk about hype & fraud! And CCWs are NOT handed out like candy. One has to pass a strict background check and attend classes and pass tests to get a CCW.

Guns makers will still be subject to the same liability laws as everyone else. If a defect in my gun causes it to injure me, I can sue. But if a third party misuses a gun, and the gun functions as it was designed to, then there can't be a suit. (If the bill passes the house.)

The AWB was a cosmetics bill. For example, the TEC-9 had the threads removed from the barrel and was sold as the AB-10. Otherwise it was the EXACT SAME GUN.


"why does any gun owner need "cosmetics" on his gun?" Why does anybody need anything? Why do some cars, have spoilers, racing stripes, and mag wheels - even if the car only has a normal engine? Why do clothes have to have different styles? Wouldn't it be cheaper to dress everybody in a Mao suit? I guess you just have a problem with people being free to make their own decisions about cosmetic items. If a person wants a scary looking gun, and the internal functioning is the same, then that's their freedom.

[MrBenchley]

75. He's exactly the sort the NRA appeals to...

"he may have broken some other laws."
But thanks to the mess the GOP and NRA have made in Texas together, he didn't break any gun laws...even though he's clearly an irresponsible drunk who ought not to be armed.

"One has to pass a strict background check and attend classes and pass tests to get a CCW."
In most states that have passed these imbecilic laws, applicants need only spend a few hours at a shooting gallery. And if the background check can't get completed in time, the dimwit gets his pistol permit anyway...and tough luck for public safety.

"Guns makers will still be subject to the same liability laws as everyone else."
Not even close to true...or they wouldn't need this disgraceful bill.

"For example, the TEC-9 had the threads removed from the barrel and was sold as the AB-10. Otherwise it was the EXACT SAME GUN."
Wow....so the gun industry evaded the law and went on selling assault weapons anyway...sure convinces me they're the sort of responsible upright citizens who deserve special immunity from lawsuits....NOT.

"If a person wants a scary looking gun, and the internal functioning is the same, then that's their freedom."
But of course, if the claim that the ban covered only "scary looking guns" was just so much horseshit, then we'd expect a lame answer like that.

[Silverhair]

77. The AB-10 OBEYED the law.

I don't have enough details on the Crawford incident to make a judgment on if he broke any other laws or not. I can't address that any further. I pretty much like the gun laws of Texas.

No, the gun industry didn't evade the law. They obeyed it. The law required them to remove the threads from the barrel of the TEC - 9. They did that.

If the law requires me to drive at or slower than 70 on an interstate, and I drive exactly 70, I have not evaded the law. I have obeyed it.

You seem to have trouble understanding what it means to obey the law. The laws sets parameters, and I have the right to come exactly up to the edge of the parameter of said law if I want to.

What items of the AWB (Other than magazine capacity) had any relationship to the functioning of the weapon?

[MrBenchley]

78. The AB-10 evaded the law

and shows what irresponsible thugs the gun industry is.

"You seem to have trouble understanding what it means to obey the law."
You seem to have trouble with such elementary concepts as "responsiblity" and "public safety".

"I pretty much like the gun laws of Texas."
Says it all....it's okay for drunks to shoot guns off to try to intimidate others because they're standing on their own property....

[Silverhair]

79. It was still LEGAL.

Legal means you obeyed the law. That some people didn't like it makes no difference. Legal is legal.

If you want me to slow down in a certain area, and a laws puts the limit there at 30mph, then I have NOT evaded the law by going 30. I have obeyed it. You may have wanted me to not drive at all, but that is not what the law stated.

Obeying the law is obeying the law, NOT evading it.

[MrBenchley]

80. It evaded the law

"Legal means you obeyed the law."
And "evaded" means you evaded it.

"Obeying the law is obeying the law"
And behaving both irresponsibly and dishonestly is SOP for the corrupt gun industry...

[Silverhair]

83. The law said, "Remove the threads"

They removed the threads. They obeyed the law.

[MrBenchley]

86. The law said "no assault weapons"

But hey, guess it IS too much to expect a gun company to behave in aa responsible, law-abiding manner...

[Silverhair]

88. And then the law defined what an assault weapon was.

When the gun makers removed those features that the law said made the guns assault weapons, then they were no longer assault weapons. The law was obeyed.

If the law says "No speeding" and defines speeding as exceeding 70mph, then if I reduce my speed from 75 to 70, I have obeyed the law, not evaded it.

The law did NOT address the inner working of any of the guns in question. It only addressed some outward features, such as threads on barrels, pistol grips stocks, bayonet lugs, etc. Take those off, and by law it was no longer an assault weapon.

[MrBenchley]

90. And then the manufacturers evaded the law...

But if you want to pretend otherwise, feel free....

[Silverhair]

91. How is obeying the law evading the law? NT

[MrBenchley]

92. How is evading the law anything but evading the law?

Except in the desperate world of the trigger-happy....

[mknmehappy]

82. irresponsible drunk?

Where did you get this from?

[MrBenchley]

87. Hell-ooo......

Not only an irresponsible drunk...but "underneath the law"...

By the way, his neighbor pResident Weakenstupid is an irresponsible drunk too....

[mknmehappy]

97. irresponsible drunk

Was the guy drunk? Where did you get this from?

[MrBenchley]

99. Yeah, he was drunk AND irresponsible

[mknmehappy]

102. Drunk?

So did he get arrested for being drunk and shooting? This is the first that I heard he was drunk, I can't find anything else stating this?

[MrBenchley]

104. Drunk...

"did he get arrested for being drunk and shooting"
Of course not...it's Texas, with some of the stupidest gun laws in the nation...

[mknmehappy]

106. Drunk?

Gun laws aside, was he drunk? Yes or no? If he was drunk, than that is a whole seperate issue.

[MrBenchley]

108. Drunk....and on Keystone Light, too...

[mknmehappy]

115. So he wasn't drunk, he was just being an idiot

No alcohol was involved, you just spun it that way, the guy was just being an idiot.

[MrBenchley]

116. No, he was being a drunken idiot....

"Keystone Light is 4.2% alcohol by volume..."

http://www.alabev.com/beer_keystone_light.htm

[mknmehappy]

118. He was not drinking though.

This is your fabrication, he was being an idiot, but was not drinking.

[MrBenchley]

58. Here's the NRA's actual position...

A bunch of crap from the Washington Times pumnping the fuehrer's phony war....

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=6275

"we should have our information on guns correct"
They're toys for imbeciles like Larry....

[TX-RAT]

74. The idiot knew more about what he's talking about ,than you do.

You do realize that a bullet fired straight up into the air, will come to a complete stop. From that point it will free fall at a rate of about 300 feet per second or terminal velocity for it's shape and weight.

A rifle held perfectly parallel to the ground at 3 feet, fires a 150 grain round at 3000 ft/per sec.

At the exact same time, a identical projectile weighing 150 grains is dropped, from the same height.

Which hits the ground first?

[enough]

112. Please note that I said "people shoot guns into the air all the time."

I did NOT say "we shoot guns into the air all the time."

I was reporting a sociological fact. This is very common behavior in the rural-suburban area where I live. I was not condoning it or saying that "there is nothing dangerous about it." Please read the post you are replying to more carefully.

The fact is, I don't like it. I think it is dangerous and stupid and annoying. I don't necessarily read a political message into it every time it happens, except in the most cosmic sense.


Also, to reply to your post below, I have in fact lived through the devastation caused by "gun-nut violence" in a personal way. I know what it means. I share your concern about it. I also feel we have to live with the fact that many non-nuts use guns in our culture.

[OrwellwasRight]

113. You are right. In fact the post of yours that I responded to

reads completely "value free" to me. I can't tell your attitude toward the shooting in the air; you just report it. To me, it is the kind of post that cries out for a reply! :-)

Since I did and do have an attitude toward such shooting (apparently the same as yours), I decided to add my two cents, as I tend to do on DU, and also as a public service to folks who may not be familiar with the danger of bullets falling out of the sky and hurting people.

The remainder of my comments were directed at Silverhair and his posts because he seemed more intent on proving that shooting up into the air is not dangerous.

I'm sorry to have caught you in the crossfire. My comments were not directed at you.

However, I stand by them (and if you read them, you will see that I myself grew up with a non-nut who used a gun; I support that; what I do not support is an irrational denial that any gun is dangerous or that any gun owner shouldn't carry and use his gun however he pleases in any time or place).

[enough]

119. Hey, thanks!

[tabasco]

93. The article says rifle. n/t

[Silverhair]

107. They don't know a rifle from a shotgun.

Do some googling on it. You will find it was a shotgun.

[TX-RAT]

69. Are you sure?

Are you saying that a projectile fired at 3000 feet per second, into the air, returns at the same speed?
Hope you don't work for NASA.

[OrwellwasRight]

72. I don't.

I did however take physics and I understand the basic rules of acceleration and know that friction does not slow bullets down enough to allow them to float harmlessly to earth.

I also take the risk of dying by gun-nut seriously.


http://www.lapdonline.org/bldg_safer_comms/holiday_safety_tips/new_years_gunfire.htm
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a950414b.html
http://goaskgrandpa.com/sample13.htm

[Megahurtz]

95. Sheez...

I've always heard that it's very dangerous to fire a gun into the air, because where do those bullets land?

:shrug: Maybe on someone's head?

[leftchick]

59. the SS paid him a visit after his stunt

at least that is what NBC news reported last night.

[MrBenchley]

62. Sad to say

Because of the disgraceful way the NRA and the Republican party have written Texas' gun laws, there was nothing they could do to take away this loony's guns until he actually shoots someone. He can be a public nuisance all he likes.

[TX-RAT]

68. It's going to get worse

Dove season starts the first of Sept. It's fixing to get a lot louder around there. He can shoot anytime he wants as long as it's on his property, or property he has permission to be on. He can go right up to the fence line and shoot. If that happens to be by the protesters, theres nothing can be done about it.

[daleo]

81. If he killed anyone, he would still be guilty of murder, I think

Depending on circumstances, maybe just manslaughter. And a civil suit would also be likely. Just because you are on your own property when firing a gun doesn't mean you aren't supposed to be careful of where the bullets go.

[TX-RAT]

101. Absolutely, he shoots, or shoots at someone, he's going to jail.

Nothing can be done about him shooting on his own place, even if it's to intimidate, and scare.

[icymist]

6. Check out this thread on the GD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4348643&mesg_id=4348643

[DemoTex]

7. He actually said "five days." I saw the goober on NBC Nightly News.

He then said something about how having your brother-in-law as a house guest for five days would stink too. NBC said that he fired a shotgun and that the Secret Service paid him a little visit.

[Barrett808]

15. I'd expect the Secret Service to take a dim view of this n/t

[leftchick]

63. I saw the goober too

:crazy:

[Gabi Hayes]

8. notice where the story comes from?

not on this continent, not in this hemisphere

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. It's been on CNN all day

There have been lots of threads on this story.

[Stirk]

10. I wonder if Larry would think a 5 week pro-Bush demostration was

"just too much"?

[LibDemAlways]

11. Why isn't Mattlage publically urging his cretin neighbor

to speak with Cindy and end the protest? Seems to me this would be just the "out" the chimp needs. He could explain to the press that he gave Cindy five precious minutes of his time out of consideration for his neighbors.

[Whoa_Nelly]

14. And where did those bullets land

that were shot into the air? This guy is going to end up hurting someone. Bullets have to come down somewhere.

[Silverhair]

49. Shotgun pellets, NOT bullets.

Big difference. Birdshot is harmless when it falls to the ground. After all, shots at flying birds are always aimed upwards. Bet you didn't know that you had to shoot UP to hit a flying bird, did you?

[MrBenchley]

60. So where did THOSE pellets land?

"Bet you didn't know that you had to shoot UP to hit a flying bird"
Are you kidding? Only NRA members are too stupid to know that...

"A Chillicothe man remained hospitalized Tuesday after he was shot in the head during Monday's opening day of turkey-hunting season.
The Jackson County Sheriff's Office said Ross Cremeans Jr. was setting up a decoy when another hunter took the decoy as a turkey and shot him. "

http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/taah-sh-20050419.html


"A 35-year-old Campbellsport man was treated for facial injuries on Christmas Eve after he was hit in the face by the spray of a shotgun shell while hunting with his son, according to a Fond du Lac County Sheriff’s Department report.
The man told sheriff’s deputies he was rabbit hunting with his 12-year-old son on land in the Campbellsport area.
The man said his son fired at a rabbit and he instantly felt a burning and stinging sensation on his face, according to the report. "

http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/taah-sh-20041228-3.html

"An Onslow County man was hit in the chest with a shotgun pellet Tuesday afternoon in an apparent hunting accident, Sheriff Ed Brown said.
Larry Batchelor, 35, of the Nine Mile Road area, was hunting with a group of people in the Five Mile Road area at about 2:20 p.m. Tuesday, Brown said in a written release.
"Someone shot at a deer, and a stray pellet struck Larry Batchelor," said Col. Mark Shivers of the Sheriff's Department. "

http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/taah-sh-20041230.html

[Silverhair]

65. ALL of those were DIRECT fire, NOT falling pellets.

Of course you would not be expected to know the difference.

[MrBenchley]

66. And not up in the air, either...

The "gun rights" movement has a swell poster boy in Larry here....

"Of course you would not be expected to know the difference."
I know the difference between fact and the right wing paranoid horseshit that the NRA peddles to its inbred members....

[BrightKnight]

109. bird-shot rain is harmless

Bird-shot rain is harmless. I have beed rained on many times.

Dove and Quail hunting is done with very fine #7 or #8 shot. This enables you to put a lot of shot in the air to hit a small moving target at close range. Dove are very small and it does not take much to bring one down.

A level shot with bird-shot at a long distance could take out an eye. A level shot at close range could be fatal.

--

Turkey, Rabbit, and deer are hunted with larger shot. I would not shoot #6 or larger shot anywhere near other people. ( The smaller the number the larger the shot. )

[ecoflame]

120. Right....

I'm not hunter although I once shot at my brother with a pellet gun. We used it for various & sundry 'things' around our farm.

You can't shoot something as small as a dove with a shotgun shell for those who wouldn't know or don't think about such things.

[uppityperson]

17. Dupe dupe dupity dupe

[DesEtoiles]

18. I'll wager this guy knows a lot about premature uncontrolled shots

[Warren DeMontague]

27. Not to mention being, quote, "FRUSTRATED". nt

[Desertrose]

19. People ...this is a BIG chance to connect with this guy...in a good way

We have an incredible opportunity to turn this around!


See this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4350586&mesg_id=4350586



Show him what l true Americans/Liberals/Dems are REALLY like.

Folks this is a really BIG BIG chance to make things BETTER...not worse. A little kindness goees a LONG way these days.

and yes...we do NOT want it to get ugly and I think a lot of it is up to "us"
Peace is winning out...lets keep at it

DR

[G_j]

22. right on

Peace starts with each and every interaction/relationship, and that is what this whole thing is about, peace.

thank you DR!
:hug:

[Desertrose]

33. This is the perfect place to begin, isn't it??

:hi: G_j:hug::loveya::pals:
DR

[G_j]

37. absolutely

a "teachable moment"
as someone said, Peace is not just something we work towards, not only a way of life, it IS the way. (or something like that :-) )

:hug::loveya::pals::hi:

[BrightKnight]

110. Send him a case of beer and

Send him a case of beer and an invitation to use the port-a-potties.

[understandinglife]

26. Totally agree with you DR. And, I think Cindy Sheehan is exactly ...

... the person to convert each of these ugly situations into positive messages. She has already done it several times.

Peace.

[Desertrose]

32. thanks ...I think Cindy is awesome and the perfect person for one on one

I also think we need to do what we can here to make people aware of the opportunity we have to reach this man in a GOOD way.

Yes. PEACE
:grouphug:
DR

[understandinglife]

39. You are leading that aspect of the effort very effectively, DR. Thank you.

Peace.

[Desertrose]

45. can't really make it to Crawford, so I do what I can ...

thanks :)

and Peace.

(damn...feels so good to say tht with hope, doesn't it??)

[Canuckistanian]

21. Firing guns into the air in Iraq will get you bombed.

But it's permissible in Texas.

[havocmom]

25. probably depends who's doin the shootin!

Would find it unlikely the SS would let anybody in Camp Casey do that.

[Olney Blue]

28. Just what relatives of killed soldiers need....

gun shots going off randomly to keep them on edge.

He'd better watch out, or Barney's gonna sic 'im.

[progressivebydesign]

29. Hope he's enjoying his money from NBC.

Couldn't be too ticked off at the media, could he? I mean.. he's making money. And remember, it's not like this guy has a little front yard and they're camped in it. He has 90 acres and they are NOT on his property.

[onehandle]

30. You have a President next door.

If you didn't move when he bought the pig/dirt farm, you have nothing to complain about.

Tell Bush to leave. He turned your lives upside down. In many ways.

[Gregorian]

31. Hey mister, try to imagine what the Iraqis feel like.

No, he can't imagine what it's like to have no medical, no power, no water, random arrests, bombs being dropped.

Your little problem will be gone as soon as your neighbor gets off his ass and listens to what they have to say.

[Erika]

34. Excellent point

Especially the children.

[sam sarrha]

57. Or the Palestinians who got their asses kicked of their own land and live

OUTSIDE the fence....:shrug:

[rocktivity]

35. Cindy should go over and talk to him

it's more than Bush would do.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Desertrose]

38. what a great opportunity to make liberals look GOOD, ya know??

and Cindy could probably make a difference.

[Tesla]

41. Killing Doves

What a metaphor.....

[NCPatriot]

42. Wonder if he was in the National Guard in Ohio years ago? N/T

[leesa]

44. So the asshole's answer is to fire a gun?

Right wing rednecks are disgusting people.

[slay]

46. Five weeks is too much Larry? Wonder how the Iraqi's feel?

We've been invading their space for YEARS now. He's pissed about 5 weeks. American's are soooooo spoiled. They need to quit encouraging stupidity down there in Texas.

[DeepModem Mom]

47. kick

[sintax]

52. Nice headline(YeeHaw!) Mom's Protest Riles Gun-Toting Neighbor

Mom's Protest Riles Gun-Toting Neighbor

Monday August 15, 2005 4:01 AM

By ANGELA K. BROWN

Associated Press Writer

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) - Undaunted by counter rallies and even a neighbor's gunshot blasts into the air, a woman whose son died in Iraq said Sunday that she will continue her anti-war demonstration near President Bush's ranch for three more weeks.

``We can't give up, no matter hard it gets,'' said Cindy Sheehan of Vacaville, Calif. She started the protest Aug. 6 in memory of her 24-year-old son Casey, an Army specialist killed in Iraq last year.

Her makeshift campsite along the road leading to the Western White House has grown to more than 100, and hundreds more have stopped by for a few hours to show their support. Sheehan says she won't leave ``Camp Casey'' until Bush meets with her and other grieving families or until his monthlong ranch visit ends.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5210601,00.html

[Cha]

54. This jerk lives near bush..

deal with it.

[SoCalDem]

64. FIVE YEARS OF THIS IS TOO MUCH>>> WE LIVE HERE !

go polish your gun, Larry:(

[henslee]

70. Farmer fires gun????Arrest that hick fuck, now --- WTF???

[underpants]

73. "getting ready for dove season".

;-)

I get the joke asshat

[TX-RAT]

76. It starts September 1st, in most county's.

[Weembo]

84. What type of gun was he shooting?

The article says a rifle -- I hunt -- a lot -- and haven't met too many dove hunters who hunt with rifles. If it was a shotgun, it makes sense. Otherwise, how do you get ready for dove season by shooting a rifle?

[jokerman93]

85. Five weeks of this is too much?

How about five years of Bush lies? Three years of genocide, carnage and piracy against a sovereign nation. Five years of pillaging the national treasury, pig-trough war profiteering, and undermining the freedoms and rights guaranteed to the American people by the Constitution!?

Five weeks is too much for you? Why, you redneck Texas freeper wimp!
You can stick your weapon where the sun don't shine and pull the trigger again. Americans of conscience aren't going away.

Get over it!

[MrBenchley]

89. Great comment by my friend this AM...

"Wow...two mindless drunks as neighbors. Who'd a thunk it?"

[Megahurtz]

94. Well Shit Howdy!

"Ye better getcher hides off mah proppity NAOW afor Ah blow ye-all tah smithereenes"

:sarcasm:

[GoldenOldie]

96. "On the Wings of a Dove"

Song written by Sonny James and sung by Christian Folk such as Amy Lou Grant, Entertainers on the Grand Old Opery and in many of the South, Southwest church communities.

On the wings of a snow-white dove, He sends his pure sweet love

A sign from above on the wings of a dove.

When trouble surrounds us, When evils come.

The body grows weak, The spirit grows numb.

When these things beset us, He doesn't forget us.

He sends down his love on the wings of a dove.



It's beautiful song and there are many more verses but this seems to fit Cindy Sheehan to a Tee. Wonder if Goat Rancher in Crawford sings this in his church or at the neighbor get togethers.

[MrBenchley]

100. Yosemite Larry...

"Back off, ah say!"

[ecoflame]

103. Jeezus! That's him,

officer....I said that's him!

Now, I gotta go change my pants.

[MrBenchley]

105. Bob Boudelang's cousin Larry

Did you catch the incoherent "underneath the law" comment?

[whatever4]

117. Well if he likes shooting...

Seems like he ought to head on out to Iraq his own damn self. Save someone ELSES son, if he feels so strongly about war protests. Put up, or shut up. Jerk. Go shoot some doves already.