Killeen shootings leave four dead, one injured (soldier involved)

[Horse with no Name]

http://www.kcentv.com/news/c-article.php?cid=1&nid=7792

Soldier Dead After Stand-Off with Police
The other shooting in Killeen involved a Fort Hood soldier and happened in the 2600 block of Lazy Ridge around 9:30 Monday night.

Killeen Police say 24-year-old soldier Marcus Charles Johnson broke into a house. He then took a 21-year-old woman, believed to be his estranged wife, and a 2-year-old child hostage as police arrived at the scene.

The standoff lasted about four hours. When police finally gained entrance to the house, they found the woman shot in the head. She was airlifted to Scott & White Hospital in Temple in critical condition.

The 2-year-old was not injured.

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1. it didn't happen at a mcdonaLds

woah, fLashback.

[jobycom]

5. You're thinking of Luby's Cafeteria. That was my first thought on seeing

the headline.

The McDonald's shooting was in San Ysidro, CA.

[bemildred]

6. Yeah, the cross-vandalizer up in Crawford had me thinking of that.

Same sort of anger management issues.
Luby's is not a bad place to eat, for a fast-food place.

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2. Violence against families by service men has always been high

compared to non service families.

This just isn't usually talked about -- now that the US is at "war" perhaps this problem will get more attention.

I can't tell you how many times I watched men drag their wives out of the house and beat them on the front lawn. NO one did a thing to stop these idiots. This was on a military base and I was just a kid -- and I knew that this was WRONG. But a kid can do nothing. Except I am now an adult I will speak out about the violence that happens when the men return from a tour.

The most dangerous time for a woman is when she leaves her abuser -- and this is perhaps why so many women "choose" to remain with their abuser.

[Horse with no Name]

3. Absolutely true.

These prolonged deployments and PTSD can't be healthy for any previously healthy relationship, either.

[HawkerHurricane]

4. If you teach a young man...

to solve problems with violence, don't be surprised when he uses violence to try to solve problems.

Add to this the part where most young men really aren't ready for the responsibilities of marraige, and when they find out they're hitched to a real live human being with wants and desires of her own instead of that image in thier mind...

OK, no excuses. Just saying.

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7. You are correct about this

when the young men are deployed -- it is a boy's club -- plus there is a chain of command. When they return home they expect the same sort of well ordered life and family life with young kids is pure chaos.

The best film that begins to show what life in a military family is like is The Great Santini.

The airplane -- your sig line. My dad was attached to the very last squadron to fly those folding wing planes in Vietnam. Every single plane returned home -- neither plane nor pilot was lost. The jets were easier to shoot down -- according to my dad.

Also -- I lived on base and to get home I had to pass by rows and rows of the parked planes. The real shooting war was made real by the bullet holes still evident all over the body of the planes.

[HawkerHurricane]

8. The plane in my sig...

is a Hawker Hurricane IIb. Made famous during the Battle of Britain in 1940, it was already obsolecent. None were flown by the USAF, nor were any flown in Vietnam.

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9. It didn't look like the wings could fold up -- which is

necessary for stacking planes on air craft carriers -- I do remember that those planes at Alameda were really old -- probably left over from WWII.

The planes were all lined up -- wings folded -- with bullet holes. When you see what a bullet can do to an airplane -- and with the number of bullets in the windshield -- it's amazing that all the planes returned to the carrier and to the airbase.

At one time I could recognize planes -- and name them. But only Navy planes.

[HawkerHurricane]

11. Rereading my post...

I really shouldn't post after taking my meds. I sound cranky.

Let's see, Propeller plane in VietNam...



This look familiar? A-1 Skyraider, built too late for WW2, they served in Vietnam. Tough, manuevable, they were used for ground support and as part of the Air Force's pilot rescue teams.

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10. My father served in the RAF

he called the Hurricane the "Hurribus" apparently they weren't as fast or maneouverable as the Spitfire but they could take some punishment.

Sorry for the thread drift.

[HawkerHurricane]

12. Salute to your Father.

"Hurris" lacked the capabilities of the Spit, but were easier to manufacture... there were larger numbers of them and they were 'good enough'.

(I feel like the 'Hurri' sometimes. Not as good as the first line fighters, but 'good enough'.)