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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:20 PM
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Salon: Cracks in the Fortress? (judy and nyt)
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/08/17/times_miller/index.html

You're going to have to watch the ad, but it's worth it.

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But numerous staffers also have told Salon that Miller's legal saga has become a burden, and not just for the paper's 12-person in-house legal team, which has been swamped by her case. Troubling many staffers is the dark cloud of unanswered questions about Miller's reporting and role in the Plame affair. Some at the Times contend that Miller has drawn unwanted attention to the paper at a time when it is still healing after the Jayson Blair fiasco dealt a body blow to its credibility. "It is a big bet for the paper," one reporter who requested anonymity said of the Times' unyielding support for Miller. "The paper chose to make this into something to fight to the death. It may have possible negative consequences for the paper's image when people are spending an enormous amount of time and energy on the credibility of the paper." Although several Times staffers were willing to offer criticism of the paper, none would do so on the record for fear of retaliation.

The grumblings inside the Times have grown louder as more questions have been raised about the scope and nature of Miller's role in "Plamegate." Many of Miller's colleagues are unclear about exactly whom or what Miller is protecting. In the face of limited information, some speculation has surfaced that Miller is only pretending to protect a source to divert attention from her past problems. No proof exists that the theory is true.

More prominently, a recent report that Miller met with I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, less than a week before Robert Novak outed former CIA agent Valerie Plame in a 2003 column has added to the speculation over what role Miller may have played in the leak of Plame's identity. The theory being peddled on the Huffington Post and elsewhere in the lefty blogosphere has Miller not on the receiving end of information from an administration leaker about Plame's identity, but as the one disseminating information about Plame to administration officials. This is just a theory, of course, with no known evidence supporting it. But it's fair to say that many Times staffers want Miller's role in the Plame affair clarified, and some of her Times colleagues are downright angry about what is known, and unknown, about her involvement.

Although Miller never wrote a story about Plame, she is one of several journalists targeted by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in his investigation of who leaked the agent's identity more than two years ago. Although Fitzgerald has subpoenaed and interviewed several reporters, Miller is the only one who has so far refused to disclose her sources, prompting a federal judge to sentence her to jail until she either gives up the source or the grand jury ends its work, likely sometime in October.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:26 PM
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1. I read this story earlier tonight.
I think the most significant revelation in the article is the amount of information Keller has regarding Judy's sources ane what she was working on. I read earlier this week that he is being subpoenaed by the GJ. I wonder what his response will be, will he be willing to testify or will he join Judy in the men's unit.
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:29 PM
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2. What is Judy doing in the men's unit?
:)
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:33 PM
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3. Maybe, doing what she was doing...
... for the Bush administration? :)
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:35 PM
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5. I heard Judge Hogan put her in the cell next to Missoauri
She wanted Martha's Stewarts prison!!!
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:10 AM
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8.  Just maybe because,
that's where they have it "bugged", so they can hear what was said between her and JOHN BOLTON when he visited her recently!!!:wow:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:07 AM
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23. Actually, when you visit someone in the slammer
you see them in a conference room if you're their lawyer or someone official, or in a visiting booth with glass between you & them if you're family or a friend.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 05:51 AM
Response to Reply #23
41. Ashcroft ruled that all discussions between prisoners and their lawyers
will/may be listened to with no notice to lawyer or client

there is now no attorney-client privilege in any prison
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:54 AM
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51. Ashcroft's tyrannical ruling might bite him in the butt! LOL!
I hope to see his name indicted along with the rest of his cronies.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:27 AM
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10. Maybe the matter in which she is refusing to testify
is very serious, and the judge wants her to realize that. Maybe the judge has no sympathy for her because she is arrogant, dishonest and self-righteous as well as uncooperative.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:00 PM
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27. The judge has no sympathy because she is helping to cover up a crime.


To refuse to testify about a crime you have knowledge of is to make yourself part of a conspiracy to that crime. That's why she is in jail.

And the jail may be only a temporary stop for her. There is much speculation that she is going to be charged with felony conspiracy. That would move her from the jail to federal prisonl. Enjoy your all expenses paid vacation, Judy.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:21 AM
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9. Good I hope the NYT suffers, they lost all credibility
with me in 2000, when they failed to report on all those black Gore voters that didn't have their votes counted; screw'um.

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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 07:22 AM
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18. people think (thought) the nyt was a sophisticated paper
when in reality it's the mouthpiece for traitors. a big fraud
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:14 AM
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21. And then they 86'd a story...
... about the * debate bulge because it was too close to the election.

Despicable.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:33 PM
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4. I remember when Judy went to jail smiling and waving to the News
and the News Media was SUPPORTING her freedom of speech!!!

and many DUers here too were upset and supporting her

but gradually as Fitzgerald has done his work the NYT is getting nervous cause have the aided and abbeted this conspiracy also!!!

Better cooperate NYT ... you can go to jail for lying and aiding a conspiracy!!!
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:48 AM
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12. I apologise for that and regret those statements and ask your forgiveness.
I was in error and held those opinions for a time when I was unaware of the insider nature of Miller and simply ask my fellow liberals to pardon my ignorance. It was DU that helped me sort out this complicated affair.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 04:26 PM
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36. Don't feel bad you were not the only one.......
This is a very complicated and involved story. Don't feel badly though, okay? I can't tell you how many times my position or feelings have changed about different stories, after I was presented with new facts.
:hug:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:43 PM
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6. Will we see a movie of the week about liar for Bush?
like we did about Jayson Blair?

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:



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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:50 PM
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7. Consider being a Premium subscriber to Salon.
It's well worth the $$$$$. One of the perks I enjoy is downloading Salon items into my PDA every time I synch it. There are some good other perks, such as free mag. subscriptions.

pnorman
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:40 AM
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11. I say it would be good riddance if they went bankrupt... whores
and elitist war luvin hawks. Op Ed doesnt count.
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:22 AM
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13. Keep Miller in jail
She has been a whore for the Bush administration and was wearing her knee pads for Chalabi. She could rot in jail for all I care.
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 02:55 AM
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14. operation mockingbird
the war machine pays its mouthpieces well.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 03:27 AM
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15. Now the NYT's is worried about their credibility?
They should have worried about that when they decided to support Bush and his war based on lies. They should have thought about that when they let Miller get away with reporting those lies over and over. They should have thought about that when the Plame investigation started and instead of stonewalling a grand jury, they should have told Miller to come clean and tell the truth. But no, we couldn't do that now could we? Cry me a river NYT. Your paper doesn't even make good bird cage liner at this point.



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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 04:27 AM
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16. their livlihood may be at stake the more this continues.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 06:43 AM
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17. "No proof exists that the theory is true."
Like hell, you say; read her articles on WMDs leading up to this evil war. She's a tool of the neocons and she's the best little P.R. shill Israel ever had. What she's scared about is having to answer other questions about her propagandizing; it would destroy her credibility as a journalist and she'd either have to perjure herself over and over, or out the administration as the lying warmongers they are and thus literally risk her life.

She's in trouble and she knows it, but it doesn't have anything to do with the outing of Valerie Plame.

Just read her old articles; they're sheer fabrication and unabashed rabble rousing.

It bears repeating: the Plame affair has NOTHING to do with why she's quivering for her life and hiding in jail; she may try to play the martyr, but she's even afraid of that at this point.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:07 AM
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19. Miller is protecting "the system" and not an individual.
I originally believed that she was protecting a “bigger fish.” Now I think she is just trying to protect the disclosure of the RW Machine’s system of politicking. This is the detailed in the book, “Blinded by the Right” by David Brock who was a shill that came clean. He talks about the fact that his journalistic post was just an avenue of propaganda for his political agenda and that of the so-called conservative movement. The judges, media and politicians all go to the same parties, hang out together and discuss long and short term strategy. It’s scary.

The only difference between Brock and Miller is that Miller was operating in a quasi-respected mainstream newspaper that is not openly known as a partisan rag like Brock’s magazine was. Exposure of the far-reaching mechanics of today’s RW propaganda machine could have people questioning stories in most newspapers like they should anyway. THAT is a story in and of itself. In Miller’s mind, this is worth protecting.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 08:10 AM
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45. KICK babeee...KICK!!!!!!: protecting the Machine's disclosures
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:04 AM
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52. The system is second compared to protecting her credibility and namesake.
Don't underestimate self preservation in shallow people.

She's a fraud and she knows it. If she was really thinking outside of herself (and for the good of our country, the people, etc.) she would never have been mixed up in this in the first place.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:11 AM
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53. She was not acting as an individual or as a writer here.
And there was nothing arbitrary about what she did. It was a coordinated effort.

And even though she soaked up the glory, she did it all as tool of the RW machine. They used her. She got glory, but they got results.

That the RW found a writer that was self-absorbed and willing as her is completely by design. It is definitely NOT about her.
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:41 AM
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54. Good point!
This is not about her. Yet, she seems to have quite a big ego. Knowing what we know about her character, don't you think she would have testified if she could have gotten out of this unscathed?

The fact that she is not testifying implies that she can't for a few reasons. She'll either incriminate herself in the process, incriminate powerful people that could destroy her, or both.

She's definitely protecting the system. Yet, if her self preservation wasn't intimately intertwined, a person mixed up in deceit, is not suddenly going to become a moral person and sacrifice themselves for a system.



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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:14 AM
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20. You beat me to it.
That sentence screamed out at me as well.

How the fuck do they know "no proof exists," unless they are omnisicient or unless they destroyed it all.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:08 PM
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28. A statement she made as she went to jail tells me you are right.


IIRC, she said something like, 'I won't talk. You don't know how powerful these people are.' Implying that for her to talk about it would mean she may be suicided.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:41 PM
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38. I agree. I hope Fitz can prove it.
The Benador Associates link is very interesting. But very little comes up on google. She is a cypher even to her colleagues and yet has an inside track with the most senior management. No something smells very fishy as it did the night Robert Maxwell died.

And then we have Bolton - special recess appointment, as close to Bush as anyone visiting her. No - you don't get this kind of contact even as CIA.

And then she is an expert on WMD's - very unusual backround - very. Close friend of Aspin while he was on the job.

At any rate Judy makes good Bait surely some more Sharks and Baracuttas will be sniffing around.
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silvermachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:01 AM
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22. My favorite part...
...<<<she is holding up well, but has had some stomach problems related to jail food, misses the Internet and outside contact, and has had to withstand a constant stream of hip-hop videos on the communal television sets>>>

Does this offend her delicate sensibilities?:nopity:
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:16 AM
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24. What??? Judy isn't "down with Hip-hop"?
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 11:17 AM by Moochy
She's certainly a trooper for withstanding the onslaught of rabble culture.

Maybe they should change the channel to Link-TV and then maybe her stay might be beneficial to her. NYT is certainly better off with her in the slammer.

Oh I know, we can force her to watch Current.TV ! That might be cruel and unusual punishment! :)

( Dons flame retardant jumpsuit, and awaits the Gore fanboys defending current.tv )
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silvermachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:37 AM
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25. Her voice....
...maybe she could put her widdle Shirley Temple "Good Ship Lollipop" pipes to good use and get on the phone to Mos Def or Mash Out Posse for their next release.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:51 PM
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32. oh why why - what has she ever done to deserve such cruel treatment
no pity is right
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:48 PM
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26. David Kelly, the Brits' chief WMD expert, began whistleblowing to the BBC
anonymously, on May 22, 2003 (a month before Joseph Wilson's article), about the Brits' "sexed up" Iraq WMD intel (the exaggerated claims about Iraq WMDs). The Blairites were very concerned about this, and were trying to find out who the whistleblower was. They put great pressure on the BBC to force them to disclose it. Near the end of June, Kelly learned that "it was known" that he was the whistleblower, and, at that point, he wrote a letter to his bosses saying that it was him. Thus began the chain of events that led to his death, on July 17, three days after the first Plame outing. (The second Plame outing, of the entire Brewster Jennings operation--a 20 year CIA project with covert eyes and ears on WMDs around the world-- occurred four days after that, on July 22, and--possibly of great importance--after Kelly's office and computers were searched.)

Judith Miller and David Kelly were friends and correspondents. She had cultivated him as a WMD expert and used him as a major quoted source in her book "Germs." One of his last emails was to Judith Miller--the one in which he was worried about the "many dark actors playing games."

Miller then wrote a news article for the NYT (July 21, 2003) about Kelly's death, in which she failed to disclose the "dark actors" email or her other connections to Kelly. (The email was later released by his family.) It's quite odd--if not a breach of journalistic ethics--for her to try to play the objective news reporter about this close associate's death, and not report her connections to him.

Also, I suspect that she put words in Kelly's mouth in that article. In paragraphs 15-16, she has him saying "to his associates" (without quotes) that US troops were not looking hard enough for WMDs in Iraq. This criticism of US troops does not fit Kelly's state of mind at the time (that of a whistleblower), but it does serve Miller's interests. At the time, Kelly was risking his career to expose the exaggerations about Iraq WMDs. Meanwhile, Miller was running around Iraq with the US troops after the invasion "hunting" for WMDs that everyone in the Bush Cartel knew weren't there, on a special "embed" contract signed by Donald Rumsfeld. She led the troops around, pointing them here and there--badgering them, threatening them with her connections in the Pentagon--and became a big annoyance to the commanders in the field. She seemed quite sure that WMDs would be found, if only they looked hard enough. Kelly saying this just doesn't smell right. And it would be easy enough to make something up after he was dead. (And, given what we now know of Miller's "journalism," it wouldn't at all be surprising if that's what she did.)

These suspicions about Miller's "journalism" have led me to a suspicion about something else--that she was the one who "outed" Kelly to the Blair government. The BBC refused to disclose his identity. And it seemed to catch him by surprise that they knew. How did they find out?

The public had been super-primed to expect a find a WMDs in Iraq after the invasion, and Miller was well-positioned to "get the scoop." But the WMDs never materialised.

During that period (March-April 2003), something caused Kelly to do a turnabout on the war. He had supported the war and wanted Saddam Hussein ousted. He was highly experienced on Iraq WMDs, had been there many times as a WMD inspector, and was legendary for facing down Saddam (and the Russians) on WMD issues. A tough guy; a brilliant scientist, from all reports. He strongly believed in his work, the goal of which was non-proliferation (same goal as Plame's covert work). He was an insider on the Brits WMD intel docs, had tried to get them to be more accurate, but did not whistleblow before the invasion. He did it afterwards.

After he was identified, he was given a "security-style" interrogation, was likely threatened with the Official Secrets Act and loss of his pension, was forced to partially recant before a Parliamentary defense committee, and was outed to the press, and then sent home apparently without surveillance or protection. He was soon found dead (July 18) near his home, along the route of his normal afternoon walk, under a tree, having slit one wrist and bled to death all night out in the cold and the rain. (--tough guy? brilliant scientist?)

There were many dissenters (eyewitnesses and experts) about the conclusion of suicide. The possibility of murder was not pursued, despite strong evidence pointing to it (not enough blood at the scene; body moved; no note; no indications of despair--quite the contrary--and on and on). The official "Lord Hutton report" exonerated the Blairites and blamed the BBC (!).

On July 7, 2003--after Kelly had been whistleblowing for more than a month, after he had been identified and interrogated, ten days before his death, and seven days before the Plame outing--Tony Blair was informed that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things." COULD say. Not HAD said. (Hutton report.)

I strongly suspect that this warning to Blair about what Kelly "could say" was the true trigger for the Plame outing, and not the publication of Joseph Wilson's article on July 6. I read an interview of Wilson in which he stated that he had called Condi Rice, to get the regime to disavow the Iraq-Niger allegation, and she told him (through intermediaries) that she was not interested in his information, but, if he was so concerned about the matter, why didn't he publish it?

So his publication was expected (and likely part of a long term Bushite plot to "get" the CIA, and, possibly, in particular, to disable the CIA's covert weapons monitoring capability, in order to advance Cheney arms dealing schemes).

Why, then, did the Bushites out Plame in such a foolish and hasty way--contacting at least SIX journalists (witnesses to treason), and involving numerous top Bushite officials (everyone who laid eyes on the Plame memo on AF-1 on the Africa trip, July 5-12, including possibly Bush and Cheney), Libby and Rove in the U.S., and who knows who else? The way they did it put everyone at maximum risk of treason charges. And then they compounded that risk by outing the whole CIA front company on July 22 (after Kelly's death), in the most obvious way possible, planting it in a news column.

It feels like panic to me--not the conclusion of a well-thought out, planned scheme, going all the way back to the Niger forgeries, to draw out the dissident elements in the CIA, or whatever they were up to. It feels more like they were stumbling all over themselves, and inventing ill-coordinated (and even silly) cover stories, and maximizing everybody's risk, in response to something UNEXPECTED.

I think that something--the something that got Kelly whistleblowing, the something that the Bushites and the Blairites were so scared of, and didn't expect--is that Kelly had stumbled upon their covert plot to PLANT nukes or other WMDs in Iraq, for the enormous political gain to Bush/Blair (if WMDs had been "found"). And perhaps Kelly even helped foil their nefarious scheme (it would have outraged him--my read on his character). The panic to out Plame--that I sense in the Bushites' actions--was possibly based on fear that she and her WMD network would find out (she was in a good position to do so), or they suspected her of already knowing, or of having helped to foil their plot--and they then got confirmation of this when they got into Kelly's computers; thus, the seemingly gratuitous (unnecessary for "punishing" Wilson), and highly risky (as to treason charges) outing of Brewster Jennings.

Judith Miller was all set up to "get the scoop" on these planted WMDs, and was possibly mixed up in that plot as well, in addition to the Plame outing itself, and whatever murky role she may have been playing in David Kelly's outing. (The irony may be that the person to whom he trustingly sent a warning about the "dark actors playing games" was a "dark actor" herself). Many people were endangered by these outings--Plame and her family, all of the BJ network, some of whom were put at high risk of being killed, and Kelly. And the only thing any of them were guilty of was seeking or telling the truth.

There were reports in Iranian and Pakistani newspapers in March 2003 of a covert US arms shipment unloaded at the Basra port (reported by an Iraqi Governing Council member, who suspected a "plant" of WMDs), and of a "bungled" covert effort to move arms within Iraq that met with "friendly fire" (by a US Defense Dept. whistleblower). Kelly had friends in Iraq, and had gone to Iraq after the invasion. It seems likely that he would have gotten word of these reports. (His last emails reveal that he was looking forward to returning to Iraq, after the controversy surrounding him blew over--which he thought would take about a week. He was also looking forward to his daughter's wedding. My guess: he had assured his bosses that he wouldn't reveal the worst, and thought that would be an end to it.)

I think that the New York Times has much to answer for--especially the owners, publishers and editors who were most responsible for Judith Miller's position in the paper, and for her bald-faced, lying propaganda for the war, on the front pages of their paper--a journalistic campaign that had vast repercussions throughout the corporate news monopoly press, with many other news organizations taking their cue from the NYT; throughout the U.S. (it didn't fool the American people, 58% of whom opposed the Iraq war BEFORE the invasion, in Feb. '03--but it certainly helped stifle dissent, and aided the Bushites in their lying), and, of course, in Iraq, where tens of thousands of innocent people were slaughtered, and others detained and tortured.

By promoting Judith Miller, and granting her this reputable platform on which to lie about Iraq and promote the war--in the nation's "newspaper of record--they also contributed to whatever skulduggery she may have been involved in. They gave her status and authority, and undeserved power. Their part in this war has completely sullied the NYT as a news organization. They will never recover from it. They will live in infamy, right up there with the Bush Cartel, as the worst bunch of liars and evildoers our country has ever been inflicted with. That's some legacy for a once highly respected newspaper.

And we have by no means seen the last of the repercussions of their actions--with an out of control cabal in the White House with its finger on our nuclear trigger, and now saber-rattling at Iran and Syria. If there is a holocaust in the Middle East, it will not be limited to the Middle East (read Carl Sagan's "The Cold and the Dark" about what even a LIMITED nuclear exchange will do to our planet)--and, well, I guess there won't be anybody left to thank the New York Times for aiding and abetting it.

The remedy is for the NYT to come clean NOW. To stop this madness NOW. To front-page and banner headline its own mistakes, and lead a campaign to force Congress to impeach this entire regime NOW. Some at the NYT may be facing indictment, conviction and jail time, and, I would hope, given the stakes, that they would bravely face that consequence, rather than see mushroom clouds in the Middle East darken our planet forevermore.

The fighting, and the divisiveness, and the violence, and the warmongering, and the skulduggery, and the nuclear blackmail, and the paranoia, and the war profiteering, and the use of US soldiers as cannon fodder, and the lying, and the thievery, and the destruction of our democracy MUST END. NOW!


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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:13 PM
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29. Greatest page, home page please for this. This needs its own thread
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 01:13 PM by caligirl
Peace Patriot put this on its own thread and I will vote to get it on the greatest page.

Mods this needs to get a front page posting.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 08:20 AM
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46. KICK!!!
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 08:21 AM
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47. kick it AGAIN!:Did Judith Miller OUT 'suicided' David Kelley?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:44 PM
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30. Time-line showing the strange coincidence of Kelly/Plame events:
May 22, 2003: David Kelly, Brits chief WMD expert, starts whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC, on the Brits "sexed up" Iraq intel docs.

July 7, 2003: Kelly identified, interrogated, and Blair warned that Kelly knew something worse.

July 14, 2003: Plame outed.

July 18, 2003: Kelly found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances; his office and computers searched.

July 22, 2003: Second Plame outing, of the entire CIA WMD monitoring project, Brewster Jennings.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:51 PM
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31. Great post n/t
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Desperadoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 02:33 PM
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33. That's the "Post of the Year'..imho
This sums up everything I have been reading and thinking on this subject for the last 6 months.

Thank you for such a marvelous summation.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 03:15 PM
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34. fascinating theory and way to rip the NYTs a new one
They have lost all credibility. As it turns out, YOU have at least as much credibility as the NYTs who we assumed had sources, double sourcing, fact checking, etc. No, it turns out that the NYTs prints any old bathroom graffiti - as long as its comes from the RIGHT bathrooms.

Really interesting work you're doing - giving us something to think about... unlike the press. And you have credibility - unlike those who have lied for an agenda, who have used a postition of trust to deceive.

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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 07:43 AM
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43. Outstanding - it is this kind of analysis that will bust this wide open
Edited on Thu Aug-18-05 07:53 AM by Burried News
Just some brief comments (I am on edge reading your work and have printed it out so I can read it more thoroughly again.)
1. I think Kelly may have killed himself to protect his family and at the same time get attention to his story - his body was the only message he could get out.
2. I completely agree - the Plame outing was to sabotage information gathering. The use of Wilson was secondary.
3. Your linking Judy to what was going on in Britain regarding the fixing of intelligence is spot on.

4. Who was the muscle Kelly was afraid of - who got Vanunu out of England - what else and who else did Plame's network monitor - is there a better count of Israeli Nukes than some are comfortable with?

Can't thank you enough for this outstanding effort.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 08:43 AM
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48. These journalists have been contacted:
jane_mayer@newyorker.com,makers@npr.org,pfessler@npr.org,dgonyea@npr.org,jridgeway@villagevoice.com,brinkley@nytimes.com,letters@nytimes.com,adclym@nytimes.com,dasang@nytimes.com

Great (assumably current) list from Freeper site:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026292/posts

my letter:


What was the relationship between Judith Miller and David Kelley and did she OUT Kelley? We keep waiting for the NYTimes to live up to its reputation as a great paper. Please don't disappoint us. We value your coverage.

This is being catapulted on www.democraticunderground.com (follow the 'latest breaking' posts).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1707056&mesg_id=1708189

Sincerely,
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:46 AM
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49. Wow! Excellent post! If you haven't already, please post this on
it's own!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 04:10 PM
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35. Judy has a lot of 'splainen to do.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 07:47 AM
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44. particularly about her role in spreading the lies about WMD in Iraq
in which her sole source was Ahmed Chalabi.

May she rot in jail!

PS: Please Lou Dobbs, quick portraying Judith Miller as some sort of First Amendment crusader. She is a faux journalist!
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 04:50 PM
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37. Did they mention Bolton's visit to her jail cell recently?
That reeeeeeeaaaaallllly put me "on guard."
I mean... mmmmmm.... what's that about?

Any ideas?
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:27 PM
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39. Bolton probably is a 'source'
Franken postulated it long ago.....
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 07:09 AM
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42. Bolton, acting as a NeoCon enforcer, was delivering a message.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 04:48 AM
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40. I suspect that one reason Miller is so loudly carrying on about keeping
her lips sealed is that she really knows some dirt that would hurt the Administration - not just Plamegate but during the runup to war when she was the Administration's mouthpiece - and she is afraid that she'll have an "accident" if she agrees to testify under oath.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:51 AM
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50. Protection of Sources is for Whistleblowers
The protection of the confidentiality of sources is designed to protect people who are blowing the whistle against wrong-doing. That protection is not designed to protect a source who comitted a felony (such as outing a covert CIA agent).
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:06 PM
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55. This whole thread is very good...I'm bookmarking it for later perusal...
I tried to recommend it, but alas, I've not enough posts yet to nominate! Kick for now.

:kick:
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