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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:04 AM
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WP, Milbank: Deploying Cindy's Antiwar Army
Deploying Cindy's Antiwar Army
By Dana Milbank
Thursday, August 18, 2005; Page A03

It was to have been a silent vigil outside the White House last night in solidarity with Cindy Sheehan, the Gold Star Mother-turned-antiwar activist. But the 500 demonstrators were not the sort to be silenced....

***

As Sheehan, mother of an American soldier killed in Iraq, camps out near President Bush's ranch in Texas this month in symbolic protest, foes of the war see the chance to achieve something that has eluded them for two years: galvanizing a mass antiwar movement. Sheehan, they say hopefully, could be their Rosa Parks....

***

That's what worries Kevin Pannell, whose knot of a dozen conservative counterdemonstrators was outnumbered 50 to 1 on Pennsylvania Avenue last night. Pannell, part of the Army's First Cavalry Division, lost both calves in Iraq last year when his patrol was ambushed in a grenade attack. He said he had never been to a political rally before, but he is worried about Sheehan's ability to spark an antiwar movement....

***

MoveOn.org is leaving nothing to chance as it tries to make Sheehan into a national icon. It supplied demonstrators with advice on media relations. ("When talking to reporters, it is OK to keep repeating the same message over and over. It may feel strange to do that, but the reporters are used to it.") MoveOn.org designed printable placards for participants proclaiming "Dogs for Cindy" and "Moms for Peace." It directed vigil hosts to declare "if you have pets your guests could be allergic to."

"We're also asking that you bring pictures of children," MoveOn.org requested, and it didn't matter "whether or not you have a child serving in the military."...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/17/AR2005081702266.html
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:07 AM
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1. Why are all leftist gatherings portrayed as contrived...
while all the rightwing stuff is portrayed as honest and earnest?
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:09 AM
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2. piss on milbank
From a great height - remember his sneering coverage of the DSM memo?
This is not much better - why doesn't the washington post send him to cover something he'd like to cover - he seems to hate people that disagree with the president.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:12 AM
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5. Piss on the WP too
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:03 PM
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26. here, here
They are nothing but a paper copy of FAUX.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/472476
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:19 PM
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30. FAUX too with gusto and relish
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:28 AM
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12. Milbank's got an ax to grind on some leftist orgs.
Tells you one thing: If he's reading FR, he's on this thread too.

:hi: Mr Milbank
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:29 PM
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35. Conserves are pissed Anti-War groups are Fighting Back hard
They can't deal with the backlash,
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:29 PM
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36. yeah, screw you, Milbank!
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:10 AM
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3. Yeah, some of the stuff that's being done
Could be seen as not entirely on the up-and-up... IF it's true.

But then I think of the "spontaneous turnouts of demonstrators" who showed up to stop the recounts in Florida in 2000, who turned out to all be staff members of republican congressmen, and all I can muster is a hearty, "Fuck you," to any freeper who's got a problem with it.

TlalocW
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:24 PM
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32. Good point. The GOP 'rent-a-mob' never got disclosed in the WP, did it?
And it was so obvious, even when it was happening. I took one look at the group and said "Those people are NOT Floridians." Pasty-faced preppies in Izod shirts.
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il_lilac Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:11 AM
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4. not sure of the tone
Free republic is sure getting their name in a lot of articles lately? Perhaps if enough people go to that vile site, they'll finally see the ignorance and prejudice we are fighting.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:25 AM
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9. TREASONGATE: Total Media BLACK OUT of 18 USC 794, Federal Espionage
http://www.citizenspook.blogspot.com /

TREASONGATE: Total Media BLACK OUT of 18 USC 794, Federal Espionage
Statute

In my two part series, TREASONGATE: The Controlling Law,
Part 1 Part 2 I discussed the fact that the Intelligence Identities Protection Act is virtually irrelevant as to the Valerie Plame CIA leak investigation. I focused on the applicability to this fact pattern of 18 USC 793 and 794, the espionage statutes of the United States Code.

Let's go back now, back to the beginning of this affair. Ever since this thing hit the news with gusto only equaled by Monica's dress, we have seen, heard and been witness to a main stream media and main stream blogosphere feeding frenzy of pundits politically analyzing the irrelevant IIPA. What a time they were having until Citizen Spook came along and outed their ruse.

And what timing that the AIPAC indictments should come out a few days after Citizen Spook published this analysis, (see TREASONGATE: The Controlling Law, Part 2: THE DEATH PENALTY, 18 USC 794 and the shift from GWOT to GSAVE ). Those indictments were based on 18 USC 793.

But more interesting and more juicy for the media is the simple application of 18 USC 794(b) which provided for the death penalty or life in prison for perpetraitors of espionage "in time of war".

We discussed the diplomatic policy shift from GWOT, global war on terrorism, to GSAVE, global struggle against violent extremism, and how that shift may be evidence of the Bush admin having worries about prosecution under the controlling espionage laws.

We discussed that 794(b) is met under this fact pattern of the Plame affair since it only requires that the information communicated by the perp be "related to the public defense" and that the perp must intend for that info to be communicated to the "enemy". We distinguished between the term "enemy" and the term "foreign nation" because "enemy" is much broader and does include "the terrorists".

We also discussed that federal case law has held that giving the relevant info to the press is no different than giving it directly to a spy for purposes of the intent requirement of that law.

So why hasn't the main stream media and most of the blogosphere picked up on this story?

BECAUSE THERE'S A MEDIA BLACKOUT IN PROGRESS

I submit that you may begin to "out" everybody in the media and blogosphere based upon their decision to cover 18 USC 794 or not to cover it.Those who don't cover it, are knowingly or unknowingly, aiding and abetting treason. Coverage of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act was exhaustive, from CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, the liberal blogs, the conservative blogs, etc. It was everywhere as the debate raged on about what was classified and who knew what at what time.

Crapola was fed to the masses. The IIPA is not the espionage act and does not lead to treason convictions. C'mon people, we have a little body of law which is called THE UNITED STATES CODE!

Let's use it.

Many small web blogs did cover my report on 18 USC 794, and for that, we the people, owe them a debt of gratitude. The only main stream alternative web site which covered my report on 18 USC 794 and the death penalty was Jeff Rense. Rense had an entire section based upon TREASONGATE, which linked to four of my reports. That section has now been removed at rense.com. I don't know why, but I've written Jeff and asked him if there was a problem.

But here we have the biggest story in US history. Treason was perpetrated on this country by the White House. We know the memo listed Plame's ID as "secret" and that classification is prima facia proof of how important it was to national security. She was working on WMD. All of the requirements of 18 USC 794(b) have been met with much more convincing power than under the IIPA, so why has our very own United States Code been ignored.

It's frightening to finally see how deep the rabbit hole goes isn't it.

This information, this law, this US Code, is not speculation or theory. This is the law and it's rock solid.

Where is the press now?
Where is the blogosphere?
Where is the feeding frenzy?
We had it for the IIPA, but for our very own US Code, it's gone, voila.

You knew the info is being controlled, but now you know that it's infected many of your favorite blogs and so called liberal journalists. We've given them a story here at Citizen Spook. Why aren't they running with it?

It's a simple Code, much easier to explain to the people than the IIPA, but it's not as easy to spin and argue about. It's clear, the White House is guilty as sin under 18 USC 794 (and 793) and the penalty is frightening to them.

Take over the blogs.
Take over the comments.
Write letters to the editor.

Where are the big time liberal pundits who are supposed to be fighting against this administration?

Where is the Conyers Blog?
Where is Raw Story?
Where is The Brad Blog?
Where is Daily Kos?
Where is The Huffington Post?
Where is Air America Radio?

Yes, the rabbit hole is deep, but it ends right here.

If the same amount of energy that went into the analysis of the IIPA was applied to 18 USC 794, the White House would be in serious trouble and would be forced to change their plans. They wouldn't have the same time they have now, time to create intricate diversions, time to commit more treason.

America, you have the means to fight this information war and you have the means to demand the media step up and tell the people what laws have been broken. And in doing this you can make them squirm, and you can force their hand and make them act with less time to plan. By exposing the truth, you force them to move faster, to rush their plans and in doing that they are more prone to make a mistake.

Nobody does anything as thorough when they are rushing, compared to when they have time to plot. By ignoring discussion about 18 USC 794 and the death penalty or life in prison, the main stream media and blogosphere are aiding and abetting the enemy by giving it time and resources to plot further treason.

The IIPA discussion was a calculated ruse designed to distract you from the real controlling law, 18 USC 793 and 794.

What are you going to do about it America?

Make some noise, make a lot of noise. If you don't, you have nothing to complain about when they survive this and thereafter bring you tyranny beyond your vision. What doesn't kill them (by this I mean the law) makes them stronger. They destroyed a network of USA intelligence operations, operations that must have been getting close to uncovering treason worse than the treason they committed
by outing Plame and Brewster Jennings et als.

This is war people. There are no civilians in an information war. You're either for the truth and the law, or your against it.

by Citizen Spook

PLEASE REPOST and LINK

coming soon: Citizen Spook on "Treasongate Deciphered", this will blow your mind.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 03:16 PM
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43. how do you pronounce 18 USC 794? n/t
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:18 AM
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6. Just a Nobody
Just a BIG FAT nobody

Dana, you naughty boy, personal attacks are not allowed:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:20 AM
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7. The "counterdemonstrators" were
outnumbered 50 to 1. I'd say that's a good sign!
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:24 AM
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8. I have been thinking about something...
It is fully understandable that an Iraq veteran, especially a wounded one or relatives to a soldier who died in Iraq does not want their sacrifices to have been in vain.

The concept that they have suffered due to a pack of lies must of course seem repugnant.

But how did the veterans from the Vietnam war come to term with this? How was it addressed back then?

Are there any old timers out there who knows?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:26 AM
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11. Very perceptive, and a good question --
wish I had an answer.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:41 AM
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13. How did they come to terms..they didn't. You have heard of the swift boat
LIARS, have you not? There are still many Vietnam Vets that believe they were also in a Nobal cause. It is hard for them to reconcile the fact that Vietnam is better off today than it was under the French or the Americans.
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:23 AM
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18. Yes, I end up behind a guy in a beat up old pickup from time to time
on my way home from work. It is plastered with "Vietnam Vet" and "I stand with President Bush"-type stickers.

They go all the way through life convinced that any war America wages is a "noble cause". Human being's capacity for delusion is endless. Look at all those who STILL support *.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:42 AM
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14. That is the struggle that will go on once again
Edited on Thu Aug-18-05 09:43 AM by Jacobin
I'm old enough to remember those times. Some who came back and saw it was a hopeless situation and spoke out against the war who were injured and had friends killed knew that staying would only kill more people and would accomplish nothing.

Some who came back didn't want their sacrifices and the sacrifices of those who had died and were maimed to have 'been in vain' and supported staying there.....NOT because they really had an answer as to how to 'win' the war...but for emotional reasons.

We have the same thing going on now. Emotional support to 'honor those who have died', regardless of whether the goal can ever be accomplished (and few really believe it can anymore), and those who rationally know that killing more people in a lost cause is no way to honor those who have already fallen.

Very sad.

Very very sad.

The Second Viet Nam, brought to you courtesy of George Bush* and the Neo-cons.
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NoSunWithoutShadow Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:12 AM
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16. When my husband came back from Vietnam in 1969
He tossed his Purple Heart during a demonstration in Washington, D.C.
and has never regretted it.


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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:29 AM
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19. Which means he accepted the feeling of sacrifice for naught
but what I am interested in is how he came to that conclusion - by himself? Where there any support programs organised by the peace movement or veteran associations...

I guess everyone must step through the door alone but I believe efforts like Mr. Moores website where soldiers get to tell their stories could be valuable for the individual soldier.
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NoSunWithoutShadow Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:03 PM
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27. I'll ask him how he came to that conclusion.
I'll "PM" you on 8/22. I don't want to hijack a Breaking News thread.

This would be a good topic for you to start in General Discussion. There are many thoughtful Vets on DU with interesting stories and perspectives.

:hi:


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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:29 PM
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34. yes, that would be a very good thread.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:36 PM
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39. I do know this
There are a huge amount of Veterans that realize they were lied to in noth wars. Many have joined veterns groups working for peace and hate george bush. They just don't get interviewed on TV and put in the newspapers.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:26 AM
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10. MSM deploying anti-Cindy army
:puke:
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:14 PM
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29. Heartless Bloated Corporate Assholes = MSN
Boot-licking as well as hyping (beyond belief) every little thing the Bush Administration does.

These bastards even hinted that Armstrong's meeting with Herr Bush MAY TOP his winning the Tour de France multiple times. These people are *shameless*!

More than anything "the media" needs to DE-CENTRALIZE in order for "the people" to get a truly diverse (and balanced) analysis of current events.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 05:02 PM
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46. and they need to be held accountable someday
I hope there's a Mme. Defarge out there....
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:47 AM
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15. "Anti-war Army"??? wtf?
What next?

Peace Militia?
Dove Insurgents?
Conflict resolution terrorists?

Ridiculous. :eyes:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:23 AM
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17. Once again, I ask....
where the fuck have you been, Milbank???

"...foes of the war see the chance to achieve something that has eluded them for two years: galvanizing a mass antiwar movement."

I guess the 100s of thousands of us who have been marching since before this crap war ever started were just suffering from some mass delusion. Damn, I thought I've been participating in massive anti-war marches all this time, but I guess I was wrong! :eyes:
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:41 AM
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21. Perhaps, Mr Milbank, this is just the first time that the M$M...
... hasn't wholly ignored the anti-war protests, so people are seeing that there's an avenue for expressing their feelings Re: the war. Amazing what can happen when the news media isn't censoring.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:10 AM
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23. That's true -- a global mobilization before the war...
alas, to no avail.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:29 AM
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25. milbank is tool..nothing more.
Families of slain soldiers in the UK are fighting back, too!

"Families bid for Iraq war inquiry"

"The families of 17 soldiers killed during the Iraq war and one who took his own life after returning to Britain are launching a legal bid to secure an independent inquiry into the legality of the conflict.

Their lawyers will lodge papers at the High Court in London seeking a judicial review of the Government's refusal in May to order an inquiry.

They argue that, under human rights laws, if the UK state is involved in the use of lethal force there must be an independent inquiry. The court will also be asked to decide the remit of any inquiry.

Among the questions raised by the families is "why the equivocal advice of March 7, 2003 from the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, changed so that 10 days later it was completely unequivocal in giving legal support for the war".


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-5215588,00.html
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:31 PM
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37. yeah, what about the MILLIONS around the world who marched on the eve of
the Iraq invasion. WTF?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:41 AM
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20. oh Dana?
Your Skull and Bones are showing again.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:05 AM
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22. Hey Milbank, we are only applying
what the repukes have been doing for years!

Oh and one more thing Milbank, eat shit and like it, because the tide has changed. bwahahahahahaha!

colossal failure*
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:15 AM
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24. Anti -War protesters aren't allowed to organize in this country!
It's an unspoken taboo since 9/11. Only rw christian nutcase tongue talkers can form a movement that is acceptable to msm anymore.
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:05 PM
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28. Milbank WP live chat: NOW
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:36 PM
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38. My question to Mr. Milbank:
Edited on Thu Aug-18-05 12:49 PM by Barrett808
Mr. Milbank,

Cindy Sheehan's protest is largely driven by revelations that the invasion was predicated on false (and falsified) premises.

Your coverage of the Democrats' forum on the Downing Street Minutes was surprisingly dismissive. Cindy Sheehan and much of America take these revelations more seriously.

Are you of the opinion that we should overlook this documentary evidence and continue to place our faith in those who have disastrously mismanaged the US into the current quagmire?

Barrett808

We'll see if the Post gives it to him.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:57 PM
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41. "virtually no mass antiwar movement that puts people in the streets"
"Until now, there's been virtually no mass antiwar movement that puts people in the streets. There's a big antiwar protest here in DC I think on Sept. 24. That may be a gauge of where the antiwar movement is. "

Gee, Mr. Milbank, I was at the NYC protest last Fall, with 500,000 of my closest friends. And something like 11 million people marched before the invasion, making it the largest peace march in history.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:58 PM
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42. Q: "Who has a right to take a grievance to the president?"
Dana Milbank: Laura Bush.

You're a funny, funny guy, Dana.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:20 PM
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31. This is the same asswipe that trashed Conyers' DSM forum. nt
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:26 PM
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33. oh, my
I'm stunned that Millbank compared MoveOn to SDS - what a complete tool he is.
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Emendator Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 12:42 PM
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40. Pro-War rallies - LOL
What type of nitwit would actually go to a pro-war rally? Besides FReepers, jarheads, and cavemen, very few. Those dopes are actually surprised to see their pathetically miniscule little gatherings greatly outnumbered by the antiwar ones. The very concept of a pro-establishment protest is kind of contradictory.

They're losing the country and everytime they call Cindy Sheehan a communist and a terrorist sympathizer, they are similarly calling the rest of the country. After all, war supporters are in the minority now and are on the defensive. I hope they keep it up.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 03:52 PM
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44. not a good sign (c.f. closing comments)
The "storming the Bastille" thing is trying to smear it all with a potential for violence. It sounds to me like Bushler is trying to concoct an excuse to sic stormtroopers on these people and is planting garbage like that in the WP (and likely elsewhere) to serve as cover for it.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 03:55 PM
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45. "Kristinn" of Free Republic is a GUY?
I never knew.
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