Hagel Says Iraq War Looking More Like Vietnam

[NNN0LHI]

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBDR8QFNCE.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - A leading Republican senator said Sunday the war in Iraq is looking more like the Vietnam conflict from a generation ago.

Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, who received two Purple Hearts and other military honors for his service in Vietnam, reaffirmed his position that the United States needs to develop a strategy to leave Iraq.

"Stay the course is not a policy," said Hagel, a possible White House contender in 2008. "By any standard, when you analyze 2 1/2 years in Iraq ... we're not winning."

Why does Hagel hate America?

[rsmith6621]

1. I Wonder If He'd Get a Meeting

With the King of Vacations........

[leftchick]

2. Allen is such a moran....

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Hagel said more U.S. troops is not the solution.

"We're past that stage now because now we are locked into a bogged-down problem not unsimilar, dissimilar to where we were in Vietnam," Hagel said. "The longer we stay, the more problems we're going to have."

Allen said that unlike the communist-guided North Vietnamese that the U.S. fought, the insurgents in Iraq have no guiding political philosophy or organization. Still, Hagel argued, the similarities are growing.

"What I think the White House does not yet understand - and some of my colleagues - the dam has broke on this policy," Hagel said. "The longer we stay there, the more similarities (to Vietnam) are going to come together."

[Ratty]

3. Clearly a traitor

We need to open an investigation immediately to see how this America-hater "earned" his Purple Star.

[Benhurst]

5. Don't worry. If he continues to speak out, I'm sure Rove and the

Bush Crime Family will mount just such an investigation.

[TahitiNut]

4. Iraq has far surpassed Viet Nam in terms of moral bankruptcy.

Our military intervention/invasion/occupation of Iraq is far, far less legimitate than it was of Viet Nam, no matter how thin it was there. :shrug:

[bemildred]

6. Certainly has moved along a lot quicker too. nt

[Emendator]

17. Why?

They're almost the exact same thing. It was also a war built on lies and we had no right to go in there.

[TahitiNut]

21. Oh? Well, that's an interesting summary.

:shrug: It's really fascinating how many are able to "bottom line" it like that.

[FlyByNight]

7. C'mon Karl, what are you waiting for?

When are O'Reilly, Hannity, Rush and all of the other vile, soulless hypocrites going to get around to sliming Sen. Hagel too?

We know you eat your own (Sen. McCain).

:dilemma:

[Wapsie B]

8. Such a prominent repug breaking ranks

with the heavenly-annointed illustrious president, the greatest leader in the history of the free world? Yeah he's playing the distancing game for '08. But I wonder how his opposition to this war for our freedom is playing in the red state he's in?

[NNN0LHI]

9. I wonder how his opposition to this war...is playing in the red state...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1716742&mesg_id=1716742

[Judi Lynn]

10. U.S. Republican senator says Iraq war similar to Vietnam

U.S. Republican senator says Iraq war similar to Vietnam
Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:11 PM ET

By Sue Pleming
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Influential Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska said on Sunday the longer the United States stayed bogged down in Iraq, the more it looked like another Vietnam.

"What I think the White House does not yet understand and some of my colleagues, is the dam has broken on this (Iraq) policy," said Hagel, a senior member of the Foreign Relations Committee and possible presidential candidate in 2008.

Hagel's comments in an interview with ABC's "This Week," coincide with President George W. Bush's new offensive to counter growing public discontent over U.S. involvement in Iraq and calls for a pull-out date.

Bush is taking his message on the road this week when he will invoke the September 11, 2001, attacks to contend that the United States must stay the course in Iraq, warning that an early withdrawal would put the country's security at risk and destabilize the Middle East.
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http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-08-21T171129Z_01_MOL161657_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-IRAQ-USA-DC.XML

[VegasWolf]

11. Bush having a hard time keeping the sheep on the ranch! nt

[reprobate]

12. Well, Mr. Chuck "I can see clearly now" Hagel. It's about time!

And he's not the only repug speaking out against Bush's insanity.

There is, of course, one answer that will work.


IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY!

And then give them a one way ticket to the Hague. and revoke their passports.

[Secular Agent Man]

13. It's deja vu all over again Chuck...

Artist: John Fogerty
Song: Deja Vu (All Over Again)
Album: Deja Vu (2004)

Lyrics :

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you try to read the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

Day by day I hear the voices rising
Started with a whisper like it did before
Day by day we count the dead and dying
Ship the bodies home while the networks all keep score

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Could your eyes believe the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

One by one I see the old ghosts rising
Stumblin' 'cross Big Muddy
Where the light gets dim
Day after day another Momma's crying
She's lost her precious child
To a war that has no end

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you stop to read the writing at The Wall
Did that voice inside you say
I've seen this all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again
It's like Deja Vu all over again


:cry:

[delen]

14. This might be

a slick manipulation. Just as support for the war has fallen to below 45% and some Dem senators are screaming for more troops so we can do what we said we were really in Iraq for properly, Mr Hagel pops up with "we must pull out now", bet more Repugs follow.
Then Repugs can say "see we supported a pullout of this tragic war while our the Dems supported even more loss of our young peoples lives". And if the "contractors" and their private army stay, which we all know they will. Iraq becomes a win-win for the Repugs just in time for 2006!!!!!!!!

[lumpy]

18. Slick manipulation?

Probably. Hagel has leadership ambitions, like living in the White House. He is a good little Republican, he votes right along with the rest of the flock. Check his voting record.

[yardwork]

15. I'm not impressed

Invading Iraq was an obviously stupid move at the time. Most of us here saw it then - we see it now.

Where was Hagel when the invasion began? Where was Hagel when chimpy was being re-appointed?

I'm not impressed.

[Placebo]

16. "TRAITOR!"

Just wait.

I can't wait to see the White House gear up to get rid of him somehow.

He's one of the many GOP senators looking at a possible 2008 presidential bid, so we can see how he's positioning himself on this issue already.

[MattSWin]

19. The only problem with Hagel is that

By simply saying Iraq is looking like Vietnam or we're not winning in Iraq gives Bush the opportunity to say that this proves we need to "stay the course" until we do succeed in Iraq.

Instead we need to present a case where we tell Bush to either lay out the case of what he sees as success in Iraq and how he intends to achieve that or he should withdraw.

As we all know he won't be able to lay out a plan for success in Iraq. Basically we need to get him to admit he foresees no immediate road to success on Iraq.

The arguments about he invasion being illegal aren't going to work because the UN also called our bombing in Yugoslavia illegal and the public overwhelmingly supported it.

[tabasco]

20. You're late to the party, Senator Hagel.

But we welcome you with open arms if you can help us stop this: