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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 09:47 PM
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Secular Iraqis Say New Charter May Curb Rights (but Chalabi reassures)
Some secular Iraqi leaders complained Tuesday that the country's nearly finished constitution lays the groundwork for the possible domination of the country by Shiite Islamic clerics, and that it contains specific provisions that could sharply curtail the rights of women.
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"This is the future of the new Iraqi government - it will be in the hands of the clerics," said Dr. Raja Kuzai, a secular Shiite member of the Assembly. "I wanted Iraqi women to be free, to be able to talk freely and to able to move around."

"I am not going to stay here," said Dr. Kuzai, an obstetrician and women's leader who met President Bush in the White House in November 2003.
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Ahmad Chalabi, the deputy prime minister, said the Iraqi draft constitution erected a more stringent separation of state and religion than any such document in the Middle East. Mr. Chalabi said the new language allowing a clerical role in family disputes was inserted by popular demand, and that, in any case, any Iraqi would be free to reject it and opt for a secular court.

http://nytimes.com/2005/08/24/international/middleeast/24iraq.html?hp&ex=1124856000&en=9274434395bb6eec&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 02:09 AM
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1. we tried to warn you Dr.
* doesn't give a hoot about women's rights in his own country.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 02:15 AM
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2. Somehow, assurances from Chalabi
are not something I'd put a lot of faith in, given his track record.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 05:40 AM
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3. indeed
pilar of integrity and truth - so believes "I was proved f*cking right!" Judith Miller.

:eyes:

However, in this case, for the women in IRaq, I hope that he is the broken clock (and right this one time.)
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GoBlue Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 05:49 AM
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4. Mr. Chalabi said the new language allowing a clerical role in family...
disputes was inserted by popular (male dominated) demand, and that, in any case, any Iraqi would be free to reject it and opt for a secular court.

Since men qualify as "any Iraqi" they would also be free to accept the cleric's role in disputes with their wives or daughters or mothers. And if the wife or daughter or mother opts for a secular court, then what? May I suggest that women won't really be free.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 05:50 AM
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5. Chalabi.....I don't even know what to say anymore.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 06:11 AM
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6. And I ask again...
...how the fuck is this guy not in jail? In Iraq or the US?
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