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DemsUnite Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:48 PM
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Sharpton's Driver Pulled Over Doing 110 After Sheehan Visit (Faux)
CRAWFORD, Texas — A driver for the Rev. Al Sharpton (search) led Ellis County Sheriff's deputies on a nine-mile chase at speeds up to 110 mph before state troopers stopped the car, authorities said.

The driver was rushing Sharpton to the airport after his visit anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan (search) on Sunday at her camp outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford.

The car carrying Sharpton and two other passengers was clocked doing 110 mph in a 65 mph zone on Interstate 35 in Ellis County in North Texas, said Lt. Danny Williams.

The car ignored deputies' attempts to stop it and continued speeding and weaving in and out of traffic before it was stopped, Williams said...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167526,00.html

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rbjensen Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:50 PM
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1. 110? DAMN! THAT'S FAST! n/t
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 03:30 PM
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13. I dunno...
I've driven on I-35E through Waxahatchie, TX and 110 isn't that fast for there, in my experience. I've had my doors blown off when I was going 85 mph, so I don't think it's all that big of a deal.

Of course, you'd have to know Waxahatchie and Texas' interstates to understand that.
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:02 PM
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16. of course it is a big deal, endangering others is big
speeding and weaving in and out endangers other drivers and inconveniences all drivers when they crash

Wake up it is stupid to even drive 85

KL
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:09 PM
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18. You aren't from TX, are you...
85 is pretty much normal driving here. I am passed by far more people than I pass at that speed.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:21 PM
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32. They're not from Texas
I'm (originally) from North Dakota and 85 is a conservative speed for those straight line flat roads. Hell, you can see another car coming for a mile and a half! Nah, I'm not condoning it....but I really don't believe they were doing 110. DWB (to say nothing of Driving While Supporting a Peace Demonstration) might have a bit to do with this.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 06:15 PM
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39. I dunno
I'm from here, and 85 isn't normal for me. In Dallas, I'll go 75 and I'll be keeping up.

Someone driving 110 is going way too fast and endangering lives.
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Centered Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:45 PM
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74. it's illegal.. that's all the reason you need
not to do it... besides speeding in a limo wastes gas (and don't think the talk shows wont hit on that for the next week)

Centered
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:25 PM
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88. Illegal? Perhaps...
but so is obstructing traffic, and going much slower than 80 to 85 has been construed as that. The official driving rules in Texas say (paraphrased) "go with the flow of traffic, even when that flow exceeds the posted limit."
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Centered Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:36 PM
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95. would love to see a link to that
according to the Texas drivers handbook the only portion where "flow" and "speed" are in the same area are here... quote:


"All drivers are required to obey posted maximum and minimum speed limits. These limits are designed to provide for the orderly flow of traffic under normal driving conditions. During periods of heavy traffic, inclement weather, low visibility, or other poor driving conditions, speed must be adjusted so that accidents will be avoided."

Also I did not see any references in these documents:

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/tntoc.html


Driving that fast in any vehicle on any highway in the USA is just stupid... and whomever does it deserves a ticket. I feel bad for the driver in these situations... they are usually told to do the speeding... hmmm ticket or lose your job... what a choice to have to make.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:21 PM
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33. That's true, it is stupid to drive 85 on I-35 in Texas:
you're slowing down all those poor drivers behind you. Speed up to a reasonable 90.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:33 PM
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69. It's fast in a limo...
Blind spots ahoy.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:50 PM
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2. *rolls eyes* good lord.
Typical fox story.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:59 PM
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8. Yeah, it's probably wind clocked at 110 as it passes Al Sharpton
car on way to inspect hurricane damage since Shrub wouldn't....

but if it was true, damn, he was in a hurry to catch that plane
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:52 PM
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3. *IF* true
no excuse for this. This kind of speed endangers EVERYONE and I could not fathom sitting in the back allowing some one to drive me this fast.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:59 PM
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7. This sounds so strange
These guys are risking being shot doing something like this. Especially a 9 mile chase. Strange.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 03:20 PM
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11. At 110mph...
...that 9 mile chase only took 4.9 minutes....Unreal.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:23 PM
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35. Risk being shot? Do you mean that ...
the pickup driver behind them doing 120 might turn around and grab a rifle off of his rack? That would be a bit risky at that speed, even for a Texan.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:53 PM
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4. Maybe he was just trying to get out of TX.. could be dangerous...
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:41 PM
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23. maybe he wanted one more news cycle
this is a disappointment
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:30 PM
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50. Didn't know where he was and thought he was in James Bird Country? eom
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:54 PM
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5. That must have been one hair-raising ride!
I can imagine the shocked group of passengers being led in prayer by the imperturbable Rev. Sharpton the whole time. I appreciate they preferred walking to the hotel rather than accept the offer for that ride, now that they'd probably missed their flight.

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JustSayNO 2 Sheeples Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:57 PM
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6. 110? In Texas? Nahhhhhh
That's not so unusual here in Texas, home of the all-American Nascar fan.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:13 PM
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19. You're right...
Ever drive the Austin/San Antonio corridor on a weekend? It's hell just trying to keep up in the slow lane at 75.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 03:05 PM
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9. Fox News: Naya nya nya (nt)
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:15 PM
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91. The Washington Post is also reporting this
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 03:17 PM
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10. I checked Google News and -
- other places are reporting it, too. A 9 mile chase at 110 mph endangers every other vehicle and passenger on the road, anyone walking along the road, as well as the cops chasing them.

The driver worked for Sharpton and Sharpton was in the car. Sharpton obviously didn't tell him to slow down or stop for the police. This incident says far more about Sharpton that it says about the driver.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 03:23 PM
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12. Politicians and power.
Anyone, besides a few like Kucinich, who wants to be a politician probably has a need for power. Not a whole lot different than a few rock stars.

Actually, 110 or 65- it's all dangerous. I ride bikes. And from my perspective, it doesn't matter, once it's over 10 mph.

Yeah, this is a pretty weird thing. I suppose we'll here more about it from Sharpton as well as the fodder it will supply the freeps.

We need to start the universe over.
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MarkTwain Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 03:30 PM
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14. And what is says about Sharpton...
...is what has been said, correctly, about Sharpton many times before.

He is a demonstrated and proved self-centered and arrogant fool who brings nothing to a cause as noble as Cindy's.

He is driven by one motive only: his own ego and its gratification. Damn the cost to a cause. Damn to the truth.

Damn the cost to anyone else. Damn to any set of Laws. This is but another of hundreds of such examples over the last twenty years for Al.

Whoever let him cross into that Camp to be associated with Cindy is stupid. Just plain dirt-dumb stupid.

The historical record is replete, for many, many years, on Sharpton and only a fool would have encouraged and allowed "Reverend Al" to soil the grounds of Camp Casey.
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 03:57 PM
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15. Al Sharpton has been consistent in his opposition to the war
as far as that part of the 'historical record' goes.

With such little concern for 'Laws' over the last twenty years(hundreds of examples evidently), I'm surprised he's roaming around free. When will somebody stop this madman?
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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:07 PM
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17. Thank you, Mark Twain!
I fully agree.
Sharpton is a publicity hound before everything else. He has to graft himself on to everyone's parade.

I don't care how much Sharpton has been against the war or how clever and witty he is. None of this makes up for his utter lack of character.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #17
45. how's that kool aide taste
:shrug:

peace
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 06:41 PM
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42. he's driving SLOWER than most Europeans on their highways? ----- > MP3
or many americans when late for a plane ride?

Camp Casey (short clip)
http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/cindy/al_sharpton-camp_casey-aar-.mp3

Barn Burner from 04 Dem Convention
http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/al_sharpton.mp3

though your post says a LOT about you, thanks for sharing :toast:

peace
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #14
47. so, com'on, tell how you really feel
about Al. I give him a 6 for rhetoric, he can move a crowd.

Also, traffic moves very fast on their freeways. I learned to always wear my seatbelt there, for fear of my life.

By the way, IMHO, we need everyone to join our coalition for peace :)
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:23 PM
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57. Or maybe he just had a plane to catch.
Just sayin'.
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JustSayNO 2 Sheeples Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:30 PM
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22. Being in cop work....
I can tell you, the report of "9 mile chase" makes it sound really bad. But that doesn't mean he was actually fleeing and eluding. Chances are, he wasn't even aware of a police unit attempting to stop him because the car was really nowhere in sight.

If the trooper who was trying to stop him was driving in the opposite direction or parked, by the time he got turned around or on the road, the vehicle was long gone. In Texas and most other rural areas, you might take 5 to 10 miles just to catch up with a speeder. "Catching up" is a whole lot different than "being in pursuit".

Chances are, the driver was clocked and the Trooper called ahead and had the car stopped by another trooper. That's not a chase, unless you are the media and want to spin it.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:45 PM
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24. Hey, thanks for clarifying that.
This could just be another spin to discredit someone who isn't a Bush supporter.
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JustSayNO 2 Sheeples Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:43 PM
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36. Charged with evading
Against my better judgment and after taking Pepto Bismol, I read the whole Faux article. It noted: Maupin posted a total of $1,000 in bonds on charges of evading arrest with a vehicle and reckless driving.

In that regard, it does sound like the driver was actually trying to elude intentionally. The probable cause for the charge will have to be proven in court.

Still no excuse for doing 110. But then, when our current Governor got caught doing the same thing and then tried to muscle his way out of his driver getting a ticket, I don't believe Faux Propaganda Network made much of the deal.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:18 PM
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30. Greate post. It's good to read informed comments. Thanks. n/t
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:48 PM
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37. I read a biography of James Michael Curley
and one of the things that stood out was that when he was Governer of MA his chauffer used to speed everywhere they went. Always in excess of 90 mph.

They even had a couple of wrecks, but they never hit the papers.

I'm actually not surprised at the Rev. Al's actions.

I'm sure many pols do this and get away with it regularly.

Anyone in Law Enforcement care to comment?
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JustSayNO 2 Sheeples Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. Right
You are absolutely right but it isn't limited to politicians. All one must do is read the rag sheets or watch Entertainment Tonight and see the same attitude being taken by actors and the "famous".

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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #40
59. Let's ask Sam Kinnison how it's working out for him.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #22
44. welcome to DU
and thanks for the additional perspective :toast:

BTW: concerning your sig line it made me think of a comment my uncle made, who was a medic in vietnam, in the summer of 03 when i asked him if he could believe the lying coming from the gov and he said 'when did they ever stop.' :cry:

peace
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:36 PM
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72. I could see a limo taking 9 miles to get over to the right
and off to a safe place to stop if a policeman turned on the flashers behind him in the left lane in traffic. Depending on the traffic there's probably a minute of "who's he after?"

Yeah, that's way too fast to drive a limo.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:13 PM
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20. Clearly, Mr. Sharpton hates...
freedom.
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Centered Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:50 PM
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82. or just his driver
:sarcasm:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:57 PM
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83. He was probably reading from the "Democrat Manifesto"
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 10:57 PM by Judi Lynn
while he instructed his driver to speed. They were probably both laughing loudly, and cussing, too. I'm surprised they weren't both drunk.

You can be sure those cops knew who was in every big car coming out of Camp Casey.

And WHO can prove they were NOT speeding when a cop claims they were?
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:20 PM
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21. OMG!!! The freepers sure jumped on this one quick!!!!
check out this

LINK

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:54 PM
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38. pffft
:spray:

:rofl:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:53 PM
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25. Remember Janklow? This isn't even newsworthy.
That ass got community service, after being a chronic, flagrant violator, and killing a motorcyclist.

The media is corrupt.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:10 PM
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28. Thank you for putting the media coverage in perspective.
The driver transporting Sharpton was irresponsible, though, no question about it.

That being said, I've certainly been on highways going 85 and wondering why the hell is everybody passing me?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:27 PM
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58. Ha, ha, Californians only pass people doing 85 mph while......
towing their 35ft power boat. Like Texas don't have no monopoly on crazies. The real brave ones are clocking that 55mph


http://home.insightbb.com/~hoosiermets/pigcookie.html
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:20 PM
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56. it's newsworthy because of Janklow
Janklow was given a pass on his murderous speeding habit, and it resulted in a man's death.

Sharpton shouldn't be given a pass either.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:58 PM
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26. It would be easy to speed that fast along those Texas roads.
However, it is totally illegal. I hope that it didn't really happen
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:59 PM
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27. Ten bucks says this is bullshit.
Knowing Fox News, I'll bet that they created it out of whole cloth. It just reeks of their style of crap. Remember the other "reckless speeding" stories Fox has put out? Grey Davis, anyone? I seem to recall one about Al Gore, too.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:16 PM
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29. "That nine-mile chase is news to me," Sharpton told The Associated Press.
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 05:24 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
WAXAHACHIE, Texas -- A car carrying the Rev. Al Sharpton led sheriff's deputies on a nine-mile chase at speeds up to 110 mph before state troopers stopped the vehicle and arrested the driver, authorities said.

The civil rights activist called the sheriff's report "ludicrous" and accused the Ellis County officers of "embellishing the story."


"That nine-mile chase is news to me," Sharpton told The Associated Press. "All I know is that the police pulled us over because they wanted to talk to the driver about speeding."

Chief Deputy Charles Sullins said driver Jarrett B. Maupin, 43, was rushing Sharpton to Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport after Sharpton visited anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan on Sunday at her camp outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901232.html

It goes on to say the car was impounded and that Sharpton made his flight by catching a ride with a passing motorist.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:19 PM
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31. How irresponsible: 110 mph!
Why that must have been at least 10 mph faster than all the other drivers.

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:23 PM
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34. I had a rental car up to 133 in Texas not too long ago
Man, I just LOVE ungoverned rental cars.


Hey, at least I wasn't weaving. :eyes:
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pimpbot Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:56 PM
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75. you got lucky
Most rental cars have GPS nowadays, or a black box. Read the fine print on your rental agreement. I remember some guy was speeding and the rental company downloaded the data from his car, then they charged him $$$$ for violating some rule "Driving faster than posted speed" or somethin like that.

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:58 AM
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84. Most are governed at 108 or so...don't ask me how I know.
:rofl:

A GPS receiver would be pretty easy to see (they have to have "open sky" reception, so mounted on the roof, trunklid, etc.). I see them on rigs and rental vans, but have yet to see one on a rental car, and I rent at least two cars every week (I travel a lot).

:toast:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 06:41 PM
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41. Any autobahn driver would get a big laugh about this
German advocates of continuing the no speed limit policy are just as tenacious as anti-gun control people are here.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 06:43 PM
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43. Here's Rick Perry speeding in Texas....
http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/000852.html

This describes the video, I'm still looking for it.

Nothin' new here...
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MarkTwain Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 06:49 PM
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46. So much for the various Sharpton Apologists...
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 06:56 PM by MarkTwain
... in this thread who have attempted, through various convoluted hypotheses and conjecture, to explain away what happened today with good old "Reverend Al" :

"Sharpton's Driver Pulled Over Doing 110 After Sheehan Visit"
Monday, August 29, 2005

CRAWFORD, Texas — A driver for the Rev. Al Sharpton (search) led Ellis County Sheriff's deputies on a nine-mile chase at speeds up to 110 mph before state troopers stopped the car, authorities said.

- SNIP -

The car carrying Sharpton and two other passengers was clocked doing 110 mph in a 65 mph zone on Interstate 35 in Ellis County in North Texas, said Lt. Danny Williams.The car ignored deputies' attempts to stop it and continued speeding and weaving in and out of traffic before it was stopped, Williams said.


Calls Monday to Sharpton's spokeswoman were not immediately returned. A spokesman for his attorney, Michael Hardy, referred inquiries to the spokeswoman. Deputies arrested Jarrett Barton Maupin (search), 43, of Phoenix.

- SNIP -

Williams said his officers offered Sharpton and the other, unidentified passengers a ride to a hotel across the highway, but they declined and walked there instead. Maupin posted a total of $1,000 in bonds on charges of evading arrest with a vehicle and reckless driving.

http://www.rawstory.com/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167526,00.html

All that the "Good" Reverend had to do, sitting in the same auto which he had hired, was to advise his hired driver to 1. slow down, and 2. stop for an authorized police vehicle obviously in pursuit of an automobile recklessly challenging other lives on the road.

.... but then again, he might have missed his flight. Pity the poor soul.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. For the record, Sharpton did make a statement to AP
"That nine-mile chase is news to me," Sharpton told The Associated Press. "All I know is that the police pulled us over because they wanted to talk to the driver about speeding."

<snip>

Sharpton caught a lift from a passing driver and made his scheduled flight to New York.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901232.html

Just pointing out that the current AP story is not the same as the one on still featured on FOX from which you quote.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #51
73. Certainly a passenger in a limo is in no way responsible for the
driving. Isn't that what a limo is for?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. Post #51 has the info. without the venom. n/t
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MarkTwain Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. For the antics of "Reverend" Al and those of his apologists,..
... the venom expressed is nary one percent of that which they deserve.

This idiot allows new definition to the term egomaniac while he uses the progressive movement and its less discerning constituents as pawns in his multiple and all too frequent manipulative games and intrigues played out on the national stage.

As to the response of the Good "Reverend" quoted above, one need only reference one of the "Reverend's" more stellar appearances on the national stage - along with his team of Maddux and Mason, a real trifecta - on behalf of their child-pawn, Ms. Tawana Brawley, to gage the veracity of anything which comes out of The Preacher Man's mouth.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #55
61. Oh please
AS a black person I can think of many things done to harm black people than can be brought up. It's disgusting that a black man who does something that others dislike, or who makes a mistake, will have that so called offense held against him forever. No so with others. Why the double standard? It's racism, pure and simple. OJ Simpson will be in the eyes of many people the face of the murderer. The death of his alleged victims will be memorialized each year. No so Robert Blake and others acquitted. The attacks being hurled at Sharpton were hurled at the late Johnny Cochran for simply dong his job. Never mind that during much of his career he defended both black and whites and did other good deeds. Al Sharpton is no racist. He has helped both blacks and whites and continues to try to aid those who have little voice in this society. I get so tired of this double standard. Racism is alive and well in this country.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. You really never expect to see them around Democrats, either.
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 09:36 PM by Judi Lynn
The Southern Democrats who thought like that became Republicans in the 1960's. That's when they migrated. They left the Party.

IF one of them shows up here, he may be a lost Republican, looking for Free Republic.

Al Sharpton has many, many admirers here.
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MarkTwain Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #61
64. If "racism" is falsely equated with a contempt for....
... a person - irrespective of the color of his skin - who lies, fabricates, and does so by the manipulation of a child for his own selfish ends, i.e., Tawana Brawley, then that would, I guess, be wrongly labeled racism.

In my book, it's not racism but it is a healthy regard for honesty and integrity; irrespective of where a person may subsequently place themselves on the political spectrum.

The rest of the people referenced have neither standing nor merit in a discussion of the behaviour of the target of this thread: "Reverend" Al. They are merely an attempt to distract attention from the subject and his conduct: his frequent egoistic excesses on the national stage of which this car chase was but the most recent....

.... and done so at the expense of a very fine and honorable exercise, that of Camp Casey.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. Baloney
It's the same old rubbish we blacks hear all the time. For some people,it's always so much worse when a black person does something wrong. Why? It's the color factor. Black athletes behave badly and they are called animals and white commentators demand that the book be thrown at them. White hockey player bloody each other on the ice and in one case almost paralyzes a player, no such names hurled at them. Pat Buchanan can say things that might lead one to believe he does not like Jews but he get his own tv show and is part of the pundit class. Farrakhan says something that might also lead one to believe Jews are not his favorite people and he is condemned in Congress and is constantly reminded of what he said years ago. Yes, I believe that is a double standard and it is all about race. You DEMAND honest an integrity from a black man. I haven't seen where Sharpton lacks those attributes. He certainly is not perfect but neither are most prominent figures. African Americans have no power in this country. Power lies in the hands of white people. Have you also demanded honesty and integrity from political leaders, from members of congress? If so, you haven't gotten it from many of them. There are people who just love to pounce on black leaders for their alleged misdeeds but do not direct such venom at members of the majority community who have done as much or even worse. For some in this society, the black man must always behave perfectly or he is forever condemned. The double standard is simply appalling and is about nothing but race.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. Would it be possible for you to provide credible evidence Al Sharpton
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 09:33 PM by Judi Lynn
fabricated and manipulatead the story you want to obsess over? I've never seen anything which would lead to that conclusion.

You apparently have overlooked reading the AP article a DU'er posted for you indicating that he BOTH gave comment to that news organization, unlike the info. in your post, AND was unaware of the speed, and the pursuit, sitting in another part of the vehicle, as it were. Did you not see that he merely was able to catch a ride and connect with his flight, anyway?
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #61
79. Congratulations for being the first in this thread -
- to play the race card.

I don't care if Sharpton is skyblue pink, anyone who professes to care about and devote their life to the well being of others and then totally ignores their safety while breaking laws to benefit themself is nothing more than a self-serving con-man who feels they are above the law.

Color, politics and/or religion has nothing to do with it no matter how much Sharpton wants to play the game for all three.

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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #79
87. Nonsense
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 02:24 PM by Tomee450
Just more right wing rhetoric. The tactic now is to accuse critics of racism of being racist or of playing the race card. That tactic is clearly seen through and is a bit old. Certain people readily pounce on Sharpton for speeding yet conveniently ignore the fact that blacks are racially profiled every day in this country. They are constantly being pulled over by the police for no good reason whatsoever and this could have been one of those situations. But, oh no, it's Al Sharpton and his critics, full of hate, prefer to believe the account of the police, the police with its history of abusing African Americans. The same critics are more than willing to forget that it was in Tulia, Texas where a substantial segment of the black population was imprisoned for drug trafficking, a charge later found to be untrue. Some people find it impossible look fairly at a situation involving a black person, especially when such person has offended members of the majority population. That is always the case for some people when Sharpton's name is brought up. The venom directed at him is worse than that directed at David Duke or Robert Byrd, two people who have been members of an organization that has lynched thousands of black men,women and children. The double standard is glaring.

If Sharpton was speeding, I wouldn't blame him. I have relatives who live in Texas and they and their friends will not travel to certain parts of that state because of the deep racism that exists in those areas. Sharpton might have been fearful. If so, he had good reason to be.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. Tawana Brawley
Oh? For your information, many people still believe Tawana Brawley. Just because a jury did not believe her does not mean they were correct. It's quite common for juries not to believe the claims of a black victim. Even in civil cases, lawyers will tell their black clients that they will do their best but they cannot expect to get as large an award as a white person might receive. Black people are quite aware that our justice system is not fair when it comes to people of color. When black people discuss racism, we are often told to get over it yet here you are still talking about a case that is almost twenty years old....but of course the anger shown in your posts speaks volumes as to the reason.
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MarkTwain Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. "but of course the anger shown in your posts speaks volumes....
.....as to the reason."

Well, turn up that volume a little more. You'll hear nothing but a contempt for a liar and a fraud.

Irrespective of whether that lie and that fraud was twenty days or twenty years old....

... "Reverenend" Al owns that lie and perpetrated that fraud at the expense of a child.

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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #65
71. You can have your
opinion and I will have mine. I think much of the hatred directed at Sharpton is due solely to the fact that he is an outspoken black man fighting to help the voiceless of all races in this society. Others hate him because he supported a black child who accused white people. I've seen this all before as have many African Americans. When we see this kind of venom, we know the root cause is race. Only black people are expected to be perfect. When blacks complains about the hundreds of years of abuse they have suffered, we are told to get over it. But others can continue hurling their vitriol against a black person forever. They don't have to get over it. Something wrong with that picture.
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MarkTwain Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #71
85. Please spare me....
.... the phony heartache.

For the most part, this entire board is devoted and targeted toward one group and rightfully so: rich, heterosexual, unduly and illegitimately powerful, and old WHITE Men.

Shaprton's an egomaniac fool and those who jump aboard his bus get what they eventually deserve by their support of him. Just why is it that some people can't turn the same critical and discerning eye of judgment against someone who happens to share the same pigmentation as do they?

To me, that is racism at it's worst.

Moreover, yes. Robert Blake should be in a cell on the same cell block as should OJ. They're both as evil as all hell no matter what their skin color.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #85
86. Oh please, just more garbage
Your protestations to the contrary, I say it still is about race. Al Sharpton is black. How dare he state his opinion. How dare he act to defend someone who is black against persons who are not. He is accused, therefore guilty. This is the common fate of blacks in America. Certain people demand more of black people than they do of themselves. A black person offends he is condemned forever. A white person behaves similarly and he is allowed to get on with his life. The way certain people hate Sharpton and other black leaders, you'd think they were members of supremacist organizations. Some people here treat Sharpton worse than they do Senator Byrd who was a member of one of the most vicious organizations on the globe. You can deny, deny, deny. But the truth stands. The criticism, the continued hatred of Sharpton is all about race. It is pure racism. I guess that uppity Negro should stay in his place, eh?

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:14 PM
Response to Original message
48. You know what's REALLY filthy behavior in a public figure.....
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 07:29 PM by Judi Lynn
It's LYING an entire country into another bogus war, maiming, crippling, destroying human beings, sending orphans out into the void, breaking hearts, minds, spirits.

It's also filthy trying to target minority people, pretending you're doing "news" pieces on them, in order to reawaken the racist idiots still infesting the country.
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:27 PM
Response to Original message
49. I Was In A Cab In Downtown Manhattan A Few Years Ago...
and I heard an amazing speaker on the cab radio. Very inspired.

I asked the cabbie, "Who's that on the radio. You know?"

He smiled in the rear view mirror and said "Al Sharpton."

I'll always cut Sharpton slack for that.

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Solar Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:48 PM
Response to Original message
53. that hardly raises an eyebrow in Texas
I-35 is most likely one of the fastest interstates in the nation. I've driven on there going 100 and my dad has been up to 120 (where its safe to do so) in Oklahoma. Really, the interstates there are flat and straight. If theres nobody around you, you can get up around those speeds. You try driving 65 on I-35 and you'll cause an accident from driving too slow.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. unless Al Sharpton is a passenger
Then it's further proof that he's a horrible, horrible man. :eyes:
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nothometoday Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #53
60. Wow.faster than I would drive, but
ODD how it's one of Faux's top stories........where *IS* the death and destruction in the world this hour of the day??? NO car chases? Bush off on a bender??? Here, You get arrested driving your bike drunk.
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:54 PM
Response to Original message
66. How much time do you get for being a passenger
in a speeding car in Texas anyhow?

Tar and feathers for being a passenger, so I guess it'd be the rope if he was driving, huh?

And to top it all off these bionic eared idiots in this thread has already heard Sharpton when he 'did not' tell the driver to slow down.

Yep, get the rope boys, he is black, he is liberal, and he believed in someone who said they were wronged and stood up for them. And the ultimate insult, he traveled a long distance to lend support to a grieving widow whoose son was thrown away in a senseless war for greed.

Dad gummit thats three strikes in anybodies book, and for the fourth strike hang him from a higher tree.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #66
70. If Al Sharpton hadn't come along, no doubt they'd be bitching
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 09:39 PM by Judi Lynn
about Joan Baez, and Martin Sheen, etc., etc. if they thought it would get them the attention they crave.

The D.U. is simply the wrong place to try to backstab Democrats. It takes some people a while to grasp this truth.
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #70
93. Disruptors are not Democrats.....
Even those with high post count!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #93
94. Truly. It seems all too clear they've wandered into the wrong place


Democrats don't think like that. If they did, they'd be Republicans.
The two sets of principles are not easily confused, no matter how hard Republicans try to pretend otherwise.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #94
96. I agree
Lately,it seems that DU has been invaded by quite a number of people who certainly don't sound like progressives. I've been told by some minorities who used to lurk and post sometimes that DU does not appear as welcoming as before.
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. And I am one of them
Disruptors all.

From a campaign started by FR back in last part of 2001 and first of 2002. People here think they can convert these idiots by reasoning with them.

But, it just turns out that they are feeding the trolls and getting threads locked containing otherwise good discussions.
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Naipes Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:58 PM
Response to Original message
76. WHY Link to Fox News?
Certainly there are other sources for this story. It's an AP feed. Why give FOX (and their advertisers) the website hits? Please, quit reading, watching and listening to FOX news! Don't feed the trolls. The same story can be found elsewhere. Fox Sux.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:59 PM
Response to Original message
77. No one below Bush and crew
is above the law! Al needs to run for president again and win so he too can be above the law. Actually 110 is way to fast, I want to hear the full story behind this speedy exit.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:06 PM
Response to Original message
78. Only friends and family of * are allowed to break the law.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:26 PM
Response to Original message
80. Maybe Sharpton was concerned about the possibility of becoming....
...one of the "disappeared".

Think about it.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. I believe getting a ticket and a lotta bad press is better than what COULD
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 10:46 PM by Judi Lynn
have happened to him, considering where he was, Bush's back yard, and the right-wing's unadorned murderous hatred for anyone different from them.

It's the same State Police which doesn't know anything about his (Bush's) DUI in Texas, and his new driver's license.

To show the hate-filled attitude they STILL have for liberals, check this paragraph from their local press carried by some of their tv stations:
Williams says the car was impounded at the rental agency's request, and Sharpton and the two other passengers were offered a ride to a nearby hotel. They declined and said they'd walk. No word on to where.
(snip)
http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3778472

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


They probably laughed themselves senseless snickering over that clumsy, insipid quip. What snotty, bullying "wit." "No word on to where." Hyuk, hyuk, hyuk. Snort. Wheeze.

"To where" meant they got a ride IMMEDIATELY taking them to the airport. Fools! Idiots! Morans!

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #81
89. Well, I like Al too, but if this was Shrub, or Delay, we'd all be
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 02:26 PM by napi21
screaming THEY THINK THEY'RE ABOVE THE LAW!"

Just pay the damn ticket Al, and bel damn glad you weren't killedin a damn car wreck!
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. But if it was Shrub or Delay,
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 02:47 PM by Tomee450
we could be certain that the account given by the police was true. Not so in the case of African Americans. Police officer many times fabricate their reports. If Sharpton is guilty, of course he should pay the fine. But there are two accounts here and, sorry, being African American and knowing what the police have done in cases involving blacks, I am not going to readily accept the account given by the police as true. It's sad that members of certain communities do not feel they can trust the very people who are paid to protect them.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #90
98. I'm sure they knew who everyone was at Camp Casey
Being able to harrass a prominent lib'rul would be a temptation too hard to pass up.

How WOULD someone prove he was not speeding, anyway? I'd like to refer to the "good ol' boy" jocularity echoing in the report carried by Texas tv stations: the same story was carried by several I checked at google.

At the end, it said that the cop gave him a chance to get a ride, and he said he'd walk. The report ends with the obnoxious, "Walk to where, he wouldn't say." Time for poking each other in the ribs and laughing. Idiots.

I believe there's every chance it was a bogus stop just to harrass him. They wouldn't have been able to live with their good ol' boy selves if they had allowed him safe passage back to the airport.

They had to let him know who's boss. (This is my opinion, of course, based on a lifetime of watching bullies.)
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. I agree totally
I also feel that they probably knew it was Sharpton and this traffic incident was devised to show him their power and put him in his place.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #89
92. How many people sitting BEHIND THE DRIVER
are aware of how fast he's going?

Have you read none of the posts on this thread, including the post by a police officer?
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 09:36 PM
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100. I tried just driving the speed limit from San Antonio
to El Paso and thought I had entered another dimension without time. True space madness.
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