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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 09:50 AM
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Handicapped Woman Struck, Killed By Ft. Stewart Solider
http://www.news4jax.com/news4georgia/2578869/detail.html

excerpt:

Police said Cindy Doulas, 51, was trying to cross the main road used to enter Fort Stewart Tuesday evening in a pedestrian crosswalk. She was struck by a 1998 Toyota pickup driven by Lawrence Cloutier, of Fort Stewart. Police say the impact shattered the scooter.

Police say the impact shattered the scooter. Doulas was pronounced dead at Liberty Regional Medical Center.

Cloutier, 20, is with the 9th Field Artillery. He had just returned from Iraq.

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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 09:52 AM
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1. I think this is important....
A handicapped Hinesville woman is dead after being hit as she tried to cross a busy intersection in a motorized scooter.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 09:56 AM
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2. She Was In The Crosswalk
Drivers are supposed to yield to pedestrians in crosswalks.
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 10:03 AM
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4. You are correct, I merely thought it was important to include
that it was a busy intersection and also to explain what was meant by the term "scooter" in the original post. I realize the limitations imposed by not wanting to violate the copyright rules we have here, but I also understand that many only read the post and not the article.

There is still much here we do not know. We know it was evening but not if it was dark. We know she was in the crosswalk but not the color of the light. We don't know if either of the people involved were impaired. We don't know if the driver of the car was speeding.


I simply wanted to add more info to the post.
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histohoney Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 10:05 AM
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6. Laws very from state to state.
In some states (like mine) anything motorized and wheeled must follow the same traffic laws as a car, that goes for handicap scooters, to the stand up electric zip scooters. I wasn't there but maybe she was going against her light? I don't know but I have seen lots of people going into the cross walk against the light here at the hospital with scooters.
When these scooters are sold, he laws of that state should be made plain to the buyers.:o
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 09:59 AM
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3. Of course it's terrible, but
what difference does it make if the guy was a soldier. It sounds like a terrible accident.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 10:04 AM
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5. I just think that there might be a reason to
have some place (am merely an individual) do a study of returning soldiers and the death and accident rate -

there have been a lot of news stories that say (paraphrasing here) "returned from Iraq only to die in ___________ (fill in blank with accident, accidental shooting, single car wreck)

Are our soldiers being brought back in an emotional state that does not allow them to easily fit back into mainstream society?

Just asking...

not an indictment of any type by posting the story.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 10:08 AM
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7. Very true - didn't mean to sound
so snippy about it.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 10:17 AM
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8. no offense taken
just thought I might clarify - I try not to put my thoughts into an original post, allowing the readers to form their own conclusions - so how can anyone really know the reason for posting any piece?

But you sounded as though I was picking on the soldier - no, just noting another "accident" and yes, there are these types of accidents every day in some place or other, so that in and of itself was not noteworthy -

but I wonder what the percentage of returning soldier's "accidents" are compared to the regular population - probably no way of really knowing -
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jplawne Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 05:48 PM
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13. Statisitcally speaking
Besides not really being able to compare soldiers to the general population, being more accident prone than the average in of itself means little. By definition, 50% of sub groups will be above the general population accident rate and 50% will be below. So the questions that one would have to ask is 1) are soldiers above or below the average 2) how to they compare will the norm for soliders (ie; those not just back from conflict) 3) are the difference satistically significant 4) and from a society point of view is it a problem-- in other words are we concerned about all sub groups above the accident average or just soliders back from Iraq?
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:02 PM
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9. There was a recent thread on the problems of returning soldiers
The general conclusion was that soldiers just back from Iraq are being dumped into the general community without any sort of transition, and that often they are not prepared to function in it.

They are not merely stressed out -- they are also accustomed to operating without much concern for civilians. And they don't get over that just by being told, "Okay, you're home now." They need a kind of help which they're not getting, and we're all going to suffer for it.
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Kusala Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:58 PM
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10. I hate when i'm on a bike
and crossing an intersection, after I've received the WALK signal, and some idiot making a right turn decides RED does not mean stop when making a right turn.

I've almost been hit more than a few times.

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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 01:03 PM
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11. Why are you ona bike in th crosswalk
As I remember, bicycles have access to the roadways. Even if you claim you must use the sidewalks, the law clearly states that you should walk the bike across the street. You can't have it both ways. That is why the signal says "WALK".
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tlb Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 01:25 PM
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12. Traffic accidents are Breaking News now ?
Or only ones involving soldiers ?
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 07:32 PM
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14. Exactly.
Let's not gang up on the military every time some military makes the news. Everything is not a BFEE plot. It also takes away from the "real" news.
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 09:37 PM
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15. I don't understand why this thread is in Breaking News Folder
Is it because the driver was a soldier? If yes then you're wrong
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