Poll: Americans Want Bush Impeached

[bemildred]

Poll: Americans Favor Bush's Impeachment If He Lied about Iraq

By a margin of 50% to 44%, Americans say that President Bush should be impeached if he lied about the war in Iraq, according to a new poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org, a grassroots coalition that supports a Congressional investigation of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003.

The poll was conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs, the highly-regarded non-partisan polling company. The poll interviewed 1,001 U.S. adults on October 8-9.

The poll found that 50% agreed with the statement:

"If President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable by impeaching him."

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[jasmeel]

1. The kicker is-how do we prove to people he lied? We know it

but, we would need an independent investigation.

[sundancekid]

4. could be the bonus from the PlameGate indictments leading to TREASON!

[sofa king]

29. Article One,

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." --Our Dear Leader, January 29,2003.

There is no standard of proof for an impeachment trial. It's a yea-or-nay thing, and the answer to that will likely be based entirely on politics and practically none at all on truth.

I'm pretty sure that lying to Congress, knowingly telling an untruth to Congress, and being so incompetent and evil-spirited that one willingly tells Congress whatever it needs to hear to let the President run off to war is still just one crime: giving false information to Congress while performing the Constitutional duty of reporting the State of the Union.

This is what a lot of us have been screaming all along: it's not how white the lie was, it was who the lie was told to. The President was supposed to be honestly reporting the State of the Union. Instead, like the dishonest revival preacher that he is, he used that Constitutionally-required duty as a platform from which to present his completed disinformation campaign. And in doing so, he offered that disinformation to Congress.

It makes no difference whether or not the President or Congress believed it at the time; the important thing is that nobody believes it now.

So that's Article One, if you ask me. Everything else: investigation tampering, election theft, payola, the conspiracy of thieves, takes second place.

[madmark]

53. Congress wanted to believe the lies; so did the media; quite

frankly the legislative branch (dems and reps), the administrative branch , and the fourth estate are all equally culpable. Of course if congress and the media want to make bush the sole scapegoat, fine, but after they do it anybody that voted authority for this war should be voted out, and the cheerleading reporters should be fired.

[Kralizec]

30. People should be able to figure that out themselves. It's been obvious

from the beginning. The problem starts with the people. The people. It shouldn't take extreme formality (indy investigation) for the people to see the lies...

Just my 2 cents.

Peace.

[leesa]

40. It's been proved over and over again. They don't want to believe it.

[IntravenousDemilo]

48. Were his lips moving?

QED

[indigo32]

55. we have a winner

LOL

[LetsGoMurphys]

62. independent investigations are only for democrats in trouble n/t

[Deja Q]

2. Once again, only if ALL Americans were polled would this be accurate...

That having been said, if no proper investigation is made, it's only going to make the populace more and more convinced about the people they put back into power on 02 November 2004.

"If President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable by impeaching him."

There was no imminent threat. That has been PROVEN, even if Saddam really had dismantled and moved his weapons over the years. The drumbeat to war was the talk of IMMINENT THREAT and it was said so many times it's etched into our brains.

9/11 was not related to Iraq. The admin has SAID as such.

[jayctravis]

35. Diane Rehm had Scott Ritter on this morning.

And you could almost hear her jaw hitting the floor as he detailed how finding that Iraq had surrendered all of the WMD they had was a conclusion he was expressly not supposed to come up with.

[radfringe]

50. Check out BUSH-BE-GONE index

http://www.stevemagruder.com/hub.php?section=foyer&tab=bbgindex

"The following daily search engine poll seeks to determine the public mood with respect to the idea of getting President George W. Bush out of office through impeachment, resignation or some vague idea of removal. The higher the score, the greater the mood for Bush-be-gone."

[gilpo]

3. We are all dreaming if we think the repug controlled Congress

will even investigate the lies. Forget about impeachment, it'll never happen I'm sad to say.

[Say_What]

6. Yeah, but the midterms are just around the corner...he he he

:evilgrin:

[AndyTiedye]

23. They Stole The 2000, 2002, and 2004 Elections...

...what can possibly stop them from stealing the 2006 elections too?

[JoFerret]

51. Whats to be joyful about that?

A year away and that''s a lifetime. No national elections just all local politics. And no dynamic unified democratic engine cranking up with a forceful, coherent message of hope and change for the better.

[Kurovski]

7. Congress does what the people want, or they are gone, pfft!, bye-bye!

Especially if congress sits on its hands where a crime has occured. If not, it will make every single Republican look corrupt and criminal themselves.

Don't be too sorry, we can heave the Repubs out in '06.

I hope you'll be joining us.

[Maine-ah]

14. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Lochloosa]

25. Welcome to DU gilpo

enjoy it and learn.:hi:

[alarcojon]

41. Welcome to DU!

and I hope you're wrong, but I fear you're right.

[leQ]

44. welcome to DU!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. Considering that most people equate impeach with convict and eject ...

Considering that most people equate impeach with convict and eject, this is outstanding.

[Orsino]

8. If the MSM ever allow us...

...to hear the briefest mention of this story, that will indicate a real change in the wind.

[Just Me]

9. I'm rather disappointed.

:shrug:

Perhaps more meat should be added: If President Bush misrepresented the reasons for going to war with Iraq and, not only advanced gross profiteering by his VP and other cronies on the backs of the American taxpayer but also sacrificed national security and destabilized the world, Congress must consider holding him accountable by impeaching and indicting him and his administration.

[UpInArms]

10. If?????

"If President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable by impeaching him."

Who with a lucid thinking mind could even tag that with an "if"????

The freakin' mistake of nature did

LIE

:banghead:

[Hissyspit]

11. Nominated.

[RebelOne]

12. Call me a pessimist, but Bush will never be impeached.

With all the crap that has been proven against this asshole, if he has not been impeached by now, he never will be. We are just going to have to suffer through the rest of his term.

[MzShellG]

13. True...

He'd declare martial law before being impeached, given his track record of power abuse.

[mshasta]

15. that is the agenda...

for this reptilians.....

[amber dog democrat]

17. and if the military refuses to go along?

Unlawful orders ?

[CTyankee]

19. I agree. The only thing these repukes in Congress understand

is when their constituents tell them that * is toast and if they want to keep their frickin' jobs they better do something about him. The diehards will stay -- after all, some Nazis went down in the bunker with Hitler in the last days of WWII-- but enough will save their own butts and turn on the guy.

Lookin' bad in the repuke 'hood right about now.

[pokercat999]

60. Exactly until we (as a country) admit

that the POTUS is a war criminal conducting an illegal war of aggression there is nothing else of importance to say.

Price of gas, global warming, pollution, the next election, incompetence in govt (SCOTUS/FEMA)....who cares, the POTUS is a war criminal, until he is brought to justice nothing else matters.

Regardless of the question our answer should be the POTUS is a WAR CRIMINAL!

[Realityhack]

16. Congres should *CONSIDER* holding him responsible...

by impeaching etc... that is a lot diffrent than asking people if they think he should be impeached.

It's also a fairly small sample IMO.

Besides * will not be impeached. Its a nice dream but get over it.

[Peace Patriot]

18. The same Bushite electronic voting companies that re-installed Bush

in 2004, with their SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, also installed a third or more of this Congress. These far rightwing corporations (mainly Diebold and ES&S) now have control of the vote tabulation, for all future primaries and elections. They decide who runs. They decide who wins.

So, nothing much is going to change--and there will be no accountability--until the American people throw these election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor'!

We need...

1. Paper ballots hand-counted at the precinct level (--Canada does it in one day, although speed should not even be a consideration, just accuracy and verifiability)

or, at the least...

2. Paper ballot (not "paper trail") backup of all electronic voting, a 10% automatic recount, very strict security, and NO SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code! (...jeez!).

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See "MythBreakers," an easy to read pamphlet on the perils of electronic voting: http://www.votersunite.org

See, a project for statistical monitoring of the 2006 and 2008 elections: http://www.UScountvotes.org

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Another "in-the-meantime" strategy: Overwhelm the rigged electronic programming with massive turnouts of progressive votes, even greater than 2004. In 2004, we blew the Bushites away in new voter registration, nearly 60/40. It needs to be 80/20. We beat Bush by a 4% to 5% margin, in 2004. It needs to be closer to 10%. The turnout was huge--20 million more votes than in 2000. It needs to be even bigger, in '08, and proportionally in '06 and other elections. There are limits on the extent to which the electronic machines can be rigged. I think there was a limit in 2004 because of the need to pre-program the machines. I think that's why they did Ohio--nasty, overt vote suppression, with open violations of the Voting Rights Act. The secret, electronic programming only got them so far. They had to supplement it with overt, visible vote suppression and purges of black voters. It also has to look sort of all right. They can't just go into a big Dem precinct and flip it over to Bush, for instance--although they can tweak some of it. So the potential is there for the success of an even more massive turnout than we did in 2004.

We mustn't let people despair and stop voting. But we can't lie to them either (as the damned Dem Party leadership is doing!), or we will never get rid of these infernal machines.

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We need a bumper sticker:

Beat the machines! Get everybody to vote!

Rigged machines can be outvoted--if you VOTE!

Stop election theft! Get everybody to VOTE!

Yes, it's rigged! You gonna take this crap? VOTE!

Overwhelm election theft with VOTES!

[indepat]

20. About 44% will give W a pass, no matter what

[AndyTiedye]

24. Only 37% Lately, But That's All They Need

They can steal a mere 15% of the vote easily.

[indepat]

47. Therein lies the predicament: my fantasy is everything will be revealed

some day soon.

[katty]

21. Impeached for that AND a laundry list of other crimes

[Catfight]

22. Let's do it before he appoints another SCOTUS!!!!!!! nt

[Tab]

26. And the net effect would be....

Cheney becomes president.

At least officially, like he's not now...

:(

[many a good man]

28. Nah, he'll make Dobson VP first

Secret promise, ya know. Can't share the details....

[gulfcoastliberal]

27. Shh! The DLC dems will accuse you of being an extreme liberal!

Don't give the dems any excuse to hold * accountable! Appeasment is their grand strategy.

[jarnocan]

31. get your signs

at whatever you want to pay/donate http://impeachbush.org or make some etc. and please don't just go about your usual business on Nov. 2nd.

[Name removed]

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[daleo]

34. I say "so what"

Bush was the liar, and Bush started the war.

[goforit]

33. The guy doesn't need to be impeached , he needs to be arrested!!!

Without bail!!!

[cassiepriam]

39. Yes, amazing he is still in office and not in prison, where he belongs.

[GetTheRightVote]

36. It is about time the American public realize the evil done in their names

I am so glad to see we are turning away fromt this admin and seeking to put them in their place for the lies given to us.

:kick:

[pro_blue_guy]

37. We all know he lied!

We ALL know he lied (well, the smart ones know). Impeach the bastard and send him back to Texas.

[opihimoimoi]

38. He should be impeached for abusing the tiny 8 penny nail on

his Habitat Photo Op today. 13 hits is torturing the nail only as a gurly mon can.

IMPEACH....

[TNOE]

42. Funny how the people don't matter anymore

A Majority of the People did not want Clinton impeached over a sexual matter - yet a Majority of the People want Bush* impeached over lies which started an illegal war and the deaths and maiming of American Soldiers and innocent Iraqi's - and yet - what the People want - who are supposed to own our government - don't matter. Kind of sums it all up - the government is no longer for the people by the people anymore.

[D_Master]

43. Only 50%??

We impeached a sitting president for supposedly lying to a jury about his sex life, yet only 50% of the country would want a president to be impeached if he lied in starting a war that has cost thousands of people their lives? I don't get a lot of people's thinking in this country.

[nolabels]

45. Never trust pollsters, EVER

The thing that occurs to me about this whole thing is it appears a lot more people are starting understand that they are being lied to wholesale



Bolivia
A mass insurrection overthrows the president
By Jorge Mart�n

�This is the victory of the poor, the workers and the peasants�. This is how Roberto de La Cruz, leader of the El Alto Regional Workers� Union celebrated the resignation of the hated �people-killer president� Sanchez de Lozada in the afternoon of Friday October 17.


Friday 17 mass demonstration in La Paz
Finally the mass uprising which has shaken Bolivia for nearly a month has managed to overthrow the gringo Goni as he is known. Faced with a mass mobilisation, which was growing stronger despite the brutal repression which caused more than 80 deaths, finally the US embassy withdrew support from their puppet. Ambassador David Greenlee had a meeting with former vice-president Carlos Mesa on Thursday evening to agree on a �constitutional way out to the crisis�, that is a change of fa�ade to try and prevent the whole building from collapsing.

The masses, gathered in the streets of the capital and the main cities of the country, paralysed by the indefinite general strike called by the Bolivian Workers� Union COB since September 29, celebrated with joy and anger the fleeing of the hated president. Once again a hated bourgeois president has had to escape by helicopter to avoid the fury of the workers and peasants. Sanchez de Lozada has joined an increasingly long list of Latin-American presidents who have fallen as a result of the mass mobilization of the workers and peasants against the capitalist policies of cuts and austerity.

[Sallow]

59. Go to Hannity.com..

Just read some of the posts there..it's like being in Bizzaro land. People can get very very whacky..

[Fluffdaddy]

46. And How will we Ever prove that He lied ? Wasted thought people

Lets move on. Time to start thinking about 2006 an 2008 elections

[Roy]

49. Just put him under oath....

These people are incapable of telling the truth.

that was too easy.

[meganmonkey]

54. So criminals should be allowed to get away with causing the deaths

of over a hundred thousand people? Not in my world :shrug:

[Khaotic]

52. Not Going To Happen

As many have pointed out, this will not happen under a GOP House.

The Repugs will get more seats in '06, not less.

When putting Shrub's lies into the crosshairs, you can't really hold him accountable for what he said in his State of the Union.

The case for war was "officially" in the documents that went to Congress. We STILL haven't seen the play-by-play of exactly what those documents said. Even if we can hold the documents accountable, we can't hold Shrub accountable. He'll simply walk up to the gun scope and point it at the FBI or CIA for coming up w/ the info used in the documents that were given to Congress that made the case for War ... or I mean, conflict.

The administration is full of half-truths and so forth. The blantant lie is hard to find.

The REAL proof would be written direction from the White House to the CIA to manufacture information.

Do they have that?

If not, it remains a case of finger pointing.

I know about Downing Street and the intentions that it unearthed, but they probably need official orders from the White House to the CIA telling them to manufacture information. Not just intentions to make war happen.

I'm pretty pessemistic about this.

Personally I think these rats and snakes will slither around till Spring of '06 and then start their full scale attack. They'll play every patriotic card, pull out every string of rosary beads, and thousands of Americans will follow them like the pied piper leading the rats to the swimming hole.

The tune has worked before and sadly it will work again.

The Democratic Party will lose as many as 15 to 20 seats in the House in '06, 3 or 4 in the Senate, and 3 or 4 states with Dem governors will elect a Repug gov in '06 ... Iowa and Illinois will be in the mix to do just that.

Until the Dems kick out the DLC morons and take up a solid progressive agenda, I don't see the Dems proliferating. No guts, no glory. America lost.

Sad.

[Blue for Ohio]

61. Yikes!

That's a pessimistic outlook alright, Khaotic - and living in a heavily entrenched repub area of Ohio, I'm afraid I can believe what you're saying (although I'd much rather plug my ears and say "la la la, I can't hear you") :banghead:

I don't really know enough about the DLC...so I have no comment about them other than to say that something DEFINITELY needs to change because the corrupt repubs know only too well how to make folks believe THEIR evil point-of-views, and naturally that WILL get them the votes.

People (who fell for the lies last election) should be EAGER to switch their support to Dems - what with all the corruption that's spilling out of the repub leadership (in DC as well as in selective states - mine being one, of course). :eyes: But I don't see any mass conversion. Repubs are willing to give their corrupt leaders a pass and let it all go in one ear and right out the other. They're too devoted to hating liberal ideals and won't even consider helping to rid the country of it's corruptors.

Okay, maybe I'm wrong...but from where I'm sitting, that's kind of the way I see it.

Blue

[wellstone_democrat]

56. I want him in prison myself

impeachment would just be a bonus humiliation. I want him doing hard time for murder in this country (the Gulf states) and overseas.

hard time---not some damn country club facility.

[0007]

58. Absolutely! Send him and his crime cabal cronies to the Hague.

[anotherdrew]

66. Let him also serve his time in Iraq

[MellowOne]

57. If he's indicted in the Plame leak

Would that be grounds for impeachment?

[Tight_rope]

63. WTF? "By a margin of 50% to 44%"....

:wtf: Who the hell are the 44% who feel that lying and having many Americans loose their lives as well as thousands of Iraqis dead is worth lying over. :spank:

Fuck those 44%. May they rot in the same hell that Bushco will go.:argh: :nuke: :banghead:

[Truebrit71sbruv]

64. Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment...

... of what should happen to the 44% (or is that the 4400???), what I want to know is, what the hell other option the remaining 6% went for?

Should Bush be indicted for being a lying, conniving, murderous, xenophobic shit?

A) Yes
B) No
C) Can I get fries with that?

[Realityhack]

67. LOL

I wan't my war crimes trial supersized with a cheney on the side... and I would love some popcorn with that... is that an option?

[Truebrit71sbruv]

68. The Popcorn will flow like... hmmm... water...

... the day those buggers get theirs. And oh BOY, you will be able to hear the cheering 3000 miles away in Europe the day they go down....

[anotherdrew]

65. not just impeached - convicted. then the war-crimes proceedings can start

Being an ignorant arrogant pig-headed fool is not an excuse. Listing to bad advice is not an excuse. There is no excuse for bush. He also should be held accountable for abrogating treaties signed by the US, which can not be made without congress, so can not be undone without congress. Treaties with other nations are held by the constitution to be the highest law of the land, his unilateral test ban treaty abrogation in and of itself is cause for impeachment and conviction.