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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:35 PM
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VIDEO: US diplomats refuse to pay UK road tolls, $300,000 in fines
Diplomatic Immunity?

Published: 18 Oct 2005
By: Roz Upton

Can American diplomats really claim immunity from London's congestion charge?

It's probably not what America's founding fathers had in mind when they rebelled against an unfair tax to overthrow their British rulers.

Yet more than two hundred years later - US Embassy staff in London have declared the congestion charge an illegal tax under international law - and they're refusing to pay.


http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=967
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:36 PM
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1. US will claim that UN officials do the same here
and will shrug it off:(
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:40 PM
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3. Are there any American cities with "congestion charges" and zones?
We have toll roads and bridges. I've never heard of American congestion zone.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:43 PM
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5. It's a "spirit of things" issue
There are UN people who owe "brazilians" of dollars in unpaid fines & fees.. Helmes used to darned near explode about it :)
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:17 AM
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15. Boston should have banned all private vehicles downtown 25 years ago
..but the lobby is too strong from texas and detroit.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:37 PM
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2. Good god, that's an incredibly stupid and undiplomatic act. n/t
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:42 PM
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4. With these Bozos, what's new???
Does this mis-administration even care about diplomacy???
Silly me, they don't even know what diplomacy is !!!!
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:48 PM
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6. And since when do our UK diplomats get to tool around in Rolls Royces?
Our president only gets to ride in SUV's and Cadillacs.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:02 PM
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7. American officials are to "international law"...
...as Judith Miller is to journalism.

Anyone else care to play? :-)
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:41 PM
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8. "American officials are to "international law"..."
Edited on Tue Oct-18-05 05:41 PM by Massacure
... As Oedipus is to bringing the slayer of Laius to justice.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:52 PM
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9. "American officials are to "international law"...
what sulphuric acid is to The Mona Lisa.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:45 AM
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13. "American officials" are to "international law"...
... what Bush is to the Whitehouse.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:33 PM
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10. these people are UNSANE. every bush appointee has to go!
there is going to have to be so many people fired. I want every appointment and hire made during his tenure voided.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:06 PM
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11. Guess what? Tonight that's a real possibility
because Fitz says "no report," meaning indictments or nothing (see LBN for the details from the NYT). With 22 people indicted, some with 5 counts, it's going to be quite a clean sweep of the executive branch.
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oscarmitre Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:13 PM
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12. Depending on who they are in the Embassy
they may well be immune. The international agreements on diplomatic and consular immunity under the Vienna Conventions are usually reflected in the domestic legislation of the hosting nation (in this case the UK). It's up to the US (probably the State Department I think) to issue orders to comply.

Some years ago here in Australia a member of the US Embassy who was driving under the influence and killed a woman was held to be immune from prosecution and taken out of the country by the US Government who refused to waive his diplomatic immunity for prosecution.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:57 AM
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14. conforming to international law, or not - as it suits them.
typical RW behaviour to make up the rules as they go.
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Truebrit71sbruv Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:29 AM
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16. Much though I loathed the congestion charge...
... when I lived and worked in London, it did do a considerable amount to ease the log-jam that central London became on weekdays.

What actually makes me chuckle about this, is that as the Embassy is within the central zone, if the diplomats are registered at that address, they will only be paying less than half of what people driving into the city each day have to stump up.

But, let's face it people - given the behaviour of these nimrods all over the world, regardless of which country they come from - "diplomat" is about as big a misnomer as it is possible to come up with.
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