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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:07 PM
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Kristol: ‘Mood is Bleak’ at White House
GACK! I hate to link to this website, but ...

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/10/18/103745.shtml

Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, said he expects indictments this week in the CIA leak case involving White House advisers Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

Kristol said "the mood is bleak in the White House today,” and said the environment surrounding the federal grand jury testimony is "pretty grim.” Although the indictments may not ultimately result in anything substantive, Kristol said there is a pins-and-needles feel to the grand jury investigation into the leaking of a CIA agent's name to the media in 2003.

"The net has been cast wide,” Kristol told Fox News Tuesday. "Lots of junior aides have testified. It’s been a very comprehensive investigation by the prosecutor. I think there will be indictments and the mood is pretty bleak in the White House.”

...more...
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:09 PM
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1. He thinks it's bleak *now*....
:D
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
25. well maybe the next time he packs his bags and heads to Crawford
for another of his never ending vacations, he should just stay there.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:12 PM
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56. Makes you wanna call up the White House and just laugh at em


ha HA!
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #25
74. Maybe I'll send him a years subscription to the Iconoclast.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:50 PM
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96. Yeah - already BLEAK for the military, their families, poor & now middle
Edited on Tue Oct-18-05 10:52 PM by checks-n-balances
income families since the 2000 coup.

Walk a mile in the shoes of some of those folks, you neocons, THEN you'll know the meaning of BLEAK.

For them to be shakining in their boots doesn't begin to make up for the pain they have caused to good people in the U.S. and in the world. May their power & influence decrease exponentially ASAP.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #1
101. I Was Thinking The Exact Same Thing...
... am I in your head, or are you in mine?
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:09 PM
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2. So all those WH prayer meetings
were apparently for naught?
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Well Love,
There's always the Rapture.
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #3
37. Don't joke about that...
...the fool and the football are too close to each other...
...and God(or Jim Beam) may give him the inspiration to use it !!!
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #37
86. you sent chills up my spine........
but you are right, dead right....
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:11 AM
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106. We'll just smile as the tumbrels roll by, Mme Defarge...
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 03:16 AM by Hekate
... and perhaps you'll drop a stitch when -- well, you know -- each time the gavel falls. :evilgrin:

Welcome to DU!

Hekate


edited to add welcome
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:14 PM
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4. How many times do you think praying for a cover up would work?
From what I hear George gets direct messages from God.

Georgie.stop.
your whole administration is skee-roooed.stop.
get out while you can.stop.
Hugs and kisses, God.stop.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #4
40. ROFL!!!!!
:rofl:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #2
38. How ironic, no?
:smoke:
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #2
53. In the words of Lisa Simpson
"Prayer, the last refuge of the scoundrel". as she saw Bart praying for a snow day because he hadn't studied for a test....
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. In the words of Nelson Muntz
"HA HA!!!!"

:evilgrin:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:10 PM
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55. The Chimp has been praying to Jim Beam
Edited on Tue Oct-18-05 07:11 PM by goclark
that is the only prayer meeting that he attends.


How the conservatives can believe that he is a Christian is beyond me.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #55
71. i thought he was praying to jack daniels?
Edited on Tue Oct-18-05 08:11 PM by 48percenter
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #71
87. It was Jack ...
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #87
92. I think it was god. If he had listended to Jack... way back when...
we wouldn't be in this mess. It was god that told him to enter politics.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #2
98. Maybe GOD was listening and this is HER answer!
:spank:
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:15 PM
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5. Will it now be called the "Bleak House" instead of the White House?
Will court costs eat up all of Rove's estate?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:21 PM
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13. I'm going to continue calling it, "Al Gore's House" n/t
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Oh how I wish it were. What a different world it would be right now.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #13
114. ...or I'd settle for "The House of Kerry and Gore."
I saw clips from "Inside the Bubble" which is meant to discredit Kerry's campaign,and yet throughout the footage, I kept heart-felt saying, "That's STILL my Prez. What a guy!"
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
75. Surely they have all amassed untold fortunes by now.
Our Treasury is basically empty. If China stops buying our bonds and calls in the money , we are sunk.
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #75
123. Actually, that could never happen in a million years.
As much as I dislike this administration and all of the wasted budget dollars, there's no problem financing our debt. It might not be pretty, if it happens, but we've got plenty of resources at our disposal. (In an emergency.)
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #5
97. Nicely Dickensian, thanks. n/t
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:30 AM
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99. Maybe all their ill-gotten looting of our Treasury will now be eaten up by
all of their legal defenses....

How ironic....all their demonizing of "Trial Attorneys" and the Trial Attorneys may end up with the booty after all and the Roves, Cheney's etc - NADA...and an 8 x 11 concrete cell....
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:15 PM
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6. Only bleak because they are CAUGHT..not because of what they have done
bastards.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:15 PM
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7. No matter how much joy you feel, there is real danger here ...
a dejected White House is something we all take pleasure in, but I would like to point out that a dejected White House can very easily translate into a paralyzed government - and that is not good at all, considering the fact that our nation has real enemies (and even more since this gang of thugs took over).

If I were a military commander in North Korea or China, for example, I think I would think that this would be a pretty good time to do something I had been thinking about for some time. What do you folks think?
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:19 PM
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10. I think Bush paralyzed is safer than bush riding high.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #10
23. Indeed! tonight bush laying around the Oval w/Jim Beam
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #10
27. Remember that the Joint Chiefs were ordered to disregard orders
from Nixon just before he resigned.

A depressed president - especially a particularly stupid one - is likely to do anything. A Republican president is more likely as not to do something violent, because all Conservatives believe violence is definitive of "character." If Bush doesn't order an attack on Iran or Syria out of pique, he is likely to "discover" bird flu in some major city and put the nation under martial law, suspend the Constitution, etc.

I hope that if that happens some military people will recognize such a move as a threat against democracy itself. Of course, any step that a military officer might take in response has equal and profound dangers for this Republic.

Not to douse anyone's enthusiasm over these developments, but our country must come first. If things really are gloomy and paralyzed at 1600, then someone should be talking the chimp into resigning.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #27
52. Just the same, paralysis is an improvement over Bush in real power.
And there is no point in paralyzing the law in order to compensate for his potential poor judgment.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #52
103. When was he in power?
As far as I can tell, he's been the figurehead all along. Now, he's just the depressed and alcohol soaked figurehead. Not much of a change, just more facial tics. Like he didn't have plenty of those before.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:29 AM
Response to Reply #103
112. By "in power" I meant the administration was "in power" - certainly he
was only a figurehead. But the conclusion remains.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
61. I think Chimp will be more dangerous than ever. His minders are
distracted, and his mental status continues to deteriorate.
However Congress and the military might be less apt to follow
him off a cliff these days.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #61
78. The Democrats must IMMEDIATELY form a shadow government
we need an entire administration ready to step into place at a moments notice, or at least drive policy debate in our direction. The present administration is in total collapse and while a shadow government creates a real political advantage, it also signals to the rest of the world that there will be no power vacuum and that civilian control of the government - and direction of the military - will survive the destruction of the Bush administration.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #78
105. "Ready to step into power at a moment's notice"...?
Could you explain how that would happen even under a worst-case (for the current misadminstration) situation?

The most extreme scenario I could see would be indictments of Bush and Cheney. Even in the highly-unlikely situation where both were to take the hint and resign at once, that would simply make Hastert the new president, he'd pick a new Republican veep, and things would continue as usual.

Or, (to follow up with the worst-case scenario for us) Bush would go nuts and impose martial law. Were he to do so, the military would either a) go along (in which case, we're screwed) or b) resist. If they chose the latter path, you'd either get a military government "for the duration" :scared: , eventually returning power to civilians under their own terms, or they would "do the right thing" and immediately hand the power back over to civilian leaders, which would mean the Republican-controlled Congress. I see no way that the situation could ever play out leaving us with a Democratic administration in the near term.

The main political outcome of this situation would be a big boost for the Democrats in the next two election cycles. That could possibly lead to a Democratic majority in Congress starting in January of 2007, and a Democrat in the White House two years later. But anticipating that we are going to be able to regain power anytime before that is, IMHO, a fantasy. The best that we can hope for would be turmoil in the misadministration for the next fifteen months, followed by two years of gridlock between what's left of the misadminstration and a Democratic Congress for two years after that. Sorry, but anything else is just wishful thinking.

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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #105
117. My remark was an overstatement ...
You're right, of course. What I meant to say that in the event of a collapse of the Bush government, a Democratic administration-in-exile would be in a position to drive the policy and legislative debate, since the Republicans would have lost credibility and public support. But there will be only a short period of time between the collapse and the Republican re-assertion of control, so it is necessary to form a strong administration in waiting (everyone except a president and vice president) so that it can take immediate control through the interregnum.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #105
118. delete - accidental duplicate
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:04 AM by GarySeven
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #78
119. perhaps this is or has been in the works for awhile in prep for
Fitz GJ results--if it hasn't been in the works, it should be
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #10
54. perhaps, catatonic?
comatose?
to really save the nation from this horde of criminals,
in ICU on life support?
Note, I do not advocate pulling the plug. I would never suggest the untimely death of the president or his fellow traitors would be something I would seek. nor would I recommend others to seek it either.
I much prefer seeing them sweat and boil in the hot water of their own making.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #54
62. Agreed.
You don't want to make a martyr out of him.

-Laelth
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #62
79. not to mention that the SS would be after us.
or some new-fangled Homeland scrutiny group.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #62
113. I Don't Have A Problem With That (Martyrdom of Bush)
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 08:25 AM by Demeter
It would be a permanent solution, with a minor, temporary problem of misinformation (easily fixed in the absence of spin).
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #10
65. Me too
...much safer. However - the damage still does go on at every level of misadministration. Until the whole lot is cleaned out and we have had several years to begin to undo the damage there can be no true joy.

Meanwhile - the anticipation of the pleasures of potential justice served is delicious.

How are the freeps doing?
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #10
81. Here here!!!!....... I very much agree!!!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #7
26. Like provokin a depressed psycho who's eager fer a distraction, ya mean?
I wonder if anybody'd be that frickin stoopit ...
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #26
33. Yes, they would
because a United States fumbling for a response is a United States that can be tricked or forced into a non-response.

Japan knew that it could not defeat the United States in a Pacific war; they could only hope that the destruction of the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor would delay the American military victory long enough for them to consolidate their hold over Southeast Asia. They failed - but they very easily might not have.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #33
57. (1) Everybody knows (2) George loves diversions, (3) especially military

You can bet that if China has competant foreign policy advisors, they include specialists on politics inside the US. Those people will know that George's major technique has been diversion by yelling THREAT! followed by a great military show. I'm guessing that right now everybody's trying real hard not to SNEEZE within earshot of any rightwinger with ties to the administration.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #57
69. He likes to say "Ah'm uh War Prezdint"
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #57
70. "and its a hard, its a hard, its a hard, its a haaaaard....
Its a Haaaard rains a gonna fall......"

Your signature line is completely in tune with the goings on today.

Dylan Lover

:hi:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #7
47. I'm more worried about spiteful revenge.
Other countries can't hurt us nearly as much as have hurt ourselves.

Why should, why WOULD China or North Korea injure a nation suiciding? China, especially, is feeding off us. Soon they won't need us, but not yet. North Korea? Too hungry, too insular, too smart to do something that would give China an excuse to nuke them.

You follow Bush's mindset to worry about those things. Me? I worry about China and Venezuela becoming trading partners. They've inked two major trading pacts while George was screeching "terra! terra! terra!" I worry about better hospital care being found in Thailand than the United States. I worry about Canada being able to buy us in a few years, because they have a surplus, and we have debt. And hurricanes we can't afford.

A nuke would be the easy way out. BushCo is murdering us with slow poison.
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #7
50. The shrub is dangerous no matter where he is...
...or what his mental outlook may be at the time. Plus he HAS put fear into both friends and enemies. They have no idea what the fool would do...of course neither do we.

And I still say the football is too close...
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #50
100. He's even a danger to himself...
Remember the pretzels....the bicycles....

:eyes:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:06 AM
Response to Reply #7
111. What do i think? I think the Bush gang is the real enemy.
I'd be a good thing if they'd be paralized.
If China or NK would attack, no good would come of it anyway, whether the US govt is paralized or not. We've seen what great help this govt has been with the relatively small disasters of Katrina and Rita - and that was while the govt was not paralized.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:16 PM
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8. What I don't get is
Why doesn't W just put in a call to his buddy God, and ask him for a few judiciously aimed lightning bolts?

:shrug:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #8
45. And tell him :wtf: to do
next!
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:17 PM
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9. Wow
If Bill Kristol senses that others are bummed out then this is really gettin good.

I've never seen him say a negative thing about the * administration.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:19 PM
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11. Kristol trying to rehabilitate his reputation as an intellectual
after years of happily spewing partisan horseshit.

I hope he fails.
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #11
60. Ha! I love his style. He's Dick Cheney, Jr.
He completely dismisses whatever anyone else says and then commences to spew crap. A real intellectual.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #60
82. He is certainly pretending he never took part in the crime, eh?
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CelticWinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:19 PM
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12. billyboy has been a little down
all week long--wonder how low he will go
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #12
67. Hopefully into the bowels of hell with his other PNAC warmongering
buddies. Can you tell that I'm really fond of these people?
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:21 PM
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14. OKNancy: 'Mood is Bright" at My House
OKNancy, editor of The Weekly Nothing, said she expects indictments this week in the CIA leak case involving White House advisers Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

OKNancy said "the mood is fan-fuckin'-tastic today,” and said the environment surrounding the federal grand jury testimony is "pretty gosh darn good.” Although the indictments will probably result in something really substantive, OKNancy said there is a pins-and-needles feel all around her little OKNancy house.

"The net has been cast wide,” OKNancy told her hubby Tuesday. "Lots of junior aides have testified. It’s been a very comprehensive investigation by the prosecutor. I think there will be indictments and the mood is good tonight honey ( wink wink)"
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:23 PM
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16. .
:rofl:
:toast: Good one! :D
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:28 PM
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22. Excellent!
"Party on, Garth."
"Party on, Wayne."

;)
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:24 PM
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17. They think it's bleak now?
Wait until they get out of jail and they have to get jobs in telemarketing boiler rooms or behind the counter at Subway.

Just like the rest of us.

They can kiss their "best and brightest" self-world-view goodbye. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:26 PM
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18. Pray with me,Dick!! bleak now?! ain't seen nuthin yet
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:27 PM
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19. So, the mood is bleak huh
Good. My mood has been bleak since January 20, 2001.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:51 PM
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42. Amen to that.
Nice to know we can share the feeling with our fellow GOP'ers. Don't want them left out.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:27 AM
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107. More like 12/13/2000 for me...
...the day the Supreme Criminals awarded the White House to Chimpy. (Also the day my car got totalled -- you want to talk about "bleak moods?")

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:27 PM
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20. Kinda makes ya wanna callem up and say bright cheery things, don't it?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:27 PM
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21. On the third day if Fitzmas my true love gave to me....
The smart way to live is enjoy every single sock filler that comes your way. I'll treasure this one too, along with NYT being a joke, Delay and Frist....:bounce:
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:29 PM
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24. This breaks the "never tell the truth" rule.
Hello, I return again, the patron saint of paranoia.

All those PNAC bastards are Straussian doubletalkers. Aspens turning and all that horseshit.

So if I run this statement through the Dick Cheney secret decoder ring:

"The net has been cast wide,” Kristol told Fox News Tuesday. "Lots of junior aides have testified. It’s been a very comprehensive investigation by the prosecutor. I think there will be indictments and the mood is pretty bleak in the White House.”

I get:

The investigation has been contained. Nobody talked. Fitz was bought off. Nobody gets indicted. The President has switched from Jim Beam to Woodford Reserve.

Hey, I don't want to believe it. But I don't believe these people are capable of telling the truth, either.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:54 PM
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46. I agree: Too many "bleak" assessments leaking out of neocon camp
No indictments.

Bank it.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:37 PM
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28. Why? If they've done nothing wrong? They should be eager to all
come out fighting "ridiculous charges" just as Rove reportedly said he was. Until he apparently disappeared from public view after his last grand jury appearance...

Their mood should be outraged, not bleak! Jeez they're acting like they're guilty or something. Heh. ;)

"Although the indictments may not ultimately result in anything substantive.." Huh? Remember when perjury about a blow job was worthy of impeachment? Now even a minimum charge of perjury or obstruction of justice regarding the revealing of a CIA's NOC's cover is eh, no big deal?

No respect for the law, Billy. That's what's wrong with our country today. What we need is integrity and respect for the law back in the White House! And if any of these folks are involved charged convicted of a crime, lose on appeal and aren't pardoned they should be removed from the Administration immediately, right?

Jeez these crooks with their cronies, shills, enablers make me sick.

:puke:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:53 PM
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43. Interesting point: Rove disappearing from public view since last GJ visit.
Think he's hiding from Dick?
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:13 PM
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58. I'd like to think he's cutting his own deal with Fitz, but that may be too
much to hope for.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:08 PM
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91. In which case, he has to hide from Dick
and probably stay out of small planes, tall buildings and the woods.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:38 PM
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29. Gack? What kind of word is that? Love it!
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:38 PM
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30. This line cracks me up
"Although the indictments may not ultimately result in anything substantive ..."

Dream on, NewsMax!
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:53 PM
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44. Show me an insubstantial indictment, and I'll show you a neocon
who wishes he could rewind to the day before it was served to him.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:38 PM
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31. That's the best article Newsmax ever had!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:38 PM
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32. Kinda like this?
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:55 PM
Original message
Thats' dated 1005 10 17, no? It's in the address. Wow.
That photo's real.

I think I like it. I think I'll get what I asked for this year.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:40 PM
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34. Wait until they meet their new cellmates
They don't know from bleak yet!

But they WILL!

:evilgrin:
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:41 PM
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35. But wait--Karen Hughes claims everything is just fine....
and we know you can always believe a long-time enabler of Bush!
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:25 PM
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77. IA little time on a tough cell block might change Karen's
attitude a bit.She might like California's Chowchilla facility.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 09:31 PM
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89. Can we just leave her in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait and forget
she's there? She wasn't doing anything worthwhile anyway.
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:43 PM
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36. Break out the violins!!!
Why do I get the feeling Kristol and these others are expecting some kind of pity??

Fuck all of them. They stole this country and used it to settle scores and enrich themselves. They earned everything that is coming their way.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:46 PM
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39. Heard on MSNBC that there was no business or work going on
at the white house!!! The reporters no sumthin is up because the hustle and bustle wasn't taking place more like a shut down!!!
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:47 PM
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41. The mood has been bleak in the country for five years.
Finally, they get a taste of what bleak is like and to see what doom looks like on the horizon. Poor things.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:55 PM
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48. Grim? Grim is good. Bleak? Bleak is even better.
Me - I'm grateful and waiting for a Miracle on Fitzmas.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:58 PM
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49. Awwwww... poor widdle billy... My heart bleeds for him...
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boo-frickin'-Hoo. Cry me a river.

EAT IT, kristol. The main dish is chicken - come home to roost.

EAT IT ALL.

Humble pie being served for dessert.

They can wash it down with all the Jim Beam they can haul out from under bush's bed.

Or maybe, for a little pick-me-up, try Miz Laura's medicine cabinet. I'm sure there's plenty of Xanax and other feel-good, numb-you-out stuff in there. How else does the woman cope - especially now?
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:03 PM
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51. Normally I discredit anything that comes from Newsmax...
But in this case I think I'll be a believer!!! :)
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:44 PM
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63. too bad they own the courts.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:17 PM
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73. Dunno, olddad, indictments and trial could be pretty messy, even if
the courts don't uphold the law. Don't forget that the great majority of Americans despise this regime--amazing stats in the issue polls over the last two years (60% to 70% disagreement with every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic); 58% disapproval of the war BEFORE the invasion, and hardly waivering afterward (over 70% today); Bush approval numbers, never high, plummeting like the Titanic; and strong evidence that Americans voted these thieves and murderers out, but were foiled by Diebold and ES&S's SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code in the new electronic voting systems, owned and controlled by Bushite corporations.

So there isn't going to be a lot of sympathy for these traitors.

On the other hand, we'll likely see the war profiteering corporate news monopolies try to manufacture some and make it look like a lot, and start providing excuses and spin (they've already been doing that). Fitzgerald is looking at increasingly fascist-appointed courts, a Diebolded Bush "pod people" Congress which clearly doesn't give a crap what the American people want, and doesn't NEED to, and perps who have their hands on awesome powers, as well as visible and behind the scenes backers who control media and money.

I don't think it's so important what happens to the perps, as what happens to the country. As long as the perps and their nefarious deeds are exposed, that could be enough to set this country right again. The trouble is that the Cartel also has control of the election system--the very mechanism of potential change.

That's been my schtick since Day One of Part Two of this Coup (Nov. 2, 2004): We have GOT to get rid of these election theft machines! This must be our FIRST PRIORITY, at the state/local level, and at the federal level if they select a War Democrat in the interim (who might have to pay lip service to good government and transparent elections).

Into 'Boston Harbor' with them, I say! And if we can start restoring our right to vote, we can begin to deal with fascist-stacked courts and the news monopolies, and everything else.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:56 PM
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64. I think it's safe to presume that Bill Kristol is furthering some...
...propaganda line. So what could it be? My guess: The bleakness in the WH is fake; it's cover for what's really going, tidying up the details of all the deals to save Jr., and choosing a VP. Libby's going to take the fall for Cheney (do time). Cheney got his pardon long ago (pre-signed pardon, with blanks left to fill in assorted felonies), but, as "unindicted co-conspirator" will resign (to clear the way for the Cartel's next prez designee), and go to Halliburton Heaven (billions of unaccountable Katrina dollars, extorted by Cheney during Katrina, on threat of ratting on Jr.?). Rove and Miller sang on Libby, with Libby's go-ahead, once all these deals were in place. And if I read Libby's cryptographic paragraph to Miller right (and that's a big "if"), and if the paragraph is a genuine message to Miller, it seems to be saying that plans for the war on Iran and "biological threats" are going forward (and she should "come back to work--and life" to help propagandize them), because their people, purposes and capabilities are deeply "rooted" (and thus are "turning" together, coalescing).

Not a very happy outcome--that the War Machine and all the skulduggery and lies and death just go on and on, indictments or no indictments. Our bigger problem as a country. I hope I'm wrong about it. (But if Rice is made VP, you can figure Iran is next.)

It IS interesting that Cheney is the only one who hasn't been questioned by the Grand Jury. (Was Bush questioned? I'm not sure--but I can't imagine that the Cartel will let Bush go down.) My theory that Libby is taking the fall for Cheney is just a theory, a guess. And Rice as VP? She, too, may be indicted. (Anybody know what her relations with Powell are?)

As for the others (long list)--what a vipers' nest! Who knows? Hannah was nailed, and turned long ago, I gather, so he probably has immunity. Some of the others might get off with "unindicted co-conspirator" for telling what they know--the context of the WHIG, etc.

I'm disturbed by the absence of Rumsfeld from anybody's lists, because I have a hunch he may be guiltier than anybody. He's the one who put Miller in place in Iraq to "find" the WMDs that they all knew weren't there. In the WMD-planting theory of Treasongate, that is the key to it all. Treasongate is the coverup of a plot to plant WMDs in Iraq, for Miller to "find." It was discovered and foiled. And Plame and her WMD monitoring network were outed, so precipitously--in a panic--because of it, possibly on a tip from Blair to Bush, that David Kelly, the Brits WMD expert, knew about it, and/or helped with the foiling of it. Kelly was found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances, four days after Plame was outed; and, four days after that, after his computers were searched, the entire BJ network was outed.

This theory goes back to the Niger forgeries et al--a Bush Cartel setup to bait the CIA into public naysaying on Iraq nukes, then to descredit them when the planted nukes were "found," which went awry when the WMD-planting effort was discovered/foiled; thus the scramble to out Plame and BJ, putting so many top Bushites at risk of treason charges.

The connective tissue between the Plame and Kelly stories is Judith Miller, friend and colleague of Kelly's, to whom he sent his last email warning of the "many dark actors playing games." Same week. One outed. One dead. More outed. And Ms. Miller thickly involved in one, and her name turning up like a bad penny in the other. And who put her in Iraq to "hunt" for non-existent WMDs, with creds to accompany the troops and push them around? Donald Rumsfeld.

And then there's Bolton.

Well, we'll see what we see--and then we'd better get to work getting rid of those Diebold and ES&S election theft machines, don't you think? The root of all our ills.



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senaca Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:41 PM
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84. How does Ted Olson's firm defense of Matthew Cooper fit in?
This has puzzled me. As one of the defense atty's. does he have access to all GJ testimony? If so would the Bush adm. basically know what's coming down the pike as far as trial? I have to believe Fitzgerald has this figured in.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:59 PM
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66. yeah, and the bleaker it gets
the more likely we are to have a terror "threat". Beware of a bird flu "outbreak"...how much you wanna bet if we have one it happens in a blue state???? These people are dangerous and getting more cornered everyday...
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:19 PM
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76. Mais oui, mon ami!
Edited on Tue Oct-18-05 08:21 PM by WinkyDink
Why else would Bush have been hyping the avian flu angle?

After all, it's not as if he had any medical or pharmaceutical plans to offer; Just MARTIAL LAW.

Anthrax: Sooo 2001.
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:31 PM
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80. Rummy is probably chasing chickens in Asia as we speak.
Following instructions such as 'Take them to a big blue state immediately. We will declare martial law".
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 09:33 PM
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90. *'s approval rating has fallen to 42% even in Texas. I suspect
we could get the next "attack".
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:01 PM
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68. Kamakazee mission accomplished.
Edited on Tue Oct-18-05 08:02 PM by Gregorian
Out here, the mood has been more than bleak around the world, for 5 years now.

Glad you noticed. How could someone with such a pretty smile as Kritol's, be moody? Wow, he's Mr. Congenial. See him on Charley Rose all smiley, while those whose lives have been affected and afflicted by his PNAC policies die in gutters and hospitals with nothing but bare, blood spilled floors.

It's more than bleak out here. It's over, out here.
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:15 PM
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72. Muwaahaahaaahaaa! What is that word, something like sauerbraten?
Edited on Tue Oct-18-05 08:27 PM by Blue in Portland
It means delighting in someone else's misfortune. That's what I'm feeling thinking about Bleak (White) House.

on edit: schadenfreude. That's it.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:37 PM
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83. I am planning to WALLOW in schadenfreude if these indictments come down.
Does that make me a bad person? Will I go to hell?
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:58 PM
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85. no, but might take a lot of soap to wash it off after the wallow n/t
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 09:30 PM
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88. No it doesn't, and no you won't.
If there is a hell, it's full. Lucifer is holding space available for the BFEE and their ilk.

:evilgrin:
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:56 AM
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108. Merriam-Webster Online: schadenfreude
Main Entry: scha·den·freu·de
Pronunciation: 'shä-d&n-"froi-d&
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized
Etymology: German, from Schaden damage + Freude joy
: enjoyment obtained from the troubles of others

It's OUR TURN to feel this joy.
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:56 AM
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116. Thank you. What a great word.
Normally I'm a loving, caring, empathetic person, but the fall of this administration will be a delight to see.

Yep, it's our turn.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:20 PM
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93. Dom Perignon 1964 is in order....I can't wait to pop this cork
When Billy PNAC is bumming out, I get a nice, warm feeling. The mood at the White House may be bleek, but many of us can barely contain ourselves...

Chrismas may come early this year.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:48 PM
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94. kick
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:49 PM
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95. Kind of like the bleakness in the household of a dead U.S. soldier
or in the household of dead Iraqi civilians.

Good. They need to know how bleakness feels.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:03 AM
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104. Good call Hissyspit!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:16 AM
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109. That goes double for the likes of Mr. Kristol
and Richard Cohen at the Washington Post.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:52 AM
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102. Boohoohoo poor fucking babies.
The families of the dead that Bush murdered are in a bleak mood too.

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Polethebear Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:42 AM
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110. hee hee hee hee
"giggles"


I am sure he's sad about that.This is/will put a damper on his PNAC. How's things going there,billy???? Not too good, eh????
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Brooklyn Michael Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:53 AM
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115. AAAAHHHHH!!! NewsMax link!!!
Make it go away! Make it go awayyyyyyyyy!!!!!

:hide: :puke:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:04 PM
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120. That's strange, on another thread here Britt Hume says
they are laughing at the White House. Hmm, Maybe they are laughing and crying.:D ;(
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Alien8shon Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:58 PM
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121. And Maybe....
Brit Hume is a highly qualified Fox-GOP schill.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:08 PM
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122. Or just another in a long line of corpwhorate owned MSM prostitutes,
regardless of whichever CEO owns their soul.
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:20 PM
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124. Here's the ominous statement: " ' The White House has to ask....
‘How do we segregate this?'"

In other words, someone has to go to Bush and say, "There's a cancer growing on the presidency..."


And then, we need to ask, "What did Bush know and when did he know it?"

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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:49 PM
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125. The mood is giddy at my house!!!
Hey freeper lurkers, I have a solution for your misery, join us. Then the awful news becomes wonderful news!!!
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:17 PM
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126. It should be bleak considering all the bs they have done to the US
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Wrinkle_In_Time Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:26 PM
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127. And for the first time, the mood at the White House matches...
... that of the "reality-based" world that watches it.

As the mood of the White House continues to plummet (poor dears), the mood of the "reality based" world starts to climb. This is not Schadenfreude, this is satisfaction at nature's bungie-cord snapping back.
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:32 PM
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128. Well there are good times and noodle salad at my house.
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