Bush makes little headway on human rights, religion in China

[leftchick]

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/13219810.htm

BEIJING - President Bush was heading for home via Mongolia Monday morning with little to celebrate after a weeklong Asia trip that highlighted tensions with China.


Bush's scheduled four-hour layover in the Mongolian capital of Ulan Bator - the first visit to the country by a sitting U.S. president - followed talks in Beijing that failed to resolve differences between the United States and the world's most populous nation.


Bush prodded Chinese President Hu Jintao to give U.S. companies better access to China's huge markets, but got no firm commitments for action. He also failed to make any headway on human rights and religious freedom.


"Obviously, this is a long conversation and a long haul," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told reporters traveling with Bush. "It is not a system that is going to change overnight."


Despite their differences, the two presidents stressed their willingness to work together. Bush said his ability to speak frankly with Hu showed the strength of the U.S.-China relationship.

[Cha]

1. FARCE!

I call FARCE on bush trying to make headway on anything.

[pinto]

3. I agree. Haven't heard anything about results from talks either SA or Asia

and the Rice statement from China doesn't even qualify as news.

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[madrchsod]

4. the trip was a huge waste of our money

we`d been better off if he`d just went to the pig ranch. he didn`t get jack shit from anyone. they are all waiting for him to leave office and they`ll deal with the next corporate stooge that is selected for us

[Deja Q]

14. What else is new? The party of economic responsibility wants to destroy it

Though that would only ensue worldwide chaos, so I'm probably wrong.

[bluestateguy]

5. Just like his predecessor

In campaigns it's really easy to be a tough guy and talk tough with China and promise to treat them like an old-fashioned Cold War enemy. "Ooh, we're going to get tough with those Red Commie bastards and stand up for Taiwan!"

Well, not exactly.

Governing is something else, something different. And what we find here is that the Bush China policy is essentially the same as Clinton's, the real President Bush, Reagan and Carter.

[moondust]

6. They know he's not serious.

His corporate masters won't allow him to do anything that could jeopardize their slave labor market.

[Deja Q]

12. With an energy problem and product automation, that is no longer an issue.

Chinese and American working class people will still die long before the wealthy do.

[Danmel]

7. Ulan Bator means "Red Hero"

Think the boy king knows that?

[Deja Q]

13. And Bush's attmempt to "ulan bate" Hu didn't work very well either...

[DanCa]

8. What does Bush know about human rights and religion?

Absolutely nothing thats why he didn't make progress. :D

[Deja Q]

11. You cannot change a fascist's mind.

*co and his corporate friends will eventually learn that China is not by any means a friendly country and maybe there was a reason that, for the last 50 years, we've been raised to believe that fascism is wrong?

It's bizarre for anybody to try, nevermind Bush's attempt. And as we've seen, fascism loves the color RED...

[DanCa]

16. Is that why bush promised us a trip to mars the red planet.

[ladjf]

9. what a joke. The whole world knows that * is grandstanding

for his base at home. Can you imagine what is going through the minds of the Chinese diplomats and leaders while listening to Bush giving them advice about religion.

[Deja Q]

10. Shrubbypants and the corporate world need to know a few things:

about Bush prodded Chinese President Hu Jintao to give U.S. companies better access to China's huge markets, but got no firm commitments for action. He also failed to make any headway on human rights and religious freedom., that:

1. China is a fascist nation. They sure as hell won't open up on human rights issues. :dunce:

2. China is a fascist nation. They sure as hell won't open up on religious issues. :dunce: :dunce:

3. China is a fascist nation. They sure as hell won't give the United States any more access to their power base than absolutely necessary. (this is because China, for a fascist nation, was pretty damn bright when taking all of America's infrastructure and learning from it.) :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

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So who is the bigger enemy here? China? Or "corporamerica" (corporate America) for treating with the enemy for 30 years? Such activities being the most heinous and treasonous imaginable; next to giving the Soviets confidential nuclear missile information back in the late 1940s/early '50s...

Bush and his ilk have got to learn that their corporate buddies lack what it takes to BE politicians (nevermind trying to learn to be even-handed, fair, non-greedy traders). And our politicians, so badly bought out by the corporate lot, think that the whole world will bow down to them just because they have more money.

Money. Stuff that has no value except our faith in it. And our faith has been hammered away thanks to the whittling away OF America's infrastructure by THE VERY SAME PEOPLE doing the offshoring and offpeopling. Never mind the debt, which rises by leaps and bounds every day. The average American's debt is sad enough, but the National Debt is a true abomination. $8 TRILLION. And the "party of fiscal values" did jack shit to stop a man who had been spending recklessly for 4 years and voted him back in. (and yet Democrats still get lambasted as being reckless spenders... good grief. No more rhetoric, we the public deserve the whole truth. And that cannot be covered in rhetorical catchphrases.)

Also, Bush can't even speak impromptu with anybody. Also, when he says something we've learned that the related actions are the opposite. So when Bush says he can speak frankly with Hu on issues, I am worried he was unable to speak or said something that's going to hit us badly in return.

[gratuitous]

15. Oh yeah, Bush has got all kinds of credibility on these issues

I can't imagine why the Chinese didn't just turn their whole country over to President Firm and Resolute.

[Hekate]

17. And China should listen to Bush why? And what leverage do we have left?

On Bush's watch -- and with his enthusiastic encouragement -- the US has become a debtor nation. And China seems to be holding an awful lot of the paper on that debt. >clears throat<

Not that I think Bush should be going to them hat in hand, not at all; but prudence might dictate that we at least send a person who knows to whom they are speaking, and who understands that (given breaking news in the Washington Post) maybe we shouldn't be lecturing them on human rights just at the moment.

Because I get a terrible feeling that somewhere in China a cadre of government officials is laughing. At us.

Hekate

[lanlady]

18. China owns us

They don't have to listen.